Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

[Jade]

Sure no body murder cases can be won, but I don't think there is enough evidence here to support a murder conviction without a body or parts of it. I also don't like the word circumstantial because it defies the legal system, circumstantial evidence within in of itself is reasonable doubt. Furthermore I do not believe that the ME is unjustified, but I also would never put all of the weight of the world on one person, whomever that is. It's a piece in a puzzle, and it lends itself to the idea that she is most likely no longer alive, as does the disappearance in and of itself. I also am not shaming or blaming LE for not trying to find a body or parts of it, from what I have seen and read ( a lot of you tend to think I'm new here and so I don't really know whats going on, but I research heavily outside of this site and on it before I ever open my mouth or on this forum move my fingers). What I am saying is that truth is stranger than fiction, and until we have more concrete evidence, I think to speculate about someones behavior, missing paper towel rolls, among other things which could have completely separate explanations for them other than the death of JD doesn't help to derive the truth, in fact it clouds it. I think that if a body were burned, which some of you have theorized, it would take a substantial amount of fuel and time and most likely would be difficult to hide, plus if you were going to burn the body why in the world would you be not burning the other things you threw in the garbage? I also think dismemberment is plausible but highly unlikely, it would take tools, it would be messy, and then you would have to dispose of the body parts, and to my knowledge none have been located. If anyone knows and can tell me, I would like to know JD's timeline before she disappeared, what were her emails and text conversations about, who was last to see her? who was last to speak to her? what was the mileage on her vehicle? was she having any relationships? I think if there was a pool of blood in the garage it is safe to say something happened there, but by whom? and when? and why? and if so, who had the means and the time to take her whenever she is now? I understand that the DNA of all three were found on items thrown in the garbage, but as a single mother, I can come up with all kinds of reasons why certain things can appear to be something they are not. I think it's best to focus on the victim and her victimology.... if anyone has posted or has it could you repost here a map of the neighborhood... was there any surveillance taken around her home that LE has ? I'm assuming not, but I'm hoping they tried.

IMO


Not aware that FD and MT’s DNA had no reason to be in anything of or on Jennifer like items with her shirt and bra that were thrown in the garbage?

That FD and MT never lived in Jennifer’s house did not have items in common and were in fact prohibited contact?

Also not aware of the lengths LE has gone to find Jennifer?


It is against WS TOS to victim blame.

What Jennifer was doing and when is none of our business as she is a victim.



imo

 

[sds71]

Michelle Troconis, the 46-year-old Avon mother charged with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the May 24 disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos, has a new lawyer.

Hartford attorney Jon L. Schoenhorn said Wednesday that he expects to put on an aggressive defense against the list of charges Troconis faces related to the death of Farber Dulos, a mother of five from New Canaan

Things have changed and we are going in a different direction,” Schoenhorn said. “She is innocent and we are going to be fighting these charges tooth and nail.”

Troconis, who was living with Farber Dulos’ estranged husband, Fotis Dulos at the time Farber Dulos went missing, was charged last month with conspiracy to commit murder. She also has pleaded not guilty to charges of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. She is currently free after posting a total of $2.1 million in bonds. Her next court appearance is Friday.


At a Feb. 13 hearing in Superior Court, Stamford/Norwalk State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo is expected to ask a judge to dismiss the murder charges against Dulos because he died last week after attempting to kill himself with carbon monoxide poisoning from vehicle exhaust inside the garage of his Farmington home.

‘If it takes my head to end this, so be it.’ Note found with Fotis Dulos on day of suicide attempt proclaims his innocence »
Schoenhorn has already filed a motion seeking to have Troconis’ criminal cases transferred from Stamford Superior Court to Hartford, where he says the crimes are alleged to have occurred. He said he will seek a bond modification for Troconis since she is currently under house arrest...

“I have no idea who agreed to have the first two cases in Stamford in the first place since the first case occurred in Hartford and the second case in Avon,” Schoenhorn said.

Michelle Troconis, alleged accomplice in murder of Jennifer Farber Dulos, hires new attorney who signals aggressive defense against charges

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

MOO I do not know exactly what you mean. Are you saying tbere is insufficient evidence to prove,JF death, or that FD can't be ties to what happened to her?

I do not disagree that JD is most likely dead. What happened to her and how it happened are of massive importance in any case. I do not think there is sufficient evidence to tie FD to a murder or her murder specifically. I don't believe that the evidence they have is sufficient to say FD Murdered JD. I do think there is evidence to suggest that he deserves to remain a POI, and could later be useful if he is charged in her murder.

 

[Wicked Strong]

The presumption of innocence is a civil right for a defendant, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to be clear.
And, I am discussing, on the internet, which translates to social media and media, which LE does use to help solve crimes my opinion.
My opinion being, on the internet of course, and in real life, that it's prudent for people to think about the human rights of all people, and not let personal opinions and emotions cloud factual and legal judgement, the forum in of it self is speculative, but I speculate to find out what happened and to hopefully get justice for the victim, not to rant about my opinions about a person that I do not personally know, and are not progressive to whatever tradgedy I am discussing. Furthermore, I appreciate heavily the amount of dedicated insight and research done here, and I also know for a fact that LE has been helped on multiple occasions by websleuthers! With that being said, I also know that there are people in all fields here, some in LE and in the legal system, so I am not sure what the forum is for, if it is not out of the compassion of its members to be helpful and seek truth and justice...maybe you're just on here to be behind a computer and join a forum over the internet, but I am not. I care, and I care about what is relevant to the victim and the case, so excuse me for being frustrated at reading comments about peoples emotions that have absolutely nothing to do with the case in which I am interested in. I must be outta my mind...

I'm fairly new to this case also, but I found a lot of information, timelines, media reports etc on the media thread of this case. You'll find it as the first thread. Hopefully, that will answer some questions you have as to evidence. Also, the AW3 did charge FD with murder, so that was his last charge.

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

There has been talk of a knife that someone supposedly found in the garbage on Albany Av. at the time of the disappearance. I believe that was found with a bloody pillow and the person who found it said it was A LOT of blood. If LE has these items they have been quiet about it. Also there was interest in an ax that was in FDs garage, but I don't think much has been released about that.

I would think if they had any weapons that contained her or his DNA they would have charged him, but who knows? that's interesting. Do you know how many bags were found and the evidence in each bag that was disposed of? I have to go back over everything and see but I'd like to know

 

[BellaVita]

Are we sure that her cell phone was found in the suburban parked at waveny? In an article posted yesterday it was indicated that the state may bill new canaan for the yellow labs they used in waveny to search for her cell phone, as well as the cadaver dogs. That would seem to indicate the phone was not found in the suburban. IMO

FROM SW:

Phone was found in Suburban. Perhaps LE was looking for FD burner phone?

 

[annekris]

I do not disagree that JD is most likely dead. What happened to her and how it happened are of massive importance in any case. I do not think there is sufficient evidence to tie FD to a murder or her murder specifically. I don't believe that the evidence they have is sufficient to say FD Murdered JD. I do think there is evidence to suggest that he deserves to remain a POI, and could later be useful if he is charged in her murder.

FD, being deceased, will never be charged for JFds murder.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I make my 8s like that a lot. Just depends on how fast I am writing. How does the bottom pair up with the 0 in 20?

I also make my 8s with two circles, one on top of the other, but they are typically around the same size. But something else I see is the 2s in 2020 look different than the 2 in 28. Maybe just the copy is unclear. But it does appear to me two people wrote the date.

 

[Laughing]

From the Dulos Family Letter:
We, the family of this great man, feel let down by the State that pursued and harassed him and us relentlessly and with no mercy, without ever giving him or us a chance to speak our truth and to share, with a world that was too quick to call him a monster, our story.

Still trying to be sympathetic to this family's need to grieve, but Fotis Dulos REFUSED to speak to police to help with his wife's disappearance. For eight months he refused to speak to the police; he didn't speak through his lawyer before the gag order; and he says his lawyer has evidence to clear his name.

I'm waiting...the blame game will end, the moment Attorney Pattis shares the exonerating material The ball is in Attorney Pattis' court.

Yeah I'm behind but he DID speak -- Greek publication and IIRC two television interviews!

No chance to speak? Huh?

The constant claims by Norm P. of an alibi:

Let's hear it, Norm, the world is waiting...

JMHO YMMV

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

IMO


Not aware that FD and MT’s DNA had no reason to be in anything of or on Jennifer like items with her shirt and bra that were thrown in the garbage?

That FD and MT never lived in Jennifer’s house did not have items in common and were in fact prohibited contact?

Also not aware of the lengths LE has gone to find Jennifer?


It is against WS TOS to victim blame.

What Jennifer was doing and when is none of our business as she is a victim.



imo

What exactly am I blaming the victim of? Her victimology and what she was doing and her last movements are very crucial to the case and her being found and getting justice. How you equate that with shaming her is beyond me?It doesn't matter what she was doing no matter what people may find distastful, its not a reason for anyone to be harmed or killed, so trying to understand what happened is the opposite of shaming the victim...maybe it's because I'm from NYC, or maybe its the over all culture of society nowadays but people need to relax, and FYI on WS you're not supposed to defame, blame or shame any POI either, however I don't see people getting much slack about that. IMO.

 

[afitzy]

I believe a reasonable could presume that if JD were alive she would feel safe to come out of hiding knowing FD is not around. I would think her mother and her children would know of her whereabouts if she was alive. MOO.

Yes, so far as we have heard in MSM nobody has yet seen JFd show up in person at Probate Court in New Canaan/Darien and we know she didn't show up in Family Court when that case was dismissed as well following the Court's acceptance of Fd death.

The idea that a body is needed here to prosecute this case simply seems IMO to be antiquated in a day and age when forensic science has advance to the point that it has in 2020. Dr Gill will need to make his case and the associated experts from the Defense will respond accordingly as we have seen play out in cases many times in the past.

We saw Patrick Frazee for months be quoted for saying, "no body, no case" and we then saw precisely where this thinking got Patrick Frazee (life in prison w/o parole plus extra time added on if I recall!).

The idea of questioning anything/everything has value IMO and so many questions have been asked and sometimes they can be answered but sometimes they cannot.

MOO

The presumption of innocence is a civil right for a defendant, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to be clear.
And, I am discussing, on the internet, which translates to social media and media, which LE does use to help solve crimes my opinion.
My opinion being, on the internet of course, and in real life, that it's prudent for people to think about the human rights of all people, and not let personal opinions and emotions cloud factual and legal judgement, the forum in of it self is speculative, but I speculate to find out what happened and to hopefully get justice for the victim, not to rant about my opinions about a person that I do not personally know, and are not progressive to whatever tradgedy I am discussing. Furthermore, I appreciate heavily the amount of dedicated insight and research done here, and I also know for a fact that LE has been helped on multiple occasions by websleuthers! With that being said, I also know that there are people in all fields here, some in LE and in the legal system, so I am not sure what the forum is for, if it is not out of the compassion of its members to be helpful and seek truth and justice...maybe you're just on here to be behind a computer and join a forum over the internet, but I am not. I care, and I care about what is relevant to the victim and the case, so excuse me for being frustrated at reading comments about peoples emotions that have absolutely nothing to do with the case in which I am interested in. I must be outta my mind...

I feel your frustration with all of this and I'm sure you are most likely referring to MT and/or KM.

Folks here in prior threads have gone through the MT AWs and comments made by her when questioned in LE extensively.

Multiple attempts have been made to put together a timeline for MT based on AW info.

LE has been quite crafty in the info shared about MT and is playing things quite close to the vest for reasons that will eventually be understood by the public.

MT in AW2 and 3 put out information that she 'believes' to be a valid alibi for her location on the murder date.

LE so far as I can tell chose to NOT accept or confirm publicly the MT alibi for the murder date, so I believe we are still waiting for additional information here. Theories abound as to why this might have been done.

KM investigation is ongoing and his AW1 was thin with a range of circumstantial evidence. His information in AW1 has been discussed extensively as well.

If you can craft a plausible timeline for MT based on LE corroborated information then by all means please share as there are no doubt many that would love to see it and ditto for KM!

I'm not sure justice in this case will be to the liking of many that have been following along now for 44 threads and this is unfortunate as many care deeply about the victim. I happen to not believe that a case for Conspiracy to Commit Murder would have been put forward by Atty Colangelo unless he believed he had a compelling case. Perhaps we differ on this and that is ok as I actually think we have more differences of opinion here on WS more often than not.

MOO

 

[Alkali13]

Are we sure that her cell phone was found in the suburban parked at waveny? In an article posted yesterday it was indicated that the state may bill new canaan for the yellow labs they used in waveny to search for her cell phone, as well as the cadaver dogs. That would seem to indicate the phone was not found in the suburban. IMO

Yes, we are iirc. According to the SWs that were released, there was an iPhone 7 in a red case found in JFD's suburban at Waveny. It is also noted (someone help, was it AW3) that JFD's cell phone arrived at Waveny then permanently disconnected from the network around 40 minutes later.

 

[MilanaCapricorn]

I'm fairly new to this case also, but I found a lot of information, timelines, media reports etc on the media thread of this case. You'll find it as the first thread. Hopefully, that will answer some questions you have as to evidence. Also, the AW3 did charge FD with murder, so that was his last charge.

You are absolutely right, I just saw that 5 days ago! I missed it. Okay, well I expect some evidence to start pouring in during trial...but it's going to be a difficult one for the DA I assume...

 

[Gardenista]

Michelle Troconis, the 46-year-old Avon mother charged with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the May 24 disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos, has a new lawyer.

Hartford attorney Jon L. Schoenhorn said Wednesday that he expects to put on an aggressive defense against the list of charges Troconis faces related to the death of Farber Dulos, a mother of five from New Canaan

Things have changed and we are going in a different direction,” Schoenhorn said. “She is innocent and we are going to be fighting these charges tooth and nail.”

Troconis, who was living with Farber Dulos’ estranged husband, Fotis Dulos at the time Farber Dulos went missing, was charged last month with conspiracy to commit murder. She also has pleaded not guilty to charges of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. She is currently free after posting a total of $2.1 million in bonds. Her next court appearance is Friday.


At a Feb. 13 hearing in Superior Court, Stamford/Norwalk State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo is expected to ask a judge to dismiss the murder charges against Dulos because he died last week after attempting to kill himself with carbon monoxide poisoning from vehicle exhaust inside the garage of his Farmington home.

‘If it takes my head to end this, so be it.’ Note found with Fotis Dulos on day of suicide attempt proclaims his innocence »
Schoenhorn has already filed a motion seeking to have Troconis’ criminal cases transferred from Stamford Superior Court to Hartford, where he says the crimes are alleged to have occurred. He said he will seek a bond modification for Troconis since she is currently under house arrest...

“I have no idea who agreed to have the first two cases in Stamford in the first place since the first case occurred in Hartford and the second case in Avon,” Schoenhorn said.

Michelle Troconis, alleged accomplice in murder of Jennifer Farber Dulos, hires new attorney who signals aggressive defense against charges

It's always something with this case, isn't it? I wonder if this will push back her Friday court date

 

[afitzy]

Critics say Fotis Dulos case highlights need for reform of Connecticut’s cash bail system

 

[afitzy]

MT new atty:
Attorney Jon L Schoenhorn & Associates, LLC

From website:
Criminal Defense:
Jon L Schoenhorn & Associates, LLC handles all aspects of criminal cases on an affordable and professional basis, including white collar investigations, from the investigative stage, through grand jury investigations, interviews with law enforcement officials and prosecutors, the arrest and bail process, pre-trial motions, then ultimately trial to verdict and (if unsuccessful) appeal. The firms' attorneys are experienced in all felony, misdemeanor, motor vehicle infractions, youthful offender and juvenile delinquency matters. We work with clients on probation and parole problems, grand jury investigations, extradition, petitions for new trial, sentence modification and habeas corpus. Possible grounds for constitutional challenges to arrests and motions to suppress for violations of individual rights are explored in every case.

Attorney Schoenhorn has never worked in law enforcement or as a prosecutor as a matter of choice and believes that the rights of individuals are paramount when the nearly limitless resources of the state or federal government are brought to bear on citizens.

 

[merrymary]

Michelle Troconis, the 46-year-old Avon mother charged with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the May 24 disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos, has a new lawyer.

Hartford attorney Jon L. Schoenhorn said Wednesday that he expects to put on an aggressive defense against the list of charges Troconis faces related to the death of Farber Dulos, a mother of five from New Canaan

Things have changed and we are going in a different direction,” Schoenhorn said. “She is innocent and we are going to be fighting these charges tooth and nail.”

Troconis, who was living with Farber Dulos’ estranged husband, Fotis Dulos at the time Farber Dulos went missing, was charged last month with conspiracy to commit murder. She also has pleaded not guilty to charges of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. She is currently free after posting a total of $2.1 million in bonds. Her next court appearance is Friday.


At a Feb. 13 hearing in Superior Court, Stamford/Norwalk State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo is expected to ask a judge to dismiss the murder charges against Dulos because he died last week after attempting to kill himself with carbon monoxide poisoning from vehicle exhaust inside the garage of his Farmington home.

‘If it takes my head to end this, so be it.’ Note found with Fotis Dulos on day of suicide attempt proclaims his innocence »
Schoenhorn has already filed a motion seeking to have Troconis’ criminal cases transferred from Stamford Superior Court to Hartford, where he says the crimes are alleged to have occurred. He said he will seek a bond modification for Troconis since she is currently under house arrest...

“I have no idea who agreed to have the first two cases in Stamford in the first place since the first case occurred in Hartford and the second case in Avon,” Schoenhorn said.

Michelle Troconis, alleged accomplice in murder of Jennifer Farber Dulos, hires new attorney who signals aggressive defense against charges

Attorney Jon L Schoenhorn & Associates, LLC

 

[afitzy]

Michelle Troconis, the 46-year-old Avon mother charged with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the May 24 disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos, has a new lawyer.

Hartford attorney Jon L. Schoenhorn said Wednesday that he expects to put on an aggressive defense against the list of charges Troconis faces related to the death of Farber Dulos, a mother of five from New Canaan

Things have changed and we are going in a different direction,” Schoenhorn said. “She is innocent and we are going to be fighting these charges tooth and nail.”

Troconis, who was living with Farber Dulos’ estranged husband, Fotis Dulos at the time Farber Dulos went missing, was charged last month with conspiracy to commit murder. She also has pleaded not guilty to charges of tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. She is currently free after posting a total of $2.1 million in bonds. Her next court appearance is Friday.


At a Feb. 13 hearing in Superior Court, Stamford/Norwalk State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo is expected to ask a judge to dismiss the murder charges against Dulos because he died last week after attempting to kill himself with carbon monoxide poisoning from vehicle exhaust inside the garage of his Farmington home.

‘If it takes my head to end this, so be it.’ Note found with Fotis Dulos on day of suicide attempt proclaims his innocence »
Schoenhorn has already filed a motion seeking to have Troconis’ criminal cases transferred from Stamford Superior Court to Hartford, where he says the crimes are alleged to have occurred. He said he will seek a bond modification for Troconis since she is currently under house arrest...

“I have no idea who agreed to have the first two cases in Stamford in the first place since the first case occurred in Hartford and the second case in Avon,” Schoenhorn said.

Michelle Troconis, alleged accomplice in murder of Jennifer Farber Dulos, hires new attorney who signals aggressive defense against charges

Does anyone understand this statement made by MT new atty?

“I have no idea who agreed to have the first two cases in Stamford in the first place since the first case occurred in Hartford and the second case in Avon,” Schoenhorn said.

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Crime scene at Welles is New Canaan which would bump case to Stamford - victim allegedly died at Welles too.

80MS was classified as secondary crime scene and would be Hartford but this statement was never clarified by LE.

Not seeing strong argument to move to Hartford other than the driving time for MT and her attorney.

Anyone else understanding this argument by new atty?

MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Hes trilingual Eng Germ Spanish, main interests are sex crimes based on what he posts.

 

[Boxer]

I would think if they had any weapons that contained her or his DNA they would have charged him, but who knows? that's interesting. Do you know how many bags were found and the evidence in each bag that was disposed of? I have to go back over everything and see but I'd like to know

MOO you should definitely go back and read the AW 3. Otherwise you will have to continue to ask other people what is in the arrest warrant. It's clear, the evidence is stated.