Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

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This reminds me:
DEAR ATTORNEYS:

With NP's bluster the other day to the news, he was disparaging the forensic expert who said there was enough blood loss to cause death.

NP added that he was going to have a talk with said forensic expert.

Since that forensic expert will likely be a witness, is it legal for NP to "have a chat" with him before the trial?

Sure. Depose him. If NP wants papers, duces tecum the expert. Why would he not be able to talk with the expert?
“Having a chat” is NP beating on his chest. Yelling Kahwahbungaaaaa!!!!!!
Like he controls the expert? Or can influence the expert by some secret off the record meeting.
Dream on, Norm.
 
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So in addition to doing a bunch of actual work work (I work from home and go into the office like once a week when I am not traveling) I will update and refine the timeline I made several weeks ago when I combined AW1 and AW2 to include AW3 for MT and FD and AW for KM. It helps for all of us I feel like to have the most complete picture we can.

SO I wrote all that stuff down in my spiral and combined with the timeline I created for this case and am just looking at specific time gaps SO FAR (because we don't have all the information nor do we know what KM was up to for most of 5/24 and 5/25) as it relates to where JD could be/what could have been done with her remains.

Time Gap 1
10:25 am until 11:12 am. New Canaan area.

Time Gap 2
12:22 pm until 1:36pm. Farmington area. 4Jax 80 Mountain Spring Road and Deercliff property can all be included here.

Time Gap 3
1:36 pm until 2:01 pm. Farmington area. 80 MOuntain Spring Road.

At 2:15 pm FD texts EE to inquire as to when EE is bringing the Raptor back to 4Jax.

Time Gap 4
2:24 pm until approximately 4:03 or 4:23 pm. 4Jax and 80 Mountain Spring and Deercliff Property can all be included here.

4:58 EE arrives at 80 Mountain Spring Road in Raptor. He had first arrived at 4JAX and no one was there. Went inside kitchen looking for his Tacoma keys. Then drives to Deercliff property and finally to 80 Mountain Spring Road.

5:28 EE finally gets his Tacoma keys and leaves 80 Mountain Spring Road in his Tacoma after not wanting to take the Raptor as FD offered for the weekend and MT leaves in Fore Group Suburban followed by the Raptor driven by FD.

Time Gap 5
From approximately 5:34pm until 7:10pm when Raptor departs for the trashbin odyssey of stupidity. Raptor is first caught on camera by C4 on Albany Avenue at approximately 7:31 pm.

The multiple time gaps and hours spent after the kidnapping and murder of Jennifer to me suggest strongly that she was brought back to 80 MOuntain Spring Road/4Jax/ Farmington area. JMO. Again, I could totally be wrong.

Time Gap 6
From approximately 8:10pm on 5/24 until 2:47 pm on 5/25.

None of this means that those are the only times but I feel like they are the most likely times. Time Gap 6 I pretty much want to throw out the window but can't as KM is named as a co-conspirator. I just do not feel after being notified that his wife was missing that FD was still running around after 8:10 pm that evening. We still do not yet know how he was notified. By phone or did officers go to the 4 Jax address? We do know that by 8:41 pm on 5/24 FD had indeed been notified that Jennifer was reported missing.


I think she was taken there as well. The paper towels disappearing doesn't necessarily tell me she was killed in her home. Fotis may have simply swiped them from her house in anticipation. He could have also injured her at her home, and there was a lot of blood.

Lots of time for them to carry out their plan. Thank you for this timeline. Everyone here amazes me with what they can deduce.
 
  • #1,043
He was seen walking along a back trail with a shovel at some point. Close to Jennifer’s house? So many details....
We discussed that shovel sighting here for a bit.
Wonder if FD and KM dug one grave? It was about 3 feet deep, wasn’t it? 6 feet long. Discovered by the two hunters. Anyway, I think we’re all convinced KM was the brains behind that hole digging, but maybe they were going to put both wives in there?
FD was trying to “patch up”
KM marriage just a little bit before Jennifer went missing.
Dumb and dumber. Two wives missing within two weeks of each other with two husbands as friends and both divorcing....
Really? How much dumber can you get? Did I miss any similarities? Well, I guess maybe KM had a mistress, too?
No, KM was simply believed to have 'on/off' GF....its quite a crew!
 
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Assuming you are correct, rather than us all having to fund the cost of feeding and sheltering him for the rest of his life in prison isn't there some kind of work/labor camp where CT can get at least some sort of token repayment for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in investigative expenses he has already cost the state and its taxpayers (a hardworking honest population that we speculate he willfully chose not to be a part of despite ample means in the past?)

In some places, inmates are billed for room&board and other costs of their incarceration.

You've Served Your Time. Now Here's Your Bill. | HuffPost

IDK 'bout Connecticut.

Fd does seem to be expert at dodging bills....

YMMV JMHO LRR
 
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I think she was taken there as well. The paper towels disappearing doesn't necessarily tell me she was killed in her home. Fotis may have simply swiped them from her house in anticipation. He could have also injured her at her home, and there was a lot of blood.

Lots of time for them to carry out their plan. Thank you for this timeline. Everyone here amazes me with what they can deduce.

If you spilled a gallon of water, how many rolls of paper towels would it take to mop up the mess? Quicker picker upper or not, I think that’s why those pillows were used. Decorative pillows and camping pillow(s).
 
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Yes IMO Its FRAUD.

Yes PEOPLES BANK should not have accepted these checks for deposit without the signature of JFd. Not only that, why is a joint account still open in the name of JFd when she is missing and how was Fd able to then transfer all the proceeds out of the joint account into his personal account? Were there no restrictions on the Joint acct?

It doesn't appear that anything has been done about this matter at all but given that it is in AW then at least Atty Colangelo is aware as is Judge Blawie. Perhaps they will report it? IDK.

Deposits like this should not happen. You would have thought also that given the dollar amount that they would have great scrutiny too. My recollection is that for a deposit of this size to be accepted that a Managers signature would have been required too. WHAT IS GOING ON PEOPLE's Bank of Bridgeport, CT?????

First we have the Sue Morin situation taking the 5th in Family Court on the suspicious mortgage transaction (she was from Farmington Bank and which is now owned by People's Bank of Bridgeport, CT. And now these Chubb checks with no endorsement from JFd.

NOT GOOD. Wonder if Fd perhaps paid someone off to deposit the checks? Situation needs to be reviewed by the bank IMO. Slipshod check processing IMO but sadly perhaps an 'inside job' too. Can't you just imagine Fd telling someone they would give them a few thousand to accept the checks 'as is'???

MOO
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Let's hope that this is being investigated. The amount of fraud we are learning about in this case is enough to make the average insurance and bank customer infuriated by what those of us who are actually honest are undoubtedly subsidizing for those who are not.
 
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OMG!!! This just occurred to me!
MT said in her first interview that she and FD showered the morning of 5/24, and then changed her story to say that she didn’t see him that morning. That shower did happen, but it happened AFTER whatever transpired at 80MS (ie. dismemberment). Of course, because they needed to clean themselves of any possible evidence of this horrific crime. Every perpetrator’s story, made up to conceal the truth, is peppered with actual events.
The psychotic mind is truly fascinating in how it weaves an almost seamless vision of their world, into which they are so entwined, that they are unable to see outside of their self centred life. He cannot see what we as mere uninvolved, well informed members of society can see from a mile away. He cannot step out of his cushy home (well by conditions of bond now) and view himself from a different view point, to see what is a very large amount of check marks on the proverbial boxes, and mounds of evidence to prove it. For this is the reason why there are absolutely no other suspects. Didn’t NP begin his own investigation? I doubt it has led to anything, you’d be sure loud mouth NP would have let that slip to the media, sorry not sorry.
What if YOU saw your house of cards beginning to tumble?
We are watching you Fo. Make your next move...
 
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Also clothes may not deteriorate as fast as a body......think bugs eating flesh but not cloth....think The Body Farm...sorry about description

I am torn between seeing him as a desperado who would tear JD limb from limb, and seeing him as some one who does not want to do that much work. So, would he dig a whole grave? That is work. Would he have a detailed plan for the body? Even with clothing and fasteners removed, there are bones. Seems like extra steps for no reason, IMO.
 
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does FD have dual citizenship? Maybe he can avail himself of consular services. Curious now about his status.
Fd status believed to be US/Greek at a minimum with possibly a Turkish passport as this is where he was born (Turkish passport was alleged by JFd in Family Court but never confirmed).
 
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Sure. Depose him. If NP wants papers, duces tecum the expert. Why would he not be able to talk with the expert?
“Having a chat” is NP beating on his chest. Yelling Kahwahbungaaaaa!!!!!!
Like he controls the expert? Or can influence the expert by some secret off the record meeting.
Dream on, Norm.

BBM

Now how am I ever going to take Snoopy seriously again???

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Time Gap 6
From approximately 8:10pm on 5/24 until 2:47 pm on 5/25.

None of this means that those are the only times but I feel like they are the most likely times. Time Gap 6 I pretty much want to throw out the window but can't as KM is named as a co-conspirator. I just do not feel after being notified that his wife was missing that FD was still running around after 8:10 pm that evening. We still do not yet know how he was notified. By phone or did officers go to the 4 Jax address? We do know that by 8:41 pm on 5/24 FD had indeed been notified that Jennifer was reported missing.
This is an impressive compilation of gaps. All the information is difficult to visualize as you stated...especially in a linear fashion.

I don't know if LA's contacts with FD can narrow gaps (all contacts were by text or phone), but LA called FD on Friday the 24th at 8:41 P.M. He reminded her he was expecting the children at 11:00 the next day.

On Saturday morning, May 25, at 5:39 A.M., FD texted Lauren to be sure that she was up and asking if she had any news and saying the children really needed him.

From AW #3 for Fd., page 30.

Of course he could be anywhere when he called or sent a text, but he was in contact with someone. And, if he really was anticipating the children would be brought to 4JX, he should have been there at 11 A.M. on the morning of the 25th.

AW dependent...comments...MOO!
 
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Pytranker and FD seem incredibly stupid in actually bringing and handing over the phone, if it actually contained any incriminating evidence that they were trying to hide, IMO. One almost suspects that it might have had fake or misleading "evidence," the way they brought it right into the building unasked and handed it over, IMO. As to KM falling and destroying his phone, I would like to know if he sought medical attention or if he just says that he fell. it seems a little fortuitous that he destroyed some phone information just as FD was being interviewed by LE, IMO.
Yes, there could be something here with what you are proposing IMO.

We saw Fd, I believe in the Dateline interview, talk about the phone in almost a dismissive way and saying that he didn't give LE any information he didn't want them to have. We'd talked about the Dateline interview in depth many threads ago, but this particular statement by Fd also stayed with me and so I do wonder if the 'phone football' at NCPD was some kind of 'red herring' designed to buy time and take LE off on a wild goose chase during a very critical period of the initial missing time.

LE hasn't disclosed much about whether the JFd cellphone remained in the Suburban on Lapham Rd or whether it was found in Waveny Park. LE spend nearly a week searching Waveny Park and draining the shallow pond there as well using a variety of resources on the ground (dogs and human searches) and air. So far as I can tell there is no info in any of the AWs regarding what if anything was found in Waveny.

But to your point of Fd creating diversions for LE to waste time and thin out available resources, I think many here on prior threads thought that Fd jogged into Waveny Park to possibly dispose of JFd cell phone or some other piece of physical evidence to possibly set the stage for the 'gone girl' or 'missing while jogging' theories that were simply diversions.

MOO
 
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AW1 states that they leave in the Raptor to travel to Albany at 19:10pm.This is based on FD phone and would be consistent with arrival at Albany at 7:31 pm.
I have nothing between 17:34 and 19:10.
Myself and a couple other posters discussed this shortly before the latest arrests. So the discussion kind of got lost. The initial warrants say the phones traveled back to 4JC at 5:34 from MS. Nothing is said about whether both vehicles traveled back at the same time. LE would certainly know, due to security cams, what each vehicle did and at what time. The AW strangely silent on that point. Possibly, MT brought both phones back and FD went on to dispose of JD during that time? I am also curious about where all the garbage bags were when EE got to MS. FD thought he was going to keep the Tacoma. Were the bags in the Tacoma when EE got there? Did EE see them? If FD did bring her back to MS, where was her body at this time. Just thoughts.
 
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Of course he could be anywhere when he called or sent a text, but he was in contact with someone. And, if he really was anticipating the children would be brought to 4JX, he should have been there at 11 A.M. on the morning of the 25th.

AW dependent...comments...MOO!

As soon as I posted this I realized FD probably heard from one of the kids that they weren't going to be going to Farmington. They probably would have let him know a couple of hours before their expected arrival....9-ish????
 
  • #1,055
Can’t wait to see what KM has to say. I’m wondering if FD/MT duo were framing him.
 
  • #1,056
Testing with Luminol is an on scene process where the luminescence occurs via chemical reaction to hemoglobin, false positives CAN occur. It's a standard practice, does NOT require visible questionable stains and any positives MUST be confirmed by further testing.
Any + article is then evaluated for HUMAN blood & subsequent DNA.
ALL details MB knows & he's possibly "short-handing" the process for his audience. IMO, MOO
@joypath, so glad to see you here!

Would luminol usage in the Welles garage have had any impact on LE ability to do DNA testing in that space at a later date?

The reporting in this case in the early days was limited and because LE has never really spoken during the course of the investigation except via the AWs we have been left to piece together much of the information here so I'm sorry for such basic questions.

We know from AW1 that some kind of quick and easy LE testing happened at Welles garage to lead LE to quickly believe that something had happened in that space and that it was after doing this that NCPD called in CSP Crime Lab Team. Local gossip stated that some heard local LE say that the, "Welles Garage lit up like a Christmas Tree". Would this phrase seem to indicate the initial usage of luminol or some other way of detecting blood?

AW3 makes the Welles garage scene a bit clearer for us vs AW2 IMO. We see references in AW2 and 3 to clean up efforts in Welles garage. The garage floor is poured concrete I believe (relatively new house with a very clean garage floor) and the AWs state that clean up efforts happened in the garage but makes note that LE found marks on the garage floor in areas that would be consistent with where most believe the attack occurred (between the 2 cars and into the mudroom entry area to the main house). Would LE have been able to do any testing on the concrete floor or would the staining/marks on the floor simply been used to possibly recreate the crime scene? Would the floor ever be removed to gather this evidence or is simple on site testing all that is needed?

In a way, its been baffling as outsiders to watch CSP Crime Lab folks process the various pieces of real estate in this case as most of the properties were released back to Fd relatively quickly. CSP returned to 4Jx, 80 MS, Welles and Sturbridge multiple times in the early days of the process that we saw in the press but we don't know about Deer Cliff or any other Fore properties. The Welles property in NC was returned to the property owner and now that property is on the market for sale or rent. I guess we might learn more when the search warrants are unsealed but for now, we don't know all the properties and locations that have been processed by LE.
 
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Can’t wait to see what KM has to say. I’m wondering if FD/MT duo were framing him.
I don’t think they were framing him, because this was never supposed to be a crime in the first place.

That was the point of cleaning up the blood, and moving Jennifer’s body/vehicle.

I think it was supposed to be an enduring mystery.
 
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These are REALLY good points that have been mostly overlooked I think. ITA!

MT said she brought bleach with her to clean up for the Open House/ showing (whatever it was).

You don’t need bleach to clean a brand NEW spec house !

FD would have already had a post
construction cleaning crew service the house since 2 people couldn’t clean that much square footage in one day .

If anything ..all she would have needed to do was (maybe) sweep and spray down countertops plus ,she’s lazy so I don’t envision her getting down on her and knee’s with bleach scrubbing tile or toilets .
Not happening .

MT claimed she started cleaning the windows but, “had” to stop as there were just too many !
Lazy/ spoiled /entitled and a blatant lie since her and FD were standing outside when EE pulled up.

Beside’s, what surface’s would she need to pour pure bleach on?

And let’s be real , FD wouldn’t have allowed any bleach type smell in his brand new spec house before a showing . He would have wanted her to use Mrs. Meyers in Verbena or Lavender scent .

Bleach = cleaning up blood

Moo
 
  • #1,059
I’m not looking for a discussion any further. And it’s not the murder I’m posting about but the legal proceedings.
You have your opinions, most of which I agree with. I have mine, and had I been the judge I would have put his behind in jail as long as it took to get ALL of the court orders complied with early on.
Like I said, when I’ve seen non-complying parties held in contempt, fined AND JAILED, it’s amazing how quickly things begin to move along to a resolution.

We may associate Fd's behavior in Family Court to a 3 year old toddler. (I am currently rearing one and therefore my brain immediately goes there)

A 3 year old will push the boundaries to see what they can get away with. The More you give the More they want.

Every single time that an adult eventually gives in to a 3 year old toddler pitching a fit, Absolutely Emboldens the child to do or have whatever he/she wants and whenever they want. Why? Because there are Never any Consequences.

IF a 3 year old toddler Never receives training, requirements, boundaries, rules, guidelines, expectations, and consequences, then they will Absolutely become like the Fd's of this world.

It might take a time or two, but a toddler Will get the message, especially if the message is implemented on Day ONE.

Every single time that the Family Court Judge allowed Fd to Ignore Court Orders, Fd pushed the boundaries further and further.

Does this Embolden someone like Fd? Absolutely.

With Family Court, What Is The Point in Issuing a Court Order if the Judge Is NOT Going to Enforce The Order?

Fd has even been a no-show in the same court on multiple occasions, and Each and Every Time, he is Not even Chastised. We have seen it in Civil Court, as well.

How Many Chances Is Fd Supposed to Get?

How Many Chances do everyone on this thread give their child or grandchild before implementing the consequence?

In my house, we try and state our expectations Before there is an issue. The children are informed of the consequence if the expectation is not met. From that time forward, the child's action will result in the consequence and the consequence will increase for every subsequent infraction of the same issue. If the issue has not been addressed beforehand, then we address the issue and inform the child that next time there will be a consequence. They Definitely get the picture after having just 1-2 consequences. We use the One Minute Per Age Time Out method with the younger children and it works beautifully.

Fd was Court Ordered to submit Accurate Financials in Family Court, at least 3 times and never received an 'incentive' to comply and therefore Never complied.

Fd was Court Ordered to Maintain the Family Health Insurance and Never received an 'incentive' to comply and therefore Never complied.

Fd was Court Ordered to keep MT from participating in his visitations and he Never received an 'incentive' to comply and therefore Never complied.

Fd was Court Ordered to participate in Family and Individual Counseling and Never received an 'incentive' to comply and therefore only marginally, perhaps 5% complied.

Fd was Court Ordered to attend Parenting Classes and Never received an 'incentive' to comply and Refused to comply for at least 10 months. He did receive a bit of a 'normal' incentive in that he was barred from all contact with the children during the 10 months.

However, and this is a HUGH However, Fd is Not Normal and he was ABSOLUTELY FINE with the No Contact with his children. He did Not Care about the Children and therefore it was Not an 'incentive' for him.

What Loving Parent Chooses to go without at least communicating with their children for 10 months when it is absolutely within their power to have contact?

We hear Fd testify in Civil Court that his choice to not have contact with his children was because he 'respectfully disagreed with the Judge'. Really??? That was His Excuse for Not being there for his children?

IMO, the only reason Fd may have eventually and very marginally complied after 10 months, was that he needed access to the children because he Thought he would have access to their Trust Funds.

So in March of 2019, just 2 months before JFd is murdered, Fd's visitation is reinstated although having the most restrictive visitation possible, barring no visitation at all.

Statistics may show that the odds of JFd still being alive, may not have been in her favor.

However, there Is a Possibility that they Could have been in her favor had Fd been held Accountable for his actions/non-actions in Family Court, from Day ONE.

Had Fd been held accountable, the Divorce could have been completed in less than a year. Why is this important?

What we saw in AW3 was the fact that Fd's Financial House of Cards had started to Tumble in late 2018 and basically Unrecoverable in Early 2019, without an influx of a tremendous amount of money.

Fd needed money and he needed it now. Had the Divorce already been finalized within 8-10 months, then there is a good possibility that JFd Could still be alive.

Why you ask?

The divorce had been in process for almost 2 years, but we do not see Fd Murder JFd until his US Financial House of Cards came tumbling down in 2019. Yes, I say US because I do believe he has money in Greece. (How can he afford 5 attorneys and all the bonds, without it?)

WHAT Changed from the time in 2018 that he was barred from visitation to 10 months later in March 2019? Fd waited 10 Months, during which time Fd did not even petition the Court to reinstate his visitation.

Fd was pleading poverty in Family Court for 2 years. So, If Fd accessed the money in Greece during the divorce, then his poverty stance would be exposed.

Therefore, his Financial Mistakes in Building 5 Unsalable McMansions that are listed at well above the Market, become his achilles heal as more and more debts are incurred. Again, he cannot access the Money in Greece because it will show him to be a Liar in Family Court.

If the Divorce had been completed in early 2018, then Fd would have been able to access the funds in Greece and pay all the debts by 2019. Unfortunately, Fd was Greedy in Family Court and he will end up loosing Everything because he did not want to pay child support.

It really is That simple. Yes, I know. He also wanted the Children's Trust Funds. Which makes him something beyond an Idiot, since the Trusts are 100% Protected from the likes of Fd. IMO.

In early 2019, Fd was Financially at the point of No Return. Fd did the minimum to reinstate supervised visitation to either try and gain full custody of the children and therefore perceived access to the Trust Funds, and/or to murder JFd and receive full custody of the children, by default. It is All about the money with Fd.

Even if there was just a 1% chance that JFd would still be alive due to a Judge Enforcing their Orders, then that is enough in my book to absolutely expect Judges to Enforce their Orders and Impose Consequences.

I want that % of a chance, that JFd could still be alive and loving her 5 beautiful children.

As a Citizen of the State of Connecticut, I Demand That Percentage.

IMO and with a Moo Moo here and a Moo Moo there.
 
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Some thoughts from the past few days:

-Someone brought up the surveillance at the Starbucks FD and MT visited on 5/24. Yes, that Starbucks has surveillance inside the store. Confirmed by someone who worked there.

-Talking to someone local with CSP connections, the case is extremely strong (beyond what we already know).

-Also talked to someone familiar with FD. He's just as arrogant and narcissistic as we all assumed, to the point where contractors would talk and eye roll about it behind his back.

-Same person confirmed FD is NOT the type of person to split wood themselves, but that's obviously conjecture.

-Regarding trash dumping, iirc, 4JC is NOT on the town's pickup route, meaning he would have to hire and pay for trash pickup on his own, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that FD DID randomly dump trash in other places (although I believe 80MS IS on the town trash route).
Super interesting information!

Also good to know about 4Jx as when we looked at the original trash routes in Farmington it seemed that it might be on the route. So, does that mean that he had private trash pickup there? I also don't remember if we looked at Avon trash removal as the Deer Cliff Property might have town pickup as well. But I also think we have seen pictures of Deer Cliff with a small dumpster or big plastic bins early in this case as it seems the property was used for storage of FORE trailer and some supplies. There is also 21 Sky View in Avon and this property hasn't yet been mentioned in this case but it could also have trash pickup.

Avon CT doesn't offer curbside trash collection but like New Canaan does have a Transfer Station for residents.

Avon Transfer Station:
https://www.avonct.gov/taxonomy/term/149

Farmington Pickup Routes:
https://www.farmington-ct.org/home/showdocument?id=15491

Fore Group Available Houses:
Available Homes - Fore Group Inc.
 
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