Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

[Jade]

IMO, MT is much more upset about AC, and FD high regards for her. This is the sort of thing that pushes a woman like MT buttons. Another woman. I just feel certain that all the charges against MT she was willing to indure, because FD and her were in it together. She is finally shaking off her medicated daze, and seeing the reality of her situation. Now she's pissed. Haha haha it couldn't happened to a better person. #JUSTICE for Jennifer and her family

MT was trying to show FD what he was missing when she threw aside her jacket and sashayed across the courthouse breezeway in the pink baby llama pelt top like she thought she was Giselle at the opening of the summer Olympics in Rio.



MT didn’t want anyone to forget about Fudge and the knife he found since she got home that day and posted- out of all the possible things that could be offered for sale on her site- a knife.




All imo

 

[sds71]

I think he is attempting to maintain and control the narrative that MT is at most, someone who was not “in on” the murder, but rather someone who assisted her lover after the fact, even though she was horrified. If he can, he’ll try to say she had no hand in anything, save for the trash bin odyssey of stupidity, where she was on the phone with Petu the whole time. This is my guess-and if he says it often enough, people who haven’t been immersed like us, may believe it.

that's sort of why they dropped the conspiracy charges against Valiente.
they had text messages of her and Navin discussing killing his parents. they placed her at the scene of both murders.
she was on video at home depot buying trash bags for the clean up. she forged one of Mrs. Navin's checks with Mrs. Navin's blood on it.
but Pattis said they couldn't prove there was an agreement before the murders happened.

 

[citygirl]

My carpal-tunnel is acting up today...with all of my scrolling and rolling.

Well..... that was snarky but thoughtful.
MOO.

 

[isabella88]

The presumption of innocence is a civil right for a defendant, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to be clear.
And, I am discussing, on the internet, which translates to social media and media, which LE does use to help solve crimes my opinion.
My opinion being, on the internet of course, and in real life, that it's prudent for people to think about the human rights of all people, and not let personal opinions and emotions cloud factual and legal judgement, the forum in of it self is speculative, but I speculate to find out what happened and to hopefully get justice for the victim, not to rant about my opinions about a person that I do not personally know, and are not progressive to whatever tradgedy I am discussing. Furthermore, I appreciate heavily the amount of dedicated insight and research done here, and I also know for a fact that LE has been helped on multiple occasions by websleuthers! With that being said, I also know that there are people in all fields here, some in LE and in the legal system, so I am not sure what the forum is for, if it is not out of the compassion of its members to be helpful and seek truth and justice...maybe you're just on here to be behind a computer and join a forum over the internet, but I am not. I care, and I care about what is relevant to the victim and the case, so excuse me for being frustrated at reading comments about peoples emotions that have absolutely nothing to do with the case in which I am interested in. I must be outta my mind...

I don't think you are out of your mind, but you may be on the wrong forum/site. We do express opinions here and are careful to acknowledge that they are just that--opinions. This case has dragged on for a long time and IMO, that and the sensitive nature of a mother of five missing has made many of us emotional in our posts and about the players in this case. When it comes down to the fundamental basics, we are simply humans discussing the behavior of other humans. Humans are flawed. I'm sorry you are frustrated but based on what you've said you don't like about WS, I am not sure that will change with time. MOO, JMO

 

[Jmoose]

For sure I think the case is very compelling, and I'm sure anyone bringing a capital NO BODY murder case, had better be damn sure they know and are convinced of what they are doing. though I am advocating for the presumption of innocence and our 2nd constitutional right in general, I am human and I absolutely weigh in the circumstances and I can believe that it's probable he was involved in her disappearance, but I do not lean towards beyond a reasonable doubt. This reminds me of the Scott Peterson case. I was in school for forensic psychology at the time and I was advocating that they should have never charged him with murder, that the evidence was circumstantial and he shouldn't have been convicted, and I actually at the time believed he did it ( I had the entire class against me, screaming, yelling, that he was a monster etc etc etc, but I just didn't feel they proved that)...well looks like now he might not have done it, and this is exactly the point i'm trying to make. I think it reminds me of it, because the possibility that something else could have happened is there, that for me is reasonable doubt, and I think to charge or convict someone when there is even an inkling of doubt is a dangerous game we play with peoples lives all the time. The system is beautiful when it works, unfortunately it doesn't work that often. I would hate, for him to be aquitted of murder and then the body is found later on, and there is no way to charge him if he did do it again. Where is JD's Justice in that?

What?

Bowman said a written agreement with the state’s attorney office requires any materials to be returned to that office.

Schoenhorn asked the court to have the material transmitted directly to his office “without the necessity of requiring a ‘middle man.’”

Michelle Troconis’ new attorney wants trial moved in Jennifer Dulos case

He wants the possibility of a friendly judge in a different court

 

[sds71]

Per the motion, he says Troconis being charged with crimes that allegedly occurred in Hartford and Avon so that’s where the case should be prosecuted.
@News12CT​

 

[enelram]

My carpal-tunnel is acting up today...with all of my scrolling and rolling.

and my mouse is threatening to go on strike!!!!

 

[BellaVita]

What do we think happened here? It seems to me that since last week, MT and KM suddenly became more imperiled, and not less. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have needed a new, more aggressive lawyer, yes? So was this MT’s decision (made with her parents), or did Bowman decide that he wanted out, based on the new focus on the two co-conspirators, especially since MT had months and months to cooperate (and chose to roll the dice instead)? I don’t see any way that this indicates that the picture is better, rather than worse for MT, since Fd’s suicide.

One possible explanation for the change in atty: maybe MT was in the middle of a plea deal/disclosed certain info to AB. He could no longer effectively represent her because he had too much knowledge of her participation.

 

[sds71]

This is Attorney Jon Schoenhorn who is now representing Michelle Troconis in her case on charges of conspiracy to commit murder, evidence tampering, and hindering prosecution. @News12CT spoke with him and will have more on what he had to say starting at 7.

 

[Alkali13]

What do we think happened here? It seems to me that since last week, MT and KM suddenly became more imperiled, and not less. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have needed a new, more aggressive lawyer, yes? So was this MT’s decision (made with her parents), or did Bowman decide that he wanted out, based on the new focus on the two co-conspirators, especially since MT had months and months to cooperate (and chose to roll the dice instead)? I don’t see any way that this indicates that the picture is better, rather than worse for MT, since Fd’s suicide.

I'm wondering if AB was insisting on a plea deal, and MT refused, hence the separation of ways.

 

[afitzy]

Not an attorney, but I can say that I'm the past, I have been told by LE that reports must be filed where the crime occurs.

The evidence tampering charges stem from an incident in Hartford, so I think he's arguing that that's where the charges should have been filed and therefore prosecuted?

Interesting, you could also argue I suppose that the contents of the bags originated in NC which remains the primary crime scene.

I am curious where Atty Colangelo will come out on this and whether he picks an atty from Rocky Hill or Stamford to prosecute the case. So far as I know Atty Colangelo will be based in Rocky Hill now even though they haven't appointed a person to take over for him in Stamford.

IDK, primary crime scene appears to be New Canaan/Count of Fairfield. Interesting to see where the Judge comes out on all this. Do wonder also if we will see Judge White or Judge Blawie?

MOO

 

[kshultz06082]

I may just have to fly back home to be in the gallery for this hearing.

Nothing like seeing it First Hand.

IMO.

Not gonna lie, I would love to be in the gallery and might actually see how that works in these cases. I would not want to be a juror tho... Only because my mind is already made up and that does not make a good juror.

 

[BUF]

I'm wondering if AB was insisting on a plea deal, and MT refused, hence the separation of ways.

That was my initial thought.

 

[enelram]

One possible explanation for the change in atty: maybe MT was in the middle of a plea deal/disclosed certain info to AB. He could no longer effectively represent her because he had too much knowledge of her participation.

I suspect MT's family was super spooked by all the outside attys. giving sound bites of how her
case gets much more difficult now that FD is gone. And I agree with those attys.

MT will not get much sympathy from a jury.
Not just from her personal style and demeanor
but with the fact she was admittedly the mistress of the accused killer of the victim and living in the family home and allegedly sponging off the family of the victim. And that
she had been cheating with the deceased defendant for several years prior to her going missing.
Nope no sympathy from a jury.

 

[Boxer]

I think he is attempting to maintain and control the narrative that MT is at most, someone who was not “in on” the murder, but rather someone who assisted her lover after the fact, even though she was horrified. If he can, he’ll try to say she had no hand in anything, save for the trash bin odyssey of stupidity, where she was on the phone with Petu the whole time. This is my guess-and if he says it often enough, people who haven’t been immersed like us, may believe it.

Agree.
But I think the state has a strong case of her discussing wanting JF to disappear before her disappearance and then presented with this (a short list) of things that happened, she continued to conceal evidence:

FD not around during the crime window
Asks her to bring cleaning supplies to MS
Funny business with the Tacoma contents and keys
Trying to keep Tacoma over weekend
Filling black bags at MS with FD
Taking the bags to trashes in Hartford
Asks her to lie to police to give him an alibi
Detail Tacoma

Article Sept. 10, 2019
Tracing Fotis Dulos’ movements the day Jennifer Dulos vanished

From the article:

"Fotis Dulos and Michelle Troconis were arrested on a new tampering with evidence charge last week in connection with their roles in cleaning up a 2001 red Toyota Tacoma police believe was used in Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance, according to the arrest warrants."

 

[Topppps]

Why aren't these two jokers singing where the body is

 

[dlharris2712]

What do we think happened here? It seems to me that since last week, MT and KM suddenly became more imperiled, and not less. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have needed a new, more aggressive lawyer, yes? So was this MT’s decision (made with her parents), or did Bowman decide that he wanted out, based on the new focus on the two co-conspirators, especially since MT had months and months to cooperate (and chose to roll the dice instead)? I don’t see any way that this indicates that the picture is better, rather than worse for MT, since Fd’s suicide.

I think Michi realized the s**t might actually be hitting the fan...and I believe Mr. Bowman had ENOUGH of her lying and hijinks!!! I wonder if her new attorney will be able to take the "esteemed" title of "third carnival barker"...joining NP and the clown who looks like the "dark web" guy... jmo

 

[dlharris2712]

Well..... that was snarky but thoughtful.
MOO.

I aim to please...lol!!! xo

 

[Ruminations]

Ok- I don't know how to post links, but there is a HC story dated 12-12-17 that puts Schoenhorn and Pattis against one another in the same case.

Pattis was defending a white supremacist journalist (who's surprised?) who was giving a speech entitled "Its OK to be white." He said horrific things, then was arrested for something although HC does not make it clear what the charges were. (Who's surprised?) The article ignores that the speaker was arrested for something, but quotes Pattis, "Free speech matters... my client was treated like an animal for no reason."

Also arrested and charged was one of many protesters at the speech who tried to steal his speech from the lectern. Her name was Carolyn Gregory, my new hero. She was charged with attempted larceny. Pattis called for her incarceration. She was represented by Schoenhorn. He was quoted, "...[my client's] response was measured and understandable." And he said the White Supremacy speech had the "apparent goal of inciting a violent response. That ...would not be covered by the 1st amendment."

Hmmmm

Adding: did more research and "journalist" is not a term to apply to the supremacist. He is affiliated with Gateway Pundit, which spreads known falsehoods.

 

[enelram]

Per the motion, he says Troconis being charged with crimes that allegedly occurred in Hartford and Avon so that’s where the case should be prosecuted.
@News12CT​

No surprise here except I highly doubt the case will be moved.
Attys. like to work in areas where they're familiar w/ the judges and prosecutors and LE.
That's their home territory and they're more familiar with everything, not to mention the travel time back and forth to Stamford.
Plus this new guy is probably an 'unknown' in
Stamford.