Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

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IMO: Bowman’s ‘come to Jesus’ or was it ‘tag, you’re it’ reality check with Michi within the last week ran its course. She didn’t wanna hear IT. She still thinks (on whatever magical thinking wave
length) depending on the flavor of the Kool-aid, she’s has a chance of ‘winning’, ie, beating ALL the charges & will live happily ever after...
Sad, pathetic loser. MOO

 

[spaz1959]

I feel as if we have entered the Twilight Zone of PURE ENTITLEMENT here.

All I can say is that MT is responsible for her own feelings and as a 45 year old woman should have these issues well under control (or so I should hope)! If she and her CT Court files tagged her for drug testing and psychological support then perhaps she doesn't have it all figured out yet and it was believed she needed support?

I do wonder reading all these posts from the media whether MT realises that she has been charged with Conspiracy to Commit Murder by the State of CT and other very serious crimes?

I do not hope we are going down the path of the next motion being for a psych exam to prove diminished capacity as if MT is worried about being 'humiliated and punished' for having the privilege of being out on bond then I'm really not sure what can be done to help her other then to be placed in the psych hospital for CT inmates.

Simply no more words for this as it seems absolutely out of touch given the circumstances. If these are the kinds of motions MT and Mama A feel entitled to then my strong guess is that Atty Bowman said, "good riddance to bad trash" as these ladies are simply delusional.

MOO

Are these women delusional or is the LE system in CT delusional? Where else could FD push the boundaries and system of security ankle systems? MT is just taking a page from FD. This is a very telling story of how the victim of a horrendous crime, has zilch rights in CT. Does the CT court system know we are talking about 3 individuals (now 2) accused of murder? The court system trying to punish and humiliate MT, because of her involvement in Jennifer D murder! What should the courts be doing, other than holding the individuals responsible, responsible? !

 

[isabella88]

I think Troconis’s attorney has some fair points. There should be a reason for substance testing. There should be a released argument of her being a danger to the community. It is hard to believe the State found her more dangerous after AW3 compared to AW2. I don’t have any issue with her working, but I doubt CT does either. If she asks, they’d probably allow it in state.

I would agree that it might be fair to allow her the run of the State again might be reasonable. Depends what happens with similar defendants.

I don’t know if it’s fair to claim that CT is trying to punish, but if yes, that is not right prior to conviction.

On the other hand, it is hard to argue she’s not a flight risk. She has international ties. Her family is only visiting CT. By all appearances she only moved to CT herself to follow a man she called her ex and now he’s also dead. Bail reduces temptation to flee. The bracelet makes fleeing harder, monitoring easier, and could be moved to let the mark heal.

I don’t understand his point about her mention in Fotis’ last “all about poor me,” message. How is it exculpatory info regarding conspiracy? I think it only tells us about the subject of note: it’s author.

Troconis clearly did not give LE help locating Jennifer. I suspect she knows where she is, but even if she does not, she did not give answers to LE that could have helped them tighten the radius.

It is distasteful to talk about separation from her daughter, given her failure to help find Jennifer, to put it mildly. But I would consider some release conditions, if I were a judge. I would consider changes in whether she has to stay in her home, and whether she has to comply with drug testing, if her conditions are different from others.

MOO (Im ducking- I know she makes a lot of us angry, including me, and for good reason. Please don’t throw too much at me!)

No need to duck from me!! I agree that anger should be set aside when it comes to doing what is right in the justice system. (easier said than done, often!)

I suspect the drug testing is just there to irk MT more than anything, as I don't know of any evidence that she is a drug user.

I agree that she should be able to see her daughter, but it seems that she has been able to, so I'm not sure if that's much more than whining on her part.

While she may not be a danger to the community, I agree she is a flight risk. In addition, she may still be a danger to the case against her in the sense that there could possibly be some loose ends she could tie up if given more freedom--like if there is still evidence out there that she could destroy or move.

All MOO.

 

[spaz1959]

I feel as if we have entered the Twilight Zone of PURE ENTITLEMENT here.

All I can say is that MT is responsible for her own feelings and as a 45 year old woman should have these issues well under control (or so I should hope)! If she and her CT Court files tagged her for drug testing and psychological support then perhaps she doesn't have it all figured out yet and it was believed she needed support?

I do wonder reading all these posts from the media whether MT realises that she has been charged with Conspiracy to Commit Murder by the State of CT and other very serious crimes?

I do not hope we are going down the path of the next motion being for a psych exam to prove diminished capacity as if MT is worried about being 'humiliated and punished' for having the privilege of being out on bond then I'm really not sure what can be done to help her other then to be placed in the psych hospital for CT inmates.

Simply no more words for this as it seems absolutely out of touch given the circumstances. If these are the kinds of motions MT and Mama A feel entitled to then my strong guess is that Atty Bowman said, "good riddance to bad trash" as these ladies are simply delusional.

MOO

Are these women delusional or is the LE system in CT delusional? Where else could FD push the boundaries and system of security ankle systems? MT is just taking a page from FD. This is a very telling story of how the victim of a horrendous crime, has zilch rights in CT. Does the CT court system know we are talking about 3 individuals (now 2) accused of murder? The court system trying to punish and humiliate MT, because of her involvement in Jennifer D murder! What should the courts be doing, other than holding the individuals responsible, responsible? !

 

[Alathea]

How will she get to work? She doesn’t have a car

• Uber
• Taxi
• Lyft
• Buy a car; she owns a condo in CO still
• Rent a car

ETA: We should come up with 50 ways, and sing it to the tune of "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover"

 

[Alathea]

I think Troconis’s attorney has some fair points. There should be a reason for substance testing. There should be a released argument of her being a danger to the community. It is hard to believe the State found her more dangerous after AW3 compared to AW2. I don’t have any issue with her working, but I doubt CT does either. If she asks, they’d probably allow it in state.

I would agree that it might be fair to allow her the run of the State again might be reasonable. Depends what happens with similar defendants.

I don’t know if it’s fair to claim that CT is trying to punish, but if yes, that is not right prior to conviction.

On the other hand, it is hard to argue she’s not a flight risk. She has international ties. Her family is only visiting CT. By all appearances she only moved to CT herself to follow a man she called her ex and now he’s also dead. Bail reduces temptation to flee. The bracelet makes fleeing harder, monitoring easier, and could be moved to let the mark heal.

I don’t understand his point about her mention in Fotis’ last “all about poor me,” message. How is it exculpatory info regarding conspiracy? I think it only tells us about the subject of note: it’s author.

Troconis clearly did not give LE help locating Jennifer. I suspect she knows where she is, but even if she does not, she did not give answers to LE that could have helped them tighten the radius.

It is distasteful to talk about separation from her daughter, given her failure to help find Jennifer, to put it mildly. But I would consider some release conditions, if I were a judge. I would consider changes in whether she has to stay in her home, and whether she has to comply with drug testing, if her conditions are different from others.

MOO (Im ducking- I know she makes a lot of us angry, including me, and for good reason. Please don’t throw too much at me!)

I'm sure CT isn't punishing her, but instead has valid reason for that request.

It's most likely there IS a basis for the substance testing. It could be her past, her present - she did have to rush to the doctor after her one night in lockup - her statements, others' observations, or many other reasons.

When she was brought into jail she was probably tested, and if she tested positive, she'd need to continue testing.

The need to ensure that she is not using drugs is for her own safety - to avoid another suicide, for instance. It's also because she's a huge flight risk. It's also to protect the State if they bring her into the lockup as a drug user, and she has a reaction or withdrawals.

Regarding separating from her daughter: her daughter is free to visit her - unlike the 5 children who have lost their mother forever.

MT owns a condo in CO, which, if she needs the money so badly, she can sell.

She has far more freedom than most would in her situation.

 

[spaz1959]

• Uber
• Taxi
• Lyft
• Buy a car instead of getting hair done, etc
• Rent a car

Public Transportation

 

[isabella88]

Public Transportation

(MT clutches her pearls at the thought)

 

[Boxer]

House arrest is the norm for most bailed out people.
House arrest is meant to relieve the state of the cost of jailing a person.

The ankle bracelet Geo-locator is the trade made for her not to behind bars.
Even the accused in a simple felony burglary case can't expect to get a more liberal house arrest terms till closer to 6 months.
She isn't on bail, she is bailed to house arrest. Her terms are very standard.
Church, school, work, attorney, medical, daughter.

Both conspiracy and serving as an accomplice carry the same 25 minimum year sentence as murder. The only difference is that her charge is a Felony B not Felony A. With Felony B she can apply for parole after 85% of her sentence is served. 21.25 years.
Felony A does not get parole.

 

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Her transportation: one of her (magic) carpets??
MOO

 

[isabella88]

Her transportation: one of her (magic) carpets??
MOO

Maybe they can lend her FD's precious old bike.

 

[Annicade]

Holy smokes!!!!! Is it a full moon or what is going on with these people coming out of the the woodwork?!?!
This new celebrity attorney now wants his 15 minutes of fame and probably has been calling/knocking/signaling at MT's phone/door/monitoring bracelet. This one finally got to her after FD died....maybe concocted a good defense of what they could file to show some action cause she is now in the top seat. I'm thinking bowman was her best chance at a lighter sentence. Now we have one up Norm.

Are these women delusional or is the LE system in CT delusional? Where else could FD push the boundaries and system of security ankle systems? MT is just taking a page from FD. This is a very telling story of how the victim of a horrendous crime, has zilch rights in CT. Does the CT court system know we are talking about 3 individuals (now 2) accused of murder? The court system trying to punish and humiliate MT, because of her involvement in Jennifer D murder! What should the courts be doing, other than holding the individuals responsible, responsible? !

 

[spaz1959]

The MT atty motions make for very entertaining reading (attached above by @sds71 in reporters tweet). MT was mandated to comply with periodic drug testing and the AIC program. This apparently is irking MT. Do very much wonder where this particular bond condition came from? Atty Colangelo perhaps? Fd so far as we know did NOT have this condition in his bond. Do wonder about the MT history with drugs or psychological instability or DV? This condition is not added for 'no reason' so Atty Colangelo had a reason.

I'm surprised her atty isn't suggesting that MT actually participate in AIC. Reading through the offerings and given what we saw happen to Fd, it could very well benefit MT in terms of acclimating to her situation and preparing for trial and possible eventual lifetime incarceration. Fd might have been helped IMO by AIC as it looks to be a very comprehensive range of services provided free to people in MTs situation. Surprised she is so anti such a progressive option!

One of the more entertaining comparisons in the motions was to say that MT 'only' has 1,000SF condo while Fd had a 15,000SF house and because her space is less then she deserves greater freedom of movement. The complaint about her daughter being out of State is also within her control too so far as I see it. Simply have her daughter come and enrolled in Avon Public Schools or go back to EW School? The idea that just because her daughter is enrolled in school out of state and should be accommodated in this situation simply makes little sense as its a controllable variable in her life.

Motion actually mentions going to get groceries, walking in the yard and getting her hair cut! Not making any of this up BTW! They are requesting the removal of ALL non financial requirements in the Bond and it appears AIC as well. I do wonder if MT failed her drug test when she was booked for AW1 and that is why she got AIC and Fd did not.

We did get confirmation in this motion that MT IS a US Citizen. So, there is something useful in terms of information there to make it worth reading.


Alternative Incarceration Center in Connecticut | AIC

Info on AIC:

Specifically, AIC offers anger management counseling, drug and alcohol counseling, drug and alcohol urine and hair follicle testing, mental health counseling, and job retraining programs. At your first court date for Connecticut domestic violence arrest, the court can order you to attend these programs or report for random testing as a condition of your release.

MOO

You have got to be kidding me? I should file a motion against MT and her new attorney for all the mental anguish they're causing me. I'm unable to tap dance , then again I never could. ..

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I think you are missing the key point that Palmetto itself was looking to pull the bond as it realised there was insufficient collateral. IMO they were also doing this because they never should have written the bond in the first place as they, according to the whistleblower, didn't have sufficient cash reserves to make good on the payment. Rather that addressing the issue of their financial lack of strength it was easier to point to the fraudulent statements made in the bond package and void the bond that way.

Palmetto is not a global powerhouse financial services/insurance company and if you look at its ownership and capital its a very small privately owned company that IMO and the opinion of the whistleblower had no business issuing a bond for $6million in this case. Suggest a simple google stroll on the topic of Palmetto will tell you everything you need to know about whether they have the financial ability to make good on a $6 million bond. Fd didn't disclose the status of his assets and the AC situation is IMO highly suspect as well and the Atty. P. PI didn't even provide any financial information in his application.

MOO

Wow. Curiouser and curiouser. Could the Sunshine Laws reveal any information or would this be off limits?

 

[Jmoose]

• Uber
• Taxi
• Lyft
• Buy a car; she owns a condo in CO still
• Rent a car

ETA: We should come up with 50 ways, and sing it to the tune of "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover"

I mean, she could’ve always done that, but didn’t-she always used Fd’s cars.

 

[MemPat]

If you are going to compare FD to Scott Peterson -- a guilty man declared guilty and only fringe conspiracy theorists and those who practice daily denial think this man is not guilty of murdering his wife. You are a defense attorney's dream. An "inkling" of doubt sounds like unreasonable doubt. You seem to have unreasonable skepticism. There is rarely 100% certain of anything and if all jurors were like you, we would have far more Casey Anthonys and OJ Simpsons. I agree it tragic when an innocent person is convicted, but that is usually a matter of racism, faulty eye witnesses, and corruption. That wasn't going on here. A good shave with Occam's Razor might reveal some obvious truths. MOO.

Agreed.
"The possibility that something else could have happened" is a poor definition of reasonable doubt and would guarantee that no one would ever be convicted of a crime.

Scott Peterson's family has spent a ton of money trying to sell people on "possibilities" for which there has never been any evidence. Just because they get a reporter to occasionally jump on the bandwagon doesn't nudge him any closer to innocence.

Unless Jennifer slung her own blood in that garage, then cut her clothes off and cleaned up the scene with the case of paper towels, planted FD's DNA on her faucet, drove the various cars and the vintage bike in the right places at the right times, dressed up like FD and hired an MT look-alike for the Albany run, stole their cell phones and drew up some Alibi Scripts, there is no reasonable doubt that FD murdered her.

Is it possible that space aliens landed and did all that? Under your theory then, FD is innocent.

 

[spaz1959]

OK MT and attorneys comments making me nuts, so I want to ask a question?
Does anyone think LE has told GF what they think, or know happened to JD. Do you think GF would rather the remaining

 

[Deleted member 229974]

interview with MTs new attorney
Suspect in Jennifer Dulos case hires new attorney

Omg, he could pass for NP’s younger brother, minus the pony tail, of course.

 

[Boxer]

Agreed.
"The possibility that something else could have happened" is a poor definition of reasonable doubt and would guarantee that no one would ever be convicted of a crime.

Scott Peterson's family has spent a ton of money trying to sell people on "possibilities" for which there has never been any evidence. Just because they get a reporter to occasionally jump on the bandwagon doesn't nudge him any closer to innocence.

Unless Jennifer slung her own blood in that garage, then cut her clothes off and cleaned up the scene with the case of paper towels, drove the various cars and the vintage bike in the right places at the right times, dressed up like FD and hired an MT look-alike for the Albany run, stole their cell phones, drew up some Alibi Scripts, there is no reasonable doubt that FD murdered her.

Agree 100%

 

[MemPat]

I think Troconis’s attorney has some fair points. There should be a reason for substance testing. There should be a released argument of her being a danger to the community. It is hard to believe the State found her more dangerous after AW3 compared to AW2. I don’t have any issue with her working, but I doubt CT does either. If she asks, they’d probably allow it in state.

I would agree that it might be fair to allow her the run of the State again might be reasonable. Depends what happens with similar defendants.

I don’t know if it’s fair to claim that CT is trying to punish, but if yes, that is not right prior to conviction.

On the other hand, it is hard to argue she’s not a flight risk. She has international ties. Her family is only visiting CT. By all appearances she only moved to CT herself to follow a man she called her ex and now he’s also dead. Bail reduces temptation to flee. The bracelet makes fleeing harder, monitoring easier, and could be moved to let the mark heal.

I don’t understand his point about her mention in Fotis’ last “all about poor me,” message. How is it exculpatory info regarding conspiracy? I think it only tells us about the subject of note: it’s author.

Troconis clearly did not give LE help locating Jennifer. I suspect she knows where she is, but even if she does not, she did not give answers to LE that could have helped them tighten the radius.

It is distasteful to talk about separation from her daughter, given her failure to help find Jennifer, to put it mildly. But I would consider some release conditions, if I were a judge. I would consider changes in whether she has to stay in her home, and whether she has to comply with drug testing, if her conditions are different from others.

MOO (Im ducking- I know she makes a lot of us angry, including me, and for good reason. Please don’t throw too much at me!)

Not throwing anything.
Just quietly but thoroughly disagreeing.