Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #36

[SkylarSid]

Wow! Had no idea of the collectible aspect of some of these bikes!

Love the phrase "True Crime Cuiser".

I'm surprised that Fd didn't have a more current mountain bike and it makes me curious about which bike people might have seen him riding in Waveny, as there have been reports of him there with his bike even after JFd went missing.

I wouldn't think the old heavy Mercier could have been used on the trails of Farmington either. Wonder what kind of other bikes he might have?

MOO

He probably wasn't much of a bike rider anymore. His newest sport was skiing - either snow or water, depending on the weather. He kept his old bike on a hook in his garage and when he was concocting his plan of destruction he decided to use a bike as part of his plan. That is all. Luckily for justice, it turns out to be part of his undoing.

 

[RoosterRock]

This I cannot understand except to maybe say (having experienced DV myself--all I will ever say on that subject and never again in any other post) that people wear different masks for different people. They have uses for different people. They treat people differently. That is my best true guess. I don't even really understand it myself. How they could be so ugly to one person and then not to another. I do not know.

I will never understand MT ever. Not ever. She was so brazen about being FD lover. So very brazen. I am still not convinced that she is completely over/separated from etc...FD. She may not be talking or texting or living with him but she definitely was and likely still is "into him." I think that she was thrilled that he killed JD.

At first I thought, well FD is scaring MT and has a ton over her or is threatening MT and her daughter and she went along with all this because of the threat of being killed or something. And then I saw multiple instances in the interviews with LE where they gave her multiple lead ins to push her in exactly that direction. When they mentioned that FD had got her in trouble (the clean up and Hartford trashbin odyssey of stupidity) instead of crying or saying OMG or he made me do it....anything like that she said she was cleaning the house and not Jennifer and when they say it looks really bad for her she said, "That's like even worse. I hate him because of that." OKEEDOKEE. This is not the answer I had hoped to hear because I had thought or at least hoped she was being intimidated by him, etc...this is not the answer of such a person, JMO. Again, I could be 100% wrong but she was righteously ticked off and not at all anything else.

She is definitely different. Not saying there is not a chance that FD wasn't abusive to her, etc...what I am saying is she was in deep, yeah he had some stuff on her but it wasn't the same fear and anxiety and desperation that JD felt.

Edited for typo
IMO - MT is obviously missing emotional intelligence, she is not all there, almost like a child emotionally. She probably loved his dominance over her, and did not do anything without his approval. Totally fed his ego. So she went along with all his plans happily believing a delusional dream disposing of JD was just a means to an end, and like a child she was jealous of JD, and wanted her gone as much as FD did.
MT was fully involved in planning, covering alibis, post cleanup and coverup. She is only now upset that she will be behind bars, not that she was part of a hideous act. She could very well be a psychopath herself, with no emotions. I don't think she feels one bit of remorse for the brutal death of JD. She also has no remorse for the children losing a mother. She only feels bad for herself going to prison instead of living with FD in the big house with all the kids and financial security.... IMO

 

[afitzy]

Is there a link we should be looking for?

@Curious in CT, these comments all related to 80MS that happened earlier.


Available Homes - Fore Group Inc.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/80-Mountain-Spring-Rd-Farmington-CT-06032/57719823_zpid/


Did folks see the latest zillow estim on 80 MS? Interesting. Now I wonder if the banks will even get 40% recovery rates on their FORE/Fd loans!

MOO

 

[Curious in CT]

I’ve done the cold turkey withdrawal from anti depressants and can confirm, and would NEVER do it again (I wasn’t in jail, though). But I think MT might have some other sort of drug problem

Thanks for sharing, @Jmoose , and good to connect here. My story comes out in fits and starts!

 

[Alathea]

Yes. It is definitely a lot to ponder. How did FD enter the home? Did JD come into the home and was assaulted inside the laundry room area and drug to the garage leaving the home? Did she never make it into the home from the garage? Those are good questions and obviously ones that are important.

So according to AW3 of FD: Section for Lauren Almeidi (full-time nanny of JD hired by JD in 2013):
1. Mudroom Door: LA states that on 5/22 when she was preparing with JD for FD visit which was to take place outside the house in the rear yard that the food had been placed on rear patio table and the mudroom door locked to prevent FD from entering the kitchen. (Earlier LittleBitty confused the mudroom as being near the garage. It is not. Separate from the garage/laundry room entry). LA was at the JD residence on two separate times during the lunch time hours of 5/24. On the second visit (at 12:43 pm) where she had picked up the four kids (one child went directly to a friend's house) and fed them in the kitchen she noticed that the rear mudroom door (leading to the outside yard--which is always locked unless the kids are playing in the yard) is unlocked. LA locks it and at this point sends a text to JD at 1:10pm that they are leaving for NY (LA and kids) and will arrive around 2:30.
2. The purse: LA first arrives at 69 Welles Lane at 11:30 am and opens the center garage bay with a keypad (as usual) and notices that the Chevy Suburban is gone but that the Range Rover which JD had told her the night before JD would take to NY because it was smaller and easier to park is in the garage. She notices JD's handbag is on the floor between the Mudroom and the Kitchen.
3. Granola bar and Mug of Tea: When LA arrived at 11:30 am she noticed an unopened granola bar and a mug of tea on the kitchen counter. LA washed the mug of tea in the kitchen sink and noticed that the paper towel roll near sink needed to be replaced and goes to pantry and finds that of the 12 paper towel rolls she had placed in the pantry only the night before there are only 2 left.
After the first visit LA leaves to go pick up the four kids at their school. The fifth child went directly to a friend's house. After the pick up LA arrives back at 69 Welles Lane and feeds the kids in the kitchen.

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Sorry I am a detail girl. Possible explanation for mug of tea and unopened granola bar. JD may have been sitting in the kitchen waiting on the kiddos and started the tea but never had a chance to open the granola bar. Because all the kids were ready. Since JD intended to come back to her home after dropping them off...this seems to be the easiest explanation for me anyway.
It is possible that she made it into the house after dropping off the kiddos and was preparing a quick snack before heading to NY and was startled by someone in the side yard and went to investigate...but I just struggle with this.
Possible explanation for the purse being on the floor between the mudroom and kitchen area....FD placed it there. Perhaps in part because he was in a hurry and not thinking OR he wanted it to appear suspicious? Hence, he also unlocked the mudroom door as well?

I admit I have no clue what FD may have been thinking if he indeed placed the purse and unlocked the mudroom door *his dna is found on that same door near the lock plate* so maybe he did it at the last moment at the end of the cleanup? Or maybe he thought he'd make it look like someone attacked JD (remember he thought he was in the clear with leaving his phone behind at 4Jax and KM for a meeting alibi and using the Toyota Tacoma and parking it where there are no cameras *except ones on the bus he had no clue about which caught the Toyota's parking spot* and using the bicycle and hoodie disguise to approach JD property) and kidnapped her. He knew he would have to take JD suburban but as he was doing this all alone (if he had had help from another party for the killing aspect of all this someone could have driven the suburban well far away from that Waveny location and made it like less easy to find?) maybe he panicked? Maybe he wanted it to look like someone attacked JD in the home and stole her car and kidnapped her?
I have no clue. Like I said. These are all extremely good questions.
I just think honestly that FD wanted NO PART of JD purse whatsoever. JMO. So he left it there. Now whether he placed it there is a far different matter but I tend to believe that the struggle didn't take place in the home. JMO.

@LittleBitty - sorry, I had not seen this post when I made mine tonight! Great thoughts!

I agree he didn't need/want the purse (and at the time, I thought I was original in that thought, haha!)

 

[afitzy]

He probably wasn't much of a bike rider anymore. His newest sport was skiing - either snow or water, depending on the weather. He kept his old bike on a hook in his garage and when he was concocting his plan of destruction he decided to use a bike as part of his plan. That is all. Luckily for justice, it turns out to be part of his undoing.

IDK. He has a Pelaton in his gym but maybe that had been used by JFd even though she was known to be a superior runner to Fd. Based on the infamous picture of him jogging he didn't appear to be much of a runner and his musculature leads me to believe he simply lifted weights for either for looks or skiing and not running or cycling.

MOO

 

[Alkali13]

IDK. He has a Pelaton in his gym but maybe that had been used by JFd even though she was known to be a superior runner to Fd. Based on the infamous picture of him jogging he didn't appear to be much of a runner and his musculature leads me to believe he simply lifted weights for either for looks or skiing and not running or cycling.

MOO

In my head, those stupid Pelaton bikes are just status symbols.

MOO MOO MOO

 

[acutename]

After re-reading the new AWs once again, I have come up with some new thoughts to address a few of the questions:

• FO, hair-conscious as he was (by several statements he made), shaved at least his head if not also his arms (by several accounts) either the night before or early that morning (at 4:20AM).
• He left alone - because of the above, he would not have wanted Michelle's hair to have been found.
• MT, following the plan, went to take selfies, which was likely not something she normally did - clearly part of the schedule.
• FD planned to kidnap Jennifer, or do a bloodless killing and take her body -- either way, to make it look like an abduction.
• In order to do the above, he surprised her from behind in the garage, restrained/overpowered her, perhaps with the pillow to stop her screams. He put a zip tie around her neck first perhaps, to get control, then around her arms, legs.
• Perhaps he was wearing a ski mask, and she didn't even know who he was, at least at first?
• If he assaulted her it was around this time. He had a harder time controlling her than he had expected - he thought he could overpower her more easily - so he grabbed something nearby - a hockey stick, something - or, a knife that he had with him - and then the scene became bloody - which he had NOT anticipated. (Think KB's murder, where it was harder than he thought it would be). Cut underwear could be at this point, or could be later back at 80MS (not getting into detail here; LE know more.)
• We know he didn't anticipate a bloody scene, as he didn't even bring paper towels or a pillow
• Cleanup was much more than he expected
• He put her in a bag - unconscious, and literally bleeding to death - and into her truck, along with his bike.
• Drove to park where the Tacoma was waiting
• Moved her and the bike to the Tacoma
• Cleaned her truck as well as he could in 20 min, jogged to the pond at the park while there to drop her phone to make it look like she was jogging there, and was abducted there. Set up her truck to leave lights on so someone would hopefully steal it.
• Drove to 80MS.
• Put on ponchos - one for him and one for MT. SINCE HE DIDN'T EXPECT THE SCENE AT NC to be so bloody, these were intended for what he did at 80MS and may have been stored there. Were these sold by MT's sister? Her sister sells plastic foot-coverings.
• Proceeded to, with MT's help, clean up car.
  
• Somehow prepared to bury or dissect (?) Wearing ponchos.
• Put her in bags <- THIS PART IS NOT CLEAR - or left her for KM somewhere
• Brought trash bags to Albany Ave
• Called KM on the ride while on Albany Ave to say it was done
  - OR, to tell him WHERE TO GET THE BODY - FOR KM TO BURY?
• Or: Called KM, as part of an alibi that evening ("I was in Hartford all day!" - not knowing cameras caught him dumping evidence, and not expecting that evidence to ever be found.

The following day, he had done all he needed to do - everything was done on the 24th. Why? Because he expected to get his kids early that next day. He would not have had loose ends left to do.

Purse on floor at home:
If it were a handbag with upright handles, it would be less in the way - with 5 kids' stuff to get ready for school in the morning - to leave it on the floor (which I'm sure was spotless). 5 lunches, backpacks, etc - that's a lot on the counters already.

She may have grabbed her wallet/license, phone, and keys, and left, with tea and granola bar ready for her return- in too much of a rush that morning to have them before she left.

She may have left the purse on the floor in an area not visible directly from the garage. Perhaps there were coats or backpacks over it.

FD might not have seen it and was afraid of leaving tracks around the house and needed to get out of there after using sink to wash blood off of him / splattered (on his face? He probably didn't care about blood that was elsewhere except that it might get on car seat.)

ETA: or more likely: he saw purse, but it didn't fit in with his abduction plan - he took what he wanted from it already - it was just more stuff to get rid of, so he didn't need the purse.

Still working on all of these ideas. Will refine as I go along...

If this is right, when he drove to the park, he was a bloody mess- how was he not seen by some one? Luck? He would have gotten blood in the two vehicles as well. was the garage and the vehicle left in it really cleaned sufficiently that LA, etc. did not see stains ?

 

[LittleBitty]

I'm my head, those stupid Pelaton bikes are just status symbols.

MOO MOO MOO

Kinda like the "True Crime Cruiser" to a lesser extent though.
I fear Pelaton bikes. Although I am ordering a stationary bike for myself that is far less status-y and way less expensive.

Crazy how one of the big pieces of evidence we have seen so far against FD is his childhood vintage French built bicycle. Just crazy. I know LE has far more than that. But the bike is like that indisputable stuff that prosecutors dream of in a case with no body and a load of circumstantial stuff absent any co-conspirators turning evidence.

 

[afitzy]

Question: FD treated JFd in such a way that she was afraid for her life.

Why is it assumed that he doesn't treat MT the same way?

Its an interesting question IMO. Sure Fd could have used his vast arsenal of manipulative tactics on MT as well but from what we have learned about MT she was a fundamentally different person from JFd. My guess is that Fd used different tactics on MT to achieve the control he craves. The thing though is that from what we gleaned in AW3, MT had some control issues of her own and kept close tabs on Fd. I always am amused watching fellow members of the 'cheaters club' micro manage and control their partners even after they live together!

We also learned from AW3 that MT said she and Fd 'fought constantly' about things (most likely JFd, children and divorce things but we can only speculate). So, it appears MT is wired emotionally be be a fighter. I don't believe this makes her emotionally strong particularly as frankly in this arrest process she looks like she is crumbling emotionally, it just means she will lash back and fight. From what we've read in Family Court it didn't seem like JFd was as well equipped to go into hand to hand battle on a daily basis with Fd such as MT might have done and her tool to deal with Fd was to be an 'avoider' or possibly 'pacifier'. Its all really hard to know but I think MT and JFd were extremely different people and wired emotionally in very different ways and most likely were at very different levels of intelligence too (both IQ intelligence and emotional intelligence too IMO but this is pure absolute speculation!).

For what its worth, my speculation is that MT and Fd really are more similar than dissimilar emotionally. Are they sociopaths or psychopaths? We don't yet know and might never know but depending on how the trial goes we might learn more about them from professionals. My speculation though is that Fd really is probably somewhere on the 'psychopath' spectrum even though we joked about this issue many threads ago when his lawyer released some statement from the psychologist treating Fd to say that "Fd is not a psychopath"!

We have seen zero caring from MT about JFd at any stage of this investigation and frankly her coldness and disinterest have been chilling to watch from a distance. My guess is that MT feels little for other humans or animals and only cares about herself.

This is all pure speculation and time will tell about MT and FD. But no matter what we find out about their emotional make up, I do believe firmly that they ARE BOTH COLD BLOODED AND CALCULATING MURDERERS (presumed to be innocent of course with a big wave to Atty Bowman for reminding us all of this very important issue!).

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

1000% with you on this.

The ongoing defense of the "Greek Family" of Fd here is beyond baffling to me. My guess at least for his 'sister' and her husband 'the Rear Admiral' that the motivation has and always will be $$$$ and/or pure stubbornness. If I recall, the Greek Rear Admiral stated that his retirement pension was EU1500/month and how he was upset and appalled by the amounts spent on the Dulos divorce. IMO it was odd to mention the money first as his concern in the divorce as I would have thought that the emotional well being of the children would have had a higher value or priority? But, perhaps that is not the "Greek Way" where money and not people are what really matters? IDK, but I found the comments of Greek Rear Admiral and his wife oddly out of sync with anything having to do with the safety and well being of the children. But given their relationship to Fd, perhaps I shouldn't have been very surprised!

I do very much wonder how much $$$$ Rena helped Fd 'suck' out of FORE over the years? The Fd niece who was interviewed on Dateline was someone that also surprised me a bit as they seemed like a patsy and setup for the narrative that Fd and his sister and Pattisville were peddling at the time. Wonder if she has read the Family Court file and understood the situation with the 5 Dulos children? I doubt it. Sad situation as I wonder if ANY ONE of these "Greek Grifters" has spent the time to actually read the court files in Family Court or Civil Court?

I read the latest Atty Rochlin motion filed regarding Fd protesting the Probate Court custody award to GF and yet again wondered if any of the "Greek Family" had looked at the documents in Family Court. I have to say that the narrative associated with the mental health of Fd's son was one of the most profoundly heartbreaking reports about a child experiencing divorce that I have ever read (and I've read quite a few files!). The idea that Fd could know of his childs emotional state and STILL then CHOOSE to not be part of that childs life leads me to believe strongly that Fd SHOULD NEVER BE EXPOSED TO CHILDREN and in particular his own children. I know that sometimes families are the last to be aware of domestic situations but I would hope that at some point the "Greek Family" takes the time and reads the Family Court file as IMO its heartbreaking and also tragic the impact the circumstances of the divorce had on the children who were absolute victims in this sad tale.


MOO

BBM. What does the report say? I think courts and attorneys all refuse to acknowledge the damage to children and that they are victims of custody proceedings until the damage is so obvious, it can't be denied.

A friend of my daughter has had a custody proceeding going on for more than two years in another state and she was never married to the father of the child. The father had a protection order against him for two years until it wasn't renewed last summer. Yet the judge is now asking why the father shouldn't have unsupervised parenting time. No parent who has had a protection order against them that involves child abuse, should ever have contact with the child again. That's just common sense. smh.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

We have a mud room and it is a place to hold coats, shoes, backpacks, muddy boots, gloves and also has a utility sink. It is off our kitchen and has a door to the backyard and a door into the garage. Our kids never used our front door.
JMO

Yes and most newer houses have it attached to the garage as well. Even houses where the entry is at ground level through garage into a full basement (kitchen via steps to main floor upstairs), the mudroom would be an area adjacent to the garage with benches and cubbies and coat closets and possibly bathroom. JFd had what I would call a fairly standard mudroom for the area and was lucky that her property was flat so the mudroom could be on the same level as the garage and kitchen.

 

[acutename]

I think the mud room is a separate room between the kitchen and the garage, but which also has a door out to the backyard, it is picture #11 on Zillow for the current listing for the house which has a new address (renumbered from 69 when JD lived there and now on the market as #71). You can also see the mud room through the kitchen on the Zillow picture. It is an open plan house and there’s also glass doors that go out to the patio in back from the kitchen. It seems likely that LA and JD would have made sure both back entry doors (patio doors and mud room door) were locked the night FD was there.
The mud room seems like a place where all the shoes, coats, etc would be put and kept (you can see the storage cubbies on the left side wall) so it seems like a place where JD would leave or put her purse. Of course it’s possible that FD moved it or put it there too.

LA (and the kids probably) would know if JD ever left her purse on the mud room floor. If she never did, likely, IMO, that FD left it there - not sure why his dna was on the door- not sure why the crime scene did not stay in the garage. Since JD's dna was on 2 cars, I think the attack occurred in the garage, IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Edited for typo
IMO - MT is obviously missing emotional intelligence, she is not all there, almost like a child emotionally. She probably loved his dominance over her, and did not do anything without his approval. Totally fed his ego. So she went along with all his plans happily believing a delusional dream disposing of JD was just a means to an end, and like a child she was jealous of JD, and wanted her gone as much as FD did.
MT was fully involved in planning, covering alibis, post cleanup and coverup. She is only now upset that she will be behind bars, not that she was part of a hideous act. She could very well be a psychopath herself, with no emotions. I don't think she feels one bit of remorse for the brutal death of JD. She also has no remorse for the children losing a mother. She only feels bad for herself going to prison instead of living with FD in the big house with all the kids and financial security.... IMO

I think MT is just a run-of-the-mill gold digger who views all women as competition.

I haven't heard if JD had a hefty life insurance policy but it wouldn't surprise me if she did and that could be another reason Fd wanted her dead before the divorce was final.

JMO

 

[acutename]

Very interesting. Especially the part about digging a grave or chopping up the bike. You are right - grave digging is not easy (I have a pet cemetery in my back yard) and getting around tree roots is no easy task and I have used assorted tools also.

bike frames are designed to be pretty tough- would be a chore to chop one up IMO.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Edited for typo
IMO - MT is obviously missing emotional intelligence, she is not all there, almost like a child emotionally. She probably loved his dominance over her, and did not do anything without his approval. Totally fed his ego. So she went along with all his plans happily believing a delusional dream disposing of JD was just a means to an end, and like a child she was jealous of JD, and wanted her gone as much as FD did.
MT was fully involved in planning, covering alibis, post cleanup and coverup. She is only now upset that she will be behind bars, not that she was part of a hideous act. She could very well be a psychopath herself, with no emotions. I don't think she feels one bit of remorse for the brutal death of JD. She also has no remorse for the children losing a mother. She only feels bad for herself going to prison instead of living with FD in the big house with all the kids and financial security.... IMO

Not to mention how her actions would affect her daughter.

 

[Alathea]

If this is right, when he drove to the park, he was a bloody mess- how was he not seen by some one? Luck? He would have gotten blood in the two vehicles as well. was the garage and the vehicle left in it really cleaned sufficiently that LA, etc. did not see stains ?

Great questions!
Best I can come up with is:

• He changed clothes/ had another layer of clothing that he removed
• Washed himself up a bit in her kitchen sink
• He did actually get blood in the passenger seat of Tacoma
• He did spend quite a bit of time cleaning Jennifer's garage, but apparently she didn't notice stains - OR, she did notice stains, but it wasn't included in the AW

 

[MyBelle]

LA (and the kids probably) would know if JD ever left her purse on the mud room floor. If she never did, likely, IMO, that FD left it there - not sure why his dna was on the door- not sure why the crime scene did not stay in the garage. Since JD's dna was on 2 cars, I think the attack occurred in the garage, IMO.

I don't know how this crime went down but I think it very possible FD got inside the garage and was hiding there when JD returned home. As JD opened the door into the house, I think he attacked her from behind and the purse left her arm or hand. If JD intended to take another vehicle to NYC, it makes sense to me that she would carry her purse into the house so she would remember to put it into the other vehicle with her luggage.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

Did anyone ever actually track this Fudge guy down? Or identify him? DA from the HC claimed to have interviews the DD (dumpster diver) after he was released from a little stint in jail ( terrible article IMO btw-full of timing inconsistencies IIRC), but I don’t recall another article identifying Fudge.

How many folks can there be that frequent the Albany corridor in Hartford with the nickname "Fudge"? I'm assuming "Fudge" is real course as I don't think we know.

Hartford is a large city for CT (but CT is a small State) but its not huge and the areas to be searched to locate Fudge are IMO finite and no doubt Fudge isn't all that mobile. We aren't talking NY and 5 boroughs to search. Its Hartford and a few areas to search and no matter what one thinks of the policing skills/talents of HPD, IMO if Fudge were a user or dealer or had prior convictions then he would be in the system for something too.

If Fudge is part of the homeless group, known drug user or dealer or lives in/around Albany, my guess is that HPD know him and he has been found and interviewed or will be eventually. The Hartford camera network is extensive and I would think that many people have spent many hours looking at images to track him down. My speculation is Fudge was found and is being safeguarded.

I mean, even Atty. P. knew about Fudge and whether he and his PI were the one that tipped off Dave Altimari at the HC or visa versa, it was with the entire Fudge discussion that the relationship between Dave Altimari and Atty. P. became crystal clear to me. With AW3 we just don't have closure on the issue of a potential knife which I believe was the last part of the DA reporting on the Fudge story.

MOO

 

[LittleBitty]

Not to mention how her actions would affect her daughter.

I know we are not allowed to sleuth the children and not her child either. It appears from information we have learned that the daughter was often left to her own devices...quite a bit. It speaks to the level of caring of MT, IMO. Take child to school. Alibi self and FD. Pick child up. Drop child off. Somewhere. Help FD with crime scene cleanup and disposal...drive to Albany ave. trip to Starbucks for food and drink. Go home.