Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

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  • #881
So, buried her entire body. Maybe, but why can't they find her? It is curious that they don't appear to have looked for her too extensively, as if they know she can't be recovered. If she is buried, what about the location? They know his movements to the letter that day. I can't believe lawyer friend buried her, but maybe. Just thoughts.

I think he had a pre-dug grave, and immediately transported her to that location after arriving back at his vehicle.

As we know, he didn’t have his phone on him at the time, which would make it next to impossible to track him.

He could have buried her anywhere.
 
  • #882
I think he had a pre-dug grave, and immediately transported her to that location after arriving back at his vehicle.

As we know, he didn’t have his phone on him at the time, which would make it next to impossible to track him.

He could have buried her anywhere.

Yes, true, could be the case.
 
  • #883
Following Tuesday’s arrest of Foits Dulos for the murder of his wife Jennifer Farber Dulos, state Sen. Alex Bergstein, D-Greenwich, announced Friday plans for legislation intended to redefine how cases of domestic violence and abuse are handled Connecticut family court.
“Jennifer Dulos was my constituent,” said Bergstein, vice chair of the judiciary committee. “We stand here today seeking justice for Jennifer.”
With support from the Connecticut Protective Moms, an advocacy group, Bergstein explained the key points of the proposed “Child Safety First Bill" at a news conference in New Haven. The Connecticut Protective Moms support mothers who are in the midst of divorce proceedings.
The bill seeks to expand the statutory definition of domestic violence or abuse to account for a person’s history of “coercive, controlling behavior.” Among physical violence or sexual assault, coercive behaviors include financial, emotional, and psychological abuse.
The bill would also make abuse “the first factor assessed by the court” in determining custody and the “best interests of the child.”
Evan Stark, who authored the book on coercive control, explained how abusers maintain control over a partner not only through violence, but through threats to take away or harm their children. The United Kingdom passed laws based on Stark’s work in 2015.
“The fundamental principle about which all of us are concerned is that people should have equal rights to liberty, equality, and dignity. That’s what’s on the table, for children as well as women,” he said Friday.
when courts give custody of the children to a parent who has committed domestic violence, Stark said it “puts the children into indentured servitude, taking away their rights to liberty and dignity.”
A recent study conducted by domestic violence expert Joan S. Meyer at Georgetown found through an analysis of 2000 cases that “courts are skeptical of mothers’ claims of abuse by fathers [and] this skepticism is greatest when mothers claim child abuse.” Such claims of abuse may hurt the mother’s chances of gaining custody of her own children.
As a result, advocates for the bill said parents may be forced to share custody with an abuser while enduring years in family court to finalize a divorce. Farber Dulos’ own divorce case stretched on for two years. In court transcripts, she said her husband "expects to exhibit complete control over me and the children.”
Dulos, through his lawyer Norm Pattis, has denied any involvement in the disappearance or death of Jennifer Farber Dulos. Pattis called it a “tragic mystery,” and accused Bergstein of “crisis-mongering.”
Hysteria is not a sound basis for public policy,” he said.
“This is a crisis. Domestic abuse and violence has been a crisis forever,” responded Bergstein. "And I would say that anybody who uses the word hysteria in the context of speaking about a women is attacking the credibility of all women.”
The Dulos divorce case had hundreds of motions filed in family court over a number of years, said Bergstein.
“Such cases are often labeled as ‘high-conflict,’ but that is a misnomer," she said. "These cases are often the result of abusers weaponizing the legal system to harass, intimidate, and destroy the person who dared to leave.”

Pointing to Dulos case, state Sen. Alex Bergstein announces new legislation to reform family court
IMO such an important step forward in CT. Will see if the Judiciary Committee has the will to push this initiative forward.

ON THE OTHER HAND, seeing ongoing comments from Atty. P. today on a topic that I believe he chooses to have zero understanding of or appreciation of is disheartening to say the least. But I guess misogynist dinosaurs who only seem to berate FEMALE reporters for doing their jobs will simply never get this dialog about DV and the CT Judiciary.

It was encouraging today to see a CT State Senator with an expansive understanding of DV and how it tragically touched the life of JFd for such a long as well as impacting her 5 children greatly IMO.

Dulos, through his lawyer Norm Pattis, has denied any involvement in the disappearance or death of Jennifer Farber Dulos. Pattis called it a “tragic mystery,” and accused Bergstein of “crisis-mongering.” Hysteria is not a sound basis for public policy,” he said.

To memorialise what I believe to be the profound ignorance of Atty. P. on the topic of DV, all references going forward by me about Atty. P., Pattis and Pattisville will be only in the color purple.


Atty. P. today IMO had the opportunity to step away from his Dulos case narrative and address a serious issue that impacts so many families in the State of CT. But Atty. P. wasn't able to accomplish this very simple task and instead yet again made it all about him and his client while denigrating the efforts of State Senator Bergstein. I do very much wonder if Atty. P. realises the extent of the DV endured over many years by JFd? I'm not sure he either knows or cares as he sees his mission as always defending his client at all costs. It will all eventually come out at trial and Fd will be branded as the serial abuser which he is and always has been and the jury will have no issues IMO seeing clearly the DV cycle at play in the Dulos relationship and family dynamic.

Sadly Atty. P.'s comments today on the issue of DV were very closely aligned with his prior comments regarding longtime DV victim KM STBX where he accused her of seeking her '15 min of fame' after she endured a court hearing regarding her encounter with Fd and ongoing abuse at the hands of her STBX, KM and where her Judge denied her request for a protective order.

Sadly IMO, Atty P./Pattisville simply doesn't want to get what families and children endure when DV is involved. Its sad IMO that in the year 2020 that so called educated professionals (term used quite loosely here in the description of Atty. P.!) such as Atty. P. revert to usage of words such as 'hysteria' when referring to the efforts of a State Senator who is making an effort to move dialog forward in CT on the topic of DV.

The comments today from Atty. P. were IMO moronic and tone deaf at a minimum, to say nothing of being disappointing to hear from a Member of the CT Bar. Why not simply stay silent?

MOO
 
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  • #884
The creep let him read - he is not the GQ dude he thinks he is. We all see thru him and his inside ugliness shines thru to his outside appearance, just repulsive to look at and better still he is so low class, with a low class girlfriend not the upper crust he was trying for, far from it. Enjoy house arrest jail time will be painful.
Say What? Pepe Le Pew might be reading this here?
OK.....Just a Gigolo, a tiny Gigolo, w/ short legs and high heel boots. That's my Gigolo.
 
  • #885
I also can't believe this dual wife murdering scheme. It's too ridiculous. imo.

It proves to me that I really don't understand folks well. If someone had told me this scheme, I'd laugh and say that's stupid. No way would someone think they could get away with this. You do realize you'd be the #1 suspect, that there are cameras all over the place, you have way too many people involved. I will give him a little bit of credit and that's that they haven't found JD's body. He did a good job of hiding her. I hope that piece is solved shortly.
 
  • #886
But we don't really know that he is involved. I think it's possible that the defense will use lawyer friend Kent to simply create doubt for the jury. That's all they need.

I do find the concussion and fall and phone going missing on the 25th to be important and odd. I also can't believe this dual wife murdering scheme. It's too ridiculous. imo.
The defense can point to KM all they want.

We know FD was there at the time of the murder, as the evidence is overwhelming.

We know the vehicle he used, his mode of transportation (bicycle), his DNA is there, he dumped evidence containing Jennifer’s DNA, bicycle parts, and his own DNA.

Pointing at KM doesn’t negate all the evidence that shows FD did this.
 
  • #887
This is a good question. That's something you lose when you take a suspect's phone: their ping history.

I hope he was surveilled starting immediately on the night of the 26th, but I highly doubt that happened. I assume they began to tail him at some point.
 
  • #888
Can he get any traction with this? Not familiar with lack of Grand Jury violating Fifth Amendment rights - is this a Pattis attempt at more "foolery" as someone said earlier. Love that word - foolery!
i thought that was federal charges and not blanket law for states although some require it. i would guess if CT did it would have been done. but i'm not a lawyer it's just layman MOO.
 
  • #889
The defense can point to KM all they want.

We know FD was there at the time of the murder, as the evidence is overwhelming.

We know the vehicle he used, his mode of transportation (bicycle), his DNA is there, he dumped evidence containing Jennifer’s DNA, bicycle parts, and his own DNA.

Pointing at KM doesn’t negate all the evidence that shows FD did this.


I know, but it does plant doubt in some dumb jurors head. That's all it takes.. Sadly.
 
  • #890
I know, but it does plant doubt in some dumb jurors head. That's all it takes.. Sadly.
Fortunately, that only means round 2, as opposed to FD walking. I think this case is strong, and will likely get stronger (when and if one of his accomplices flips).
 
  • #891
The defense can point to KM all they want.

We know FD was there at the time of the murder, as the evidence is overwhelming.

We know the vehicle he used, his mode of transportation (bicycle), his DNA is there, he dumped evidence containing Jennifer’s DNA, bicycle parts, and his own DNA.

Pointing at KM doesn’t negate all the evidence that shows FD did this.

I'm just wondering if they may have brought Kent into this for that purpose, to create doubt, know what I mean? The story about Kent telling Michelle to answer the phone seems like a lie to me. (among other things)


IMO
 
  • #892
Fortunately, that only means round 2, as opposed to FD walking. I think this case is strong, and will likely get stronger (when and if one of his accomplices flips).

I hope that happens.
 
  • #893
I haven't read any pro FD but I might have missed them. The only one I know of is mine where I was pro-process. Not pro-FD. In other words, NP is doing his job, love him or hate him, and bail is not meant as punishment. The sentence is meant for that. I do wish more on WS would keep both these points in mind.
Too bad NP can’t do his “job” in a more professional and ethical way without having to lie and degrade the victim and say untrue hurtful things about GF. MOO
 
  • #894
Any bets on how long it takes before Fd violates the conditions of his bail, and goes where he shouldn’t, without permission?
 
  • #895
"Why Cut Off Her Clothes?"
Very few murders include cutting off clothes,
that I could find, except here's one- Serial Killer
Danny Rolling killed and bound several victims,
cut off their clothes before sexually assaulting
their dead bodies. He always bound their hands.
133 - Made of Crystals
I've seen some posters say he didn't have time to do any of that. I disagree. FD was at WL for 2 hours and 20 minutes. Plenty of time to terrorize her. 15 or 20 minutes worth for sure. This was no heat of the moment killing. It was pure pent-up rage. Imagine waking up in the morning and traveling say 70 minutes or so with the intent of killing someone. No immediate provocation. He is as nasty as I know he is. I can't imagine any scenario, given the facts here, where there was NOT brutal verbal taunting, torture and degradation. He wanted her to be terrorized before she died. I feel it in my bones and I have felt that for many months.
 
  • #896
But we don't really know that he is involved. I think it's possible that the defense will use lawyer friend Kent to simply create doubt for the jury. That's all they need.

I do find the concussion and fall and phone going missing on the 25th to be important and odd. I also can't believe this dual wife murdering scheme. It's too ridiculous. imo.
Actually the concussion and fall discussion from KM in AW3, having followed his antics for quite awhile now was probably the most believable aspect of his testimony detailed in AW3!

KM has a long and well documented alcohol abuse issue (refer to the Court documents on his thread here on WS).

I'm not sure if you have ever seen a 'fall down' drunken episode? Or, maybe heard the terms 'blackout drunk'? I can absolutely picture a KM drunken binge where he didn't know where he was, what he was doing and simply fell down a flight of steps in his own house and woke up in a pool of vomit and urine.

Final stage alchoholic's IMO experience blackouts and all kinds of physical falls and accidents and to me the description by KM of his fall and concussion made perfect sense. Little else KM said in AW3 made much sense but the fall and accident did make some sense but I'm sure States Atty Colangelo is hard at work on figuring out the enigma that is KM!

MOO
 
  • #897
Something I just thought of.

They haven't found JFd. The safest option of disposal would've been the window between JFd's phone reaching Lapham and the Tacoma being spotted. With all of the surveillance they received though, shouldn't they have an idea of viable places the Tacoma DIDN'T go in that timeframe? Wouldn't it be possible to create a process-of-elimination style map of the area based on time and surveillance of where FD could've possibly gone?

The only reason I question this timeframe as being when JFd was hidden is the huge chunk of time spent at 80MS later on the 24th. There are chunks of time missing in that narrative as well, plus they spent HOURS there "cleaning" before going on the trash/Starbucks run. What were they doing for that entire time if nothing nefarious happened at 80MS beyond bagging up evidence?
 
  • #898
Too bad NP can’t do his “job” in a more professional and ethical way without having to lie and degrade the victim and say untrue hurtful things about GF. MOO

I kind of feel like poor Jennifer doesn't have a proper advocate as her mother has to be overwhelmed with the task of protecting the children, and is 85 years old. Not to negate the efforts of her family, as I can only imaging what they must be living through.

I just see good old boy Fotis, laughing and smiling with law enforcement and my blood boils. This crime is so 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 foul and yet he is out on bail. For shame! This man should never have had the option of bail, and I do think money and the fact that he is attractive, white etc is why he is out.
 
  • #899
I don't recall seeing it in his AW: We have no electronic evidence of KM's movements on the 24th, do we? At least that's been made public?
 
  • #900
Actually the concussion and fall discussion from KM in AW3, having followed his antics for quite awhile now was probably the most believable aspect of his testimony detailed in AW3!

KM has a long and well documented alcohol abuse issue (refer to the Court documents on his thread here on WS).

I'm not sure if you have ever seen a 'fall down' drunken episode? Or, maybe heard the terms 'blackout drunk'? I can absolutely picture a KM drunken binge where he didn't know where he was, what he was doing and simply fell down a flight of steps in his own house and woke up in a pool of vomit and urine.

Final stage alchoholic's IMO experience blackouts and all kinds of physical falls and accidents and to me the description by KM of his fall and concussion made perfect sense. Little else KM said in AW3 made much sense but the fall and accident did make some sense but I'm sure States Atty Colangelo is hard at work on figuring out the enigma that is KM!

MOO

Yes, true. Maybe he is telling the truth about that. I do think he may just be a pawn that Michelle and Fotis are using to cast doubt. IMO
 
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