Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

[citygirl]

fd motion to dismiss

You are the best!
Thank you.

 

[sds71]

'I Will Fight': Norm Pattis Is Standing by a Man Accused of Murder | Connecticut Law Tribune

Known for his blunt talk, fierce advocacy and controversial clients, New Haven attorney Norm Pattis is no stranger to infamy.
Fellow attorneys follow his cases. And love him or hate him, the firebrand is one of Connecticut’s best-known attorneys.
But among his clients: a man accused of murder, and one being sued for pushing a conspiracy theory about a mass shooting at an elementary school. The men are at once high-profile and unpopular figures: Alex Jones, who Sandy Hook families are suing for defamation, and Fotis Dulos, arrested this week on suspicion of murdering his missing wife, the mother of five children.
Pattis was in Austin, Texas, Friday to meet with Jones. But the lawyer says the press has bombarded him with questions about the Connecticut murder case. His client was charged Tuesday with the murder of his wife, Jennifer, who disappeared May 24.
Dulos posted a $6 million bond two days later.
Within hours, by Friday morning, Pattis said he fielded no less than 15 media calls, requesting interviews on Dulos. And he often obliges, saying he has a message for the media, law enforcement and the public.
“You have not seen the half of it [evidence],” the Pattis & Smith partner said. “We will win. We have a strong case.”
Prosecutors have also charged two other people with conspiracy to commit murder: Fotis Dulos’ former girlfriend, Michelle Troconis, and his friend, attorney Kent Mawhinney.
But Pattis argues the state arrested Dulos on circumstantial evidence.
“I will not stand idly by and see my client sacrificed and maligned,” he said. “I will fight fire with fire.”
His strategy moving forward: “master the evidence the state has, and to see whether it supports their theory and to develop alternative theories consistent with his innocence,” Pattis said.
In other words, focus on shifting suspicion, but raising arguments that someone other than her husband is responsible for Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance.
“If she is a victim of foul play, it’s at the hands of someone else,” Pattis said.
Richard Colangelo Jr., the state’s attorney for the Stamford/Norwalk Judicial District where the case will be tried, did not respond to a request for comment Friday.
Public eye
Meanwhile, Pattis said he’s “disappointed” with how prosecutors and law enforcement officials have handled the case.
“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”
What’s not good for the defense: the constant news coverage.
“There is a saying that there is never too much media publicity for an attorney. I’m not sure about that in this case,” Pattis said. “It’s been awkward and embarrassing.”
But despite the publicity, the attorney thinks Dulos can get a fair trial in Connecticut.
Picking a jury just might take a little longer, he said.
Until then, Pattis said he and his legal team speak to Dulos, who is now under house arrest, several times a day.
“I’ll see to it that he has a fair trial,” Pattis said. “It takes patience sometimes. My theory is you do not need jury consultants. But rather, when you look at a juror, do they listen and resonate and respond to you?”

 

[MsJosie]

When I was a Bank Manager (for several different banks in Connecticut) we scrutinized the endorsements on large checks, especially insurance checks and tax refund checks for the exact scenario that a couple could possibly be in the midst of a divorce. You are not supposed to accept “for deposit only” the checks should have both signature if the names were joined by AND and not OR. Not to say some tellers are lax about it. But if an issue arose down the road and an endorsement was missing they would be on the hook.

Come to think of it, when someone had a mortgage on their house, and an insurance check was issued for some type of damage claim (if this is what FDs checks were for) the check would be made out to BOTH spouses AND the bank holding the mortgage. The (mortgage holding) bank would have to endorse the check as well and depending on dollar amount and amount of mortgage held, might require they send out an inspector to the house to confirm the repairs on the house were complete and up to code.

Yes, that’s how it was when I worked in banking for many years.

I would bet FD put on the charm and asked for checks be deposited giving any number of reasons why Jennifer did not sign.

This happened where I worked a lot with well known customers.

If FD was well known at the bank, by name, sight, transactions, the bank may have “granted a favor” depositing, transferring and then withdrawing monies.

The bank may not have followed procedures but they did not know they were dealing with a murderer. I bet they are more careful, for awhile at least.

and for a side note....sometimes, if we called, say the insurance company, and said we had this large check deposited by one of our clients that the insurance company wrote out and only one person or none signed the check when deposited many many times the insurance company would just tell us to let the check go through. Sometimes we did have to have the customer come back and sign the check and reverse the deposit until the check was properly signed.

It depends on who you know, who you talk to, who the depositor is,..so many variables. Makes one wonder why there are rules if they are not followed.

 

[MsJosie]

When I was a Bank Manager (for several different banks in Connecticut) we scrutinized the endorsements on large checks, especially insurance checks and tax refund checks for the exact scenario that a couple could possibly be in the midst of a divorce. You are not supposed to accept “for deposit only” the checks should have both signature if the names were joined by AND and not OR. Not to say some tellers are lax about it. But if an issue arose down the road and an endorsement was missing they would be on the hook.

Come to think of it, when someone had a mortgage on their house, and an insurance check was issued for some type of damage claim (if this is what FDs checks were for) the check would be made out to BOTH spouses AND the bank holding the mortgage. The (mortgage holding) bank would have to endorse the check as well and depending on dollar amount and amount of mortgage held, might require they send out an inspector to the house to confirm the repairs on the house were complete and up to code.

Yes, that’s how it was when I worked in banking for many years.

I would bet FD put on the charm and asked for checks be deposited giving any number of reasons why Jennifer did not sign.

This happened where I worked a lot with well known customers.

If FD was well known at the bank, by name, sight, transactions, the bank may have “granted a favor” depositing, transferring and then withdrawing monies.

The bank may not have followed procedures but they did not know they were dealing with a murderer. I bet they are more careful, for awhile at least.

and for a side note....sometimes, if we called, say the insurance company, and said we had this large check deposited by one of our clients that the insurance company wrote out and only one person or none signed the check when deposited many many times the insurance company would just tell us to let the check go through. Sometimes we did have to have the customer come back and sign the check and reverse the deposit until the check was properly signed.

It depends on who you know, who you talk to, who the depositor is,..so many variables. Makes one wonder why there are rules if they are not followed.

 

[Alathea]

'I Will Fight': Norm Pattis Is Standing by a Man Accused of Murder | Connecticut Law Tribune

Known for his blunt talk, fierce advocacy and controversial clients, New Haven attorney Norm Pattis is no stranger to infamy.
Fellow attorneys follow his cases. And love him or hate him, the firebrand is one of Connecticut’s best-known attorneys.
But among his clients: a man accused of murder, and one being sued for pushing a conspiracy theory about a mass shooting at an elementary school. The men are at once high-profile and unpopular figures: Alex Jones, who Sandy Hook families are suing for defamation, and Fotis Dulos, arrested this week on suspicion of murdering his missing wife, the mother of five children.
Pattis was in Austin, Texas, Friday to meet with Jones. But the lawyer says the press has bombarded him with questions about the Connecticut murder case. His client was charged Tuesday with the murder of his wife, Jennifer, who disappeared May 24.
Dulos posted a $6 million bond two days later.
Within hours, by Friday morning, Pattis said he fielded no less than 15 media calls, requesting interviews on Dulos. And he often obliges, saying he has a message for the media, law enforcement and the public.
“You have not seen the half of it [evidence],” the Pattis & Smith partner said. “We will win. We have a strong case.”
Prosecutors have also charged two other people with conspiracy to commit murder: Fotis Dulos’ former girlfriend, Michelle Troconis, and his friend, attorney Kent Mawhinney.
But Pattis argues the state arrested Dulos on circumstantial evidence.
“I will not stand idly by and see my client sacrificed and maligned,” he said. “I will fight fire with fire.”
His strategy moving forward: “master the evidence the state has, and to see whether it supports their theory and to develop alternative theories consistent with his innocence,” Pattis said.
In other words, focus on shifting suspicion, but raising arguments that someone other than her husband is responsible for Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance.
“If she is a victim of foul play, it’s at the hands of someone else,” Pattis said.
Richard Colangelo Jr., the state’s attorney for the Stamford/Norwalk Judicial District where the case will be tried, did not respond to a request for comment Friday.
Public eye
Meanwhile, Pattis said he’s “disappointed” with how prosecutors and law enforcement officials have handled the case.
“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”
What’s not good for the defense: the constant news coverage.
“There is a saying that there is never too much media publicity for an attorney. I’m not sure about that in this case,” Pattis said. “It’s been awkward and embarrassing.”
But despite the publicity, the attorney thinks Dulos can get a fair trial in Connecticut.
Picking a jury just might take a little longer, he said.
Until then, Pattis said he and his legal team speak to Dulos, who is now under house arrest, several times a day.
“I’ll see to it that he has a fair trial,” Pattis said. “It takes patience sometimes. My theory is you do not need jury consultants. But rather, when you look at a juror, do they listen and resonate and respond to you?”

This reminds me:
DEAR ATTORNEYS:

With NP's bluster the other day to the news, he was disparaging the forensic expert who said there was enough blood loss to cause death.

NP added that he was going to have a talk with said forensic expert.

Since that forensic expert will likely be a witness, is it legal for NP to "have a chat" with him before the trial?

 

[LittleBitty]

When we first started discussing the possibility of dismemberment months ago, the topic of how long it would take came up. According to the internet, if you have an idea of what you are doing, it takes MUCH less time than you'd think. The average answer seemed to be under an hour, with twenty minutes being closer to the "skilled" answer.

From what I understand, FD has a background in tanning from childhood. I'd think it's a safe assumption that he might be able to dismember a human faster than the average bear.

I'm still not sure whether this is what happened, but it remains a viable option in my head.

After re-reading the AW3 of FoDU, you cannot discount dismemberment as a possibility. The number of bags in the Raptor seen on C4 camera, it appears as though only two were recovered from the AW3 but not necessarily. What disturbs me is the mentions of cut clothing and torn bags or multiple pieces of bags. That might lend itself to the idea that she was bagged and then dismembered. But again that's not proof of anything. Bags could have torn or ripped for other reasons but when I read about JD DNA that isn't referred to as BLS or bloodlike stain I started thinking more and more along those lines unfortunately as it being a real possibility.

 

[merrymary]

The banks I worked for stopped using those stamps many years ago so they would be liable for the endorsement.

I'm in Florida and it is used all the time. Our tellers are trained to ALWAYS compare payee(s) on checks to names on account. Don't get me wrong, a lazy teller could definitely let one get by.

 

[geevee]

I don’t think anything like that happened here. FD didn’t have a great deal of time, and it’s completely unnecessary to dismember someone if you are going to bury them (which is what I think he did).

That aside, it also would run the risk of leaving quite a bit of physical evidence behind. There’s a reasonable chance that such evidence would have been found.

With the benefit of more time, I also think FD would have come up with something slightly better than dumping evidence via that trash disposal escapade.

He was rushing.

I also think he buried her; I think he had a deal cooked up with his attorney friend (KM) that both their soon to be exes would disappear, and two graves were dug.

Since KM's wife did not disappear and the one grave was found, JFD is in the other one (imo). Can't think of another reason an attorney would place himself in the middle of all this, at their property when the deed was being accomplished with an alibi phone call for FD coming in, unless something was in it for him (help with his wife's disappearance/death).

Mooo

 

[Alethea]

It should happen. Why have a law if there are no teeth to it?

Because the two parties in a lawsuit will always disagree about if the other side has exactly complied with every clause in a discovery request or case management order. Mistakes happen everyday. Misunderstandings happen everyday. Judges cannot be expected to memorize every deadline in every order in every case and unilaterally punish parties they find to be non-compliant. That would leave them no time to actually do their jobs of interpreting what the law says. Have you ever read a case management order? What you guys are suggesting is impossible unless you'd like to hire about 100 judges for each judge currently on the bench. That's why parties are left to file motions for contempt or sanctions. That's how the system works.

 

[Alkali13]

MT is very fond of/familiar with knives.
She also imports dead animal skins for a "living."

I'm not certain if she also sells knives - anyone know?

I haven't heard of her selling knives personally.

Propensity for knives and handling dead animal skins =\= handling your BF's dead STBX wife's body IMO. Could she have done it? Absolutely! Do I personally think so? No.

I think her exclamation of, "I wasn't cleaning Jennifer," was actually truthful. I don't think she meant to phrase it that bluntly, but I think she was telling the truth that she was cleaning other incriminating evidence while someone ELSE took care of JD.

MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

'I Will Fight': Norm Pattis Is Standing by a Man Accused of Murder | Connecticut Law Tribune

Known for his blunt talk, fierce advocacy and controversial clients, New Haven attorney Norm Pattis is no stranger to infamy.
Fellow attorneys follow his cases. And love him or hate him, the firebrand is one of Connecticut’s best-known attorneys.
But among his clients: a man accused of murder, and one being sued for pushing a conspiracy theory about a mass shooting at an elementary school. The men are at once high-profile and unpopular figures: Alex Jones, who Sandy Hook families are suing for defamation, and Fotis Dulos, arrested this week on suspicion of murdering his missing wife, the mother of five children.
Pattis was in Austin, Texas, Friday to meet with Jones. But the lawyer says the press has bombarded him with questions about the Connecticut murder case. His client was charged Tuesday with the murder of his wife, Jennifer, who disappeared May 24.
Dulos posted a $6 million bond two days later.
Within hours, by Friday morning, Pattis said he fielded no less than 15 media calls, requesting interviews on Dulos. And he often obliges, saying he has a message for the media, law enforcement and the public.
“You have not seen the half of it [evidence],” the Pattis & Smith partner said. “We will win. We have a strong case.”
Prosecutors have also charged two other people with conspiracy to commit murder: Fotis Dulos’ former girlfriend, Michelle Troconis, and his friend, attorney Kent Mawhinney.
But Pattis argues the state arrested Dulos on circumstantial evidence.
“I will not stand idly by and see my client sacrificed and maligned,” he said. “I will fight fire with fire.”
His strategy moving forward: “master the evidence the state has, and to see whether it supports their theory and to develop alternative theories consistent with his innocence,” Pattis said.
In other words, focus on shifting suspicion, but raising arguments that someone other than her husband is responsible for Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance.
“If she is a victim of foul play, it’s at the hands of someone else,” Pattis said.
Richard Colangelo Jr., the state’s attorney for the Stamford/Norwalk Judicial District where the case will be tried, did not respond to a request for comment Friday.
Public eye
Meanwhile, Pattis said he’s “disappointed” with how prosecutors and law enforcement officials have handled the case.
“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”
What’s not good for the defense: the constant news coverage.
“There is a saying that there is never too much media publicity for an attorney. I’m not sure about that in this case,” Pattis said. “It’s been awkward and embarrassing.”
But despite the publicity, the attorney thinks Dulos can get a fair trial in Connecticut.
Picking a jury just might take a little longer, he said.
Until then, Pattis said he and his legal team speak to Dulos, who is now under house arrest, several times a day.
“I’ll see to it that he has a fair trial,” Pattis said. “It takes patience sometimes. My theory is you do not need jury consultants. But rather, when you look at a juror, do they listen and resonate and respond to you?”

Norm complaining about “too much publicity,” while going out of his way to generate publicity, is like stepping into a sauna and complaining that it’s hot.

 

[spaz1959]

I also think he buried her; I think he had a deal cooked up with his attorney friend (KM) that both their soon to be exes would disappear, and two graves were dug.

Since KM's wife did not disappear and the one grave was found, JFD is in the other one (imo). Can't think of another reason an attorney would place himself in the middle of all this, at their property when the deed was being accomplished with an alibi phone call for FD coming in, unless something was in it for him (help with his wife's disappearance/deareth).

Mooo

Respectfully, not all attorneys obey the law. Not all Doctors do no harm. Not all clergy members do not sin. You would think an educated person wouldn't make such awful decisions. Yet, here we are.

 

[VacationMode]

“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”

BBM

OH REALLY? These two are unbelievable.

 

[joypath]

That's Norm! And being questioned by him is an experience, not fun but infuriating. I testify about FACTS & science, try to educate the jury/court. Do not have a "dog in the fight"! IME, imo.

 

[MassGuy]

Respectfully, not all attorneys obey the law. Not all Doctors do no harm. Not all clergy members do not sin. You would think an educated person wouldn't make such awful decisions. Yet, here we are.

That’s true, but I still can’t believe that there wasn’t some sort of quid pro quo going on.

Even people who have devoted their entire lives to crime, wouldn’t necessarily be willing to put their freedom on the line for nothing in return.

 

[spaz1959]

“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”

BBM

OH REALLY? These two are unbelievable.

Interesting. Can GF use NP statements as proof that FD isn't out of money

 

[MassGuy]

“They locked on to Mr. Dulos from day one,” Pattis said. ”They changed their motive. First, it was about divorce, and now they are claiming he had a financial crisis. His financial situation is not as bad as people have suggested. It’s actually quite good.”

BBM

OH REALLY? These two are unbelievable.

Perfect! That means he shouldn’t have any issue paying off his creditors, to include Jennifer’s mom.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’m not looking for a discussion any further. And it’s not the murder I’m posting about but the legal proceedings.
You have your opinions, most of which I agree with. I have mine, and had I been the judge I would have put his behind in jail as long as it took to get ALL of the court orders complied with early on.
Like I said, when I’ve seen non-complying parties held in contempt, fined AND JAILED, it’s amazing how quickly things begin to move along to a resolution.

Thank you for your rational and common sense opinion. I agree. I’ve seen it in my own life.

 

[Jen3135]

Jen....you definitely threw in the wrench here. Did they only have one property in both of their names? You are correct - if there is a mortgage on the property - the check should have been made payable to the lien holder as well.

I am only aware of the one Farmington property held jointly, but I don’t really know for sure.

 

[Alkali13]

After re-reading the AW3 of FoDU, you cannot discount dismemberment as a possibility. The number of bags in the Raptor seen on C4 camera, it appears as though only two were recovered from the AW3 but not necessarily. What disturbs me is the mentions of cut clothing and torn bags or multiple pieces of bags. That might lend itself to the idea that she was bagged and then dismembered. But again that's not proof of anything. Bags could have torn or ripped for other reasons but when I read about JD DNA that isn't referred to as BLS or bloodlike stain I started thinking more and more along those lines unfortunately as it being a real possibility.

The cut shirt and bra still baffle me, especially since there is no mention of other articles of clothing, like pants.

Why cut off her clothing?

Being able to SEE the joints for dismemberment is one option, I guess. I haven't come up with any option that really makes sense to me.

If he buried her in an unmarked grave, why cut off her clothes? If he weighted her down in water, why cut off her clothes? If he dissolved her with chemicals, why cut off her clothes?

I feel like I'm missing something.

And yes, I'm aware the clothes could've been cut off in some sexual assault scenario, but I don't think FD had the time to really do much beyond the attack and cleanup, and I'm not convinced JFd left NC alive.