Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

[LovesPeace2]

I've seen some posters say he didn't have time to do any of that. I disagree. FD was at WL for 2 hours and 20 minutes. Plenty of time to terrorize her. 15 or 20 minutes worth for sure. This was no heat of the moment killing. It was pure pent-up rage. Imagine waking up in the morning and traveling say 70 minutes or so with the intent of killing someone. No immediate provocation. He is as nasty as I know he is. I can't imagine any scenario, given the facts here, where there was NOT brutal verbal taunting, torture and degradation. He wanted her to be terrorized before she died. I feel it in my bones and I have felt that for many months.

I’m thinking after the first assault that left her blood in garage that he moved her and her torture and death was elsewhere I think mt was involved in that part with him just moo

 

[Alkali13]

I hope he was surveilled starting immediately on the night of the 26th, but I highly doubt that happened. I assume they began to tail him at some point.

I believe they took his phone on the 25th when he handed it to them in the presence of his then lawyer.

 

[MsJosie]

IMO such an important step forward in CT. Will see if the Judiciary Committee has the will to push this initiative forward.

ON THE OTHER HAND, seeing ongoing comments from Atty. P. today on a topic that I believe he chooses to have zero understanding of or appreciation of is disheartening to say the least. But I guess misogynist dinosaurs who only seem to berate FEMALE reporters for doing their jobs will simply never get this dialog about DV and the CT Judiciary.

It was encouraging today to see a CT State Senator with an expansive understanding of DV and how it tragically touched the life of JFd for such a long as well as impacting her 5 children greatly IMO.

Dulos, through his lawyer Norm Pattis, has denied any involvement in the disappearance or death of Jennifer Farber Dulos. Pattis called it a “tragic mystery,” and accused Bergstein of “crisis-mongering.” Hysteria is not a sound basis for public policy,” he said.

To memorialise what I believe to be the profound ignorance of Atty. P. on the topic of DV, all references going forward by me about Atty. P., Pattis and Pattisville will be only in the color purple.

Atty. P. today IMO had the opportunity to step away from his Dulos case narrative and address a serious issue that impacts so many families in the State of CT. But Atty. P. wasn't able to accomplish this very simple task and instead yet again made it all about him and his client while denigrating the efforts of State Senator Bergstein. I do very much wonder if Atty. P. realises the extent of the DV endured over many years by JFd? I'm not sure he either knows or cares as he sees his mission as always defending his client at all costs. It will all eventually come out at trial and Fd will be branded as the serial abuser which he is and always has been and the jury will have no issues IMO seeing clearly the DV cycle at play in the Dulos relationship and family dynamic.

Sadly Atty. P.'s comments today on the issue of DV were very closely aligned with his prior comments regarding longtime DV victim KM STBX where he accused her of seeking her '15 min of fame' after she endured a court hearing regarding her encounter with Fd and ongoing abuse at the hands of her STBX, KM and where her Judge denied her request for a protective order.

Sadly IMO, Atty P./Pattisville simply doesn't want to get what families and children endure when DV is involved. Its sad IMO that in the year 2020 that so called educated professionals (term used quite loosely here in the description of Atty. P.!) such as Atty. P. revert to usage of words such as 'hysteria' when referring to the efforts of a State Senator who is making an effort to move dialog forward in CT on the topic of DV.


The comments today from Atty. P. were IMO moronic and tone deaf at a minimum, to say nothing of being disappointing to hear from a Member of the CT Bar. Why not simply stay silent?

MOO

BRAVO! Thank you for saying what I feel.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

Any bets on how long it takes before Fd violates the conditions of his bail, and goes where he shouldn’t, without permission?

Not soon enough. Watch them NOT put him in jail when he does!!

 

[Alkali13]

Any bets on how long it takes before Fd violates the conditions of his bail, and goes where he shouldn’t, without permission?

Is he allowed in his yard? Because if not, I take tomorrow when it's an unseasonably warm 60 degrees for 200, please.

 

[Tink56]

I believe they took his phone on the 25th when he handed it to them in the presence of his then lawyer.

And, he later blithely replied on during his first (?) television interview he wanted the police to have his phone. That gesture, according to Fd was his help in finding his wife. Of course, "he was cooperating with the police."

Don't know if he forgot about his nightmare trash dump on Albany Avenue, or he assumed-incorrectly-there would be no record of it. He did leave his phone at 4JX during his morning adventure.

 

[Daisyeve]

IMO MT absolutely was involved in any dismemberment.

MOO MT and FD most likely enjoyed this last cruelty because they are fueled by hate and revenge.

 

[Tink56]

I don't recall seeing it in his AW: We have no electronic evidence of KM's movements on the 24th, do we? At least that's been made public?

LE have KM's phone at 4JX on the morning of the 24th....From 7:?? to about 8:?? The times are in the warrant in KM section.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

And, he later blithely replied on during his first (?) television interview he wanted the police to have his phone. That gesture, according to Fd was his help in finding his wife. Of course, "he was cooperating with the police."

Don't know if he forgot about his nightmare trash dump on Albany Avenue, or he assumed-incorrectly-there would be no record of it. He did leave his phone at 4JX during his morning adventure.

Wouldn't he have used a burner phone though? At least at some point? Surely, there has to be proof of him purchasing one. Video from a convenience store or internet or something. IMO

 

[geevee]

But we don't really know that he is involved. I think it's possible that the defense will use lawyer friend Kent to simply create doubt for the jury. That's all they need.

I do find the concussion and fall and phone going missing on the 25th to be important and odd. I also can't believe this dual wife murdering scheme. It's too ridiculous. imo.

It certainly sounds ridiculous that 2 people associated with one another, both involved in rancorous separations/divorce, both have spouses go missing, and think no one would make a connection.

But FD obviously thought no one was going to suspect him of disappearing his wife (while in the middle of a divorce), at least not to the extent of conviction. So maybe the scheme isn't all that out there to him (or KM).

LE (imo) surely has much more evidence of KM's involvement and only gave the least amount of details in the arrest affidavit.

 

[BellaVita]

Something I just thought of.

They haven't found JFd. The safest option of disposal would've been the window between JFd's phone reaching Lapham and the Tacoma being spotted. With all of the surveillance they received though, shouldn't they have an idea of viable places the Tacoma DIDN'T go in that timeframe? Wouldn't it be possible to create a process-of-elimination style map of the area based on time and surveillance of where FD could've possibly gone?

The only reason I question this timeframe as being when JFd was hidden is the huge chunk of time spent at 80MS later on the 24th. There are chunks of time missing in that narrative as well, plus they spent HOURS there "cleaning" before going on the trash/Starbucks run. What were they doing for that entire time if nothing nefarious happened at 80MS beyond bagging up evidence?

I have wondered if JD never made it into the Tacoma. Because of that lapse in time, I have thought that she possibly was disposed of before reaching Waveny Park. I'm not familiar with the area but I've looked at maps. It seems possible. It just seems awful risky to transfer a body there. But then, it was ALL risky. But then, FD would also have had to transfer all those garbage bags. MOO.

 

[afitzy]

I haven't heard of her selling knives personally.

Propensity for knives and handling dead animal skins =\= handling your BF's dead STBX wife's body IMO. Could she have done it? Absolutely! Do I personally think so? No.

I think her exclamation of, "I wasn't cleaning Jennifer," was actually truthful. I don't think she meant to phrase it that bluntly, but I think she was telling the truth that she was cleaning other incriminating evidence while someone ELSE took care of JD.

MOO.

True, perhaps MT wasn't "cleaning Jennifer" at that point in time BUT what if at 80 MS she had a very active role in what might have been done to dismember or dispose of her body (if that was where the body ended up after leaving NC)?

What if Fd simply couldn't undertake to break down the body of JFd by himself? Do I think MT would have stepped in and given assistance? Absolutely. I truly believe the hate that MT and Fd had towards JFd propelled them to do things in this crime that were horrific as well as unimaginable and I also believe that neither one lost a moments sleep over the entire experience at all (even though they both IMO looked a bit strung out in their AW1 mug shots in June!).

IMO there remain large blocks of time in both the Fd and MT personal timelines that I'm not sure AW3 gives us much more visibility into where the body of JFd ended up or what might have been done to it (AW3 refers to the possible outline of a bike in the Tacoma bed but doesn't mention a body in bed of the truck or in the passenger seat of the Tacoma!). Beyond searching Waveny Park in NC, the Stubridge property and the former Farber house in Pound Ridge, we aren't yet aware of what other locations were searched in/around NC. It seems tased on MSM that much more time was spent doing physical searches in/around Farmington and the 17 long days spent at MIRA. Will be curious to see the search warrants once they are unsealed.

AW3 does explain that there was a period of time while on Albany Avenue (think its 7 min or so) where the activity was not captured on Hartford CCTV. Was this the timeframe for Fd/MT disposal of JFd remains? I do wonder whether private CCTV in the neighbourhood or possibly the findings from MIRA will tell the story here about those missing minutes on Albany and what might have happened.

As others have pointed out, the searching for JFd in this case has been strange to watch as it covered a large territory (from NC to Hartford to Pound Ridge), covered woods, reservoirs, lakes and fields. But, still the body of JFd hasn't been found. Does this case need the body? I don't believe so as the circumstantial case is compelling and looks strong. But for the sake of the children and family I do hope that some kind of closure on this issue can eventually be achieved.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 121463]

Something I just thought of.

They haven't found JFd. The safest option of disposal would've been the window between JFd's phone reaching Lapham and the Tacoma being spotted. With all of the surveillance they received though, shouldn't they have an idea of viable places the Tacoma DIDN'T go in that timeframe? Wouldn't it be possible to create a process-of-elimination style map of the area based on time and surveillance of where FD could've possibly gone?

The only reason I question this timeframe as being when JFd was hidden is the huge chunk of time spent at 80MS later on the 24th. There are chunks of time missing in that narrative as well, plus they spent HOURS there "cleaning" before going on the trash/Starbucks run. What were they doing for that entire time if nothing nefarious happened at 80MS beyond bagging up evidence?

Yes, I think 80 Mountain was where she may have been further victimized, sadly.

 

[afitzy]

I’m now wondering if perhaps FD had on one of the panchos under his hoodie when he was peddling his vintage Mercier Childhood bike made in France to his estranged wife’s house to ambush, kidnap and murder her.

Yes @LittleBitty, I'd always wondered if he wore one of his waterski full body wet suits on the missing date for the murder?

Putting a plastic layer under a suit might make some sense and might also have been the reason we saw him totally 'shaved down' around the time of the JFd initial disappearance as wearing the suit with a lot of body hair would not have been comfortable.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 121463]

I've seen some posters say he didn't have time to do any of that. I disagree. FD was at WL for 2 hours and 20 minutes. Plenty of time to terrorize her. 15 or 20 minutes worth for sure. This was no heat of the moment killing. It was pure pent-up rage. Imagine waking up in the morning and traveling say 70 minutes or so with the intent of killing someone. No immediate provocation. He is as nasty as I know he is. I can't imagine any scenario, given the facts here, where there was NOT brutal verbal taunting, torture and degradation. He wanted her to be terrorized before she died. I feel it in my bones and I have felt that for many months.

Totally agree. I have always felt this way too. He and Michelle were seething with anger.

 

[afitzy]

I don't recall seeing it in his AW: We have no electronic evidence of KM's movements on the 24th, do we? At least that's been made public?

Not from AW3 IMO.

 

[RoosterRock]

The bicycle MOO is part of the ambush.
No car to tip Jd off that someone, or he was around.

I thought he was lying in wait for her.
He took the bike in her truck from the house after he murdered her in cold blood.
He intended to leave the car at Waveny Park, to throw LE off with a missing person case.
He rode the bike back to the house once after ditching the car.
He did not use it before the murder but after.

 

[tmar]

And many women suffer traumatic brain damage from being hit in the head over and over, thrown down, jerked around by their ponytail and enduring episodes of near strangulation from their abusers. My sister suffered so many of these attacks afraid to report because her ex threatened to kill her and her daughter if she ever left. She finally got away but is so debilitated from brain damage diagnosed as CTE that she will soon need nursing home care. Unfortunately her daughter didn’t escape. Just adding this to warn women to get away from an abuser as fast as you can and do not let them sweet talk you into coming back!!! ( Don’t mean to be personal but women need to know how serious DV is and what it can lead to.)

I am so sorry for your sister and her daughter.
Your advice is so important: to leave quickly.
It is upsetting, that many women get involved with these creeps,
not realizing the creep's character, until the woman is abused.
MOO.

 

[Daisyeve]

Actually the concussion and fall discussion from KM in AW3, having followed his antics for quite awhile now was probably the most believable aspect of his testimony detailed in AW3!

KM has a long and well documented alcohol abuse issue (refer to the Court documents on his thread here on WS).

I'm not sure if you have ever seen a 'fall down' drunken episode? Or, maybe heard the terms 'blackout drunk'? I can absolutely picture a KM drunken binge where he didn't know where he was, what he was doing and simply fell down a flight of steps in his own house and woke up in a pool of vomit and urine.

Final stage alchoholic's IMO experience blackouts and all kinds of physical falls and accidents and to me the description by KM of his fall and concussion made perfect sense. Little else KM said in AW3 made much sense but the fall and accident did make some sense but I'm sure States Atty Colangelo is hard at work on figuring out the enigma that is KM!

MOO

You described it perfectly. And ETOH withdrawal is a nightmare and many patients have to be transferred to an ICU. The damage alcohol does to a human body ,(in MOO), is worse than any drug. DT’ ‘s usually start 72 hours after the last drink. It’s not something that is over and done with in just a few hours if a person has been an alcoholic for a while.

 

[Deleted member 121463]

I've seen some posters say he didn't have time to do any of that. I disagree. FD was at WL for 2 hours and 20 minutes. Plenty of time to terrorize her. 15 or 20 minutes worth for sure. This was no heat of the moment killing. It was pure pent-up rage. Imagine waking up in the morning and traveling say 70 minutes or so with the intent of killing someone. No immediate provocation. He is as nasty as I know he is. I can't imagine any scenario, given the facts here, where there was NOT brutal verbal taunting, torture and degradation. He wanted her to be terrorized before she died. I feel it in my bones and I have felt that for many months.

And Jennifer told the court of his morbid revenge fantasies against those who have wronged him!