Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #44

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OK MT and attorneys comments making me nuts, so I want to ask a question?
Does anyone think LE has told GF what they think, or know happened to JD. Do you think GF would rather the remaining
Sorry don't know what happened.
Do you think GF if given a choice of these two serving prison time, or one of them plea bargaining for little time in jail, and revealing where Jennifer remains were. Would she rather know, or rather these two served complete sentence, no plea bargaining. God, I hope this makes sense?
 
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In an interview Tuesday on WPLR’s Chaz and AJ Show, Pattis said the family “is clear that Mr. Dulos did not procure or arrange for the death of his wife.”

He said the case is not over “in a long shot ... it’s personal.”

On the note found at Fotis Dulos’ home ...

“I was struck by the fact of his great love and loyalty, even in the end, to Michele (Troconis) and his insistence that neither he or she had anything to do with Jennifer’s death.”

On Fotis Dulos’s suicide ...

“He killed himself, in part, because we abandoned our ideals. He was tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. Every inference was thrown against him.”

Pattis said “I didn’t see the suicide coming.”


‘The story that is yet to be told ...’

Pattis said Dulos “knew a story that has yet to be told and I think when that story is told a lot of people are going to wonder why we hounded this man unnecessary to death.”

Later, Pattis said, “There’s a larger story to tell and we’re eager to tell it. We thought a jury would be the place. Hopefully, it will still be. We’ll find a way ... I’m a pretty creative guy.”

He said, “We will get Mr. Dulos’ story out on what happened” on the day Jennifer Dulos went missing.

On the last conversation with Fotis Dulos ...

While not disclosing details of his client’s conversation, Pattis said “there was no question Mr. Dulos knew there was a realistic possibility of returning to prison that day.”


In a note found in his car, Dulos said: “I refuse to spend even an hour more in jail.”

On the state not disclosing its evidence ...

“We have still not been provided with discovery ... the state keeps its secrets, while gagging us.”

In a Fotis Dulos’ family statement, it called on state officials to release Jennifer Dulos’ medical records and psychiatric evaluations, “offering the public a chance to juxtapose them to those of Fotis.”

“We demand nothing less than the whole truth,” the family said.
Fotis Dulos attorney: Case not over in a long shot, ‘it’s personal’
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I continue to be curious about “the story yet to be told” that NP suggests will have us all second guessing our current beliefs. I cannot fathom any “story” (actually, that’s an interesting word choice...) that could reasonably explain away all the [still limited] evidence that has been shared with the public thus far but will continue to sit on the edge of my seat just in case.
 
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How will she get to work? She doesn’t have a car
Fly on her broom?
Are these women delusional or is the LE system in CT delusional? Where else could FD push the boundaries and system of security ankle systems? MT is just taking a page from FD. This is a very telling story of how the victim of a horrendous crime, has zilch rights in CT. Does the CT court system know we are talking about 3 individuals (now 2) accused of murder? The court system trying to punish and humiliate MT, because of her involvement in Jennifer D murder! What should the courts be doing, other than holding the individuals responsible, responsible? !
I think a little of both.
 
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No need to duck from me!! I agree that anger should be set aside when it comes to doing what is right in the justice system. (easier said than done, often!)

I suspect the drug testing is just there to irk MT more than anything, as I don't know of any evidence that she is a drug user.

I agree that she should be able to see her daughter, but it seems that she has been able to, so I'm not sure if that's much more than whining on her part.

While she may not be a danger to the community, I agree she is a flight risk. In addition, she may still be a danger to the case against her in the sense that there could possibly be some loose ends she could tie up if given more freedom--like if there is still evidence out there that she could destroy or move.

All MOO.


I agree on the seeing the daughter and on the whining because she wants to be able to go to out is annoying given that she can.

However, if there is no reason for drug testing, why do it? As taypayers we pay for it. I am sure the cost is not cheap even she has to put up money for it, the taypayers are paying the lionshare. That just feels wasteful given that she is not a known drug user.
 
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I think Troconis’s attorney has some fair points. There should be a reason for substance testing. There should be a released argument of her being a danger to the community. It is hard to believe the State found her more dangerous after AW3 compared to AW2. I don’t have any issue with her working, but I doubt CT does either. If she asks, they’d probably allow it in state.

I would agree that it might be fair to allow her the run of the State again might be reasonable. Depends what happens with similar defendants.

I don’t know if it’s fair to claim that CT is trying to punish, but if yes, that is not right prior to conviction.

On the other hand, it is hard to argue she’s not a flight risk. She has international ties. Her family is only visiting CT. By all appearances she only moved to CT herself to follow a man she called her ex and now he’s also dead. Bail reduces temptation to flee. The bracelet makes fleeing harder, monitoring easier, and could be moved to let the mark heal.

I don’t understand his point about her mention in Fotis’ last “all about poor me,” message. How is it exculpatory info regarding conspiracy? I think it only tells us about the subject of note: it’s author.

Troconis clearly did not give LE help locating Jennifer. I suspect she knows where she is, but even if she does not, she did not give answers to LE that could have helped them tighten the radius.

It is distasteful to talk about separation from her daughter, given her failure to help find Jennifer, to put it mildly. But I would consider some release conditions, if I were a judge. I would consider changes in whether she has to stay in her home, and whether she has to comply with drug testing, if her conditions are different from others.

MOO (Im ducking- I know she makes a lot of us angry, including me, and for good reason. Please don’t throw too much at me!)

All the other IMO 'nonsense' issues aside in the MT atty, bottom line MT is a flight risk and has huge incentive to figure out how to flee the jurisdiction.

Further, her ties via her father and family are to Venezuela with whom the US does have an extradition treaty in place but let's just say that it has been 'creatively interpreted' over the years and Venezuela isn't very cooperative or reliable with US requests to retrieve individuals subject to US LE actions due to ongoing chilly diplomatic relations.

I struggle with why the CT justice system should accommodate any requests from MT when she is also complaining about having to sit in a chair to charge her monitor every day? I believe this process takes 2 hrs in a 24 hr period and its simply too much for MT?

Reading through the MT laundry lists of gripes in the latest motion I do very much wonder if MT simply remains in a state of deep denial or some psychological state that has her unable to understand her current reality? The idea that everything from the bracelet charging time to not being able to grocery shop or walk outside or go to Starbucks has me wondering if instead of bracelet house arrest perhaps MT is so profoundly unstable or perhaps previously drug addicted that she should instead be shipped immediately?

Its quite concerning when someone via a motion appears to deny their current reality in such a way that their mental health could very well be so precarious that they need 24/7 monitoring and restraint along with medication.

I believe this is the CT option available for MT and I do hope the Judge presiding over the motion entertains the idea of sending MT there for a prolonged stay as she seems simply undone and unable to cope with being in her no doubt lovely condo.

Whiting Forensic Hospital

I believe her family has been able to put up nearly $600,000 in cash/collateral for her 3 bonds and they are also supporting her now with the 1,000SF 'tiny' condo where she feels she is being punished and persecuted for having to stay there while under house arrest. So few of the people in CT have the financial wherewithal to post bond and here we have a 45 year adult CHILD who by virtue of being able to afford an atty (also paid for by her parents) feels entitled to request removal of her monitoring bracelet!?!?

After the Fd suicide few things would shock me with this case and the MT mental and emotional state by virtue of her filing this motion have me very much wondering if the next step for the State might be to have a complete and thorough psych exam done of MT while she is inpatient at Whiting?

The motion we saw filed today to me doesn't sound like its coming from someone that is aware of their current reality and I hope the Judge asks serious questions about whether MT does in fact understand her current situation. I'm not convinced MT is with us here on earth or frankly on any planet close.

MOO
 
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Sorry don't know what happened.
Do you think GF if given a choice of these two serving prison time, or one of them plea bargaining for little time in jail, and revealing where Jennifer remains were. Would she rather know, or rather these two served complete sentence, no plea bargaining. God, I hope this makes sense?
I can't fathom what GF would want. I had to really think about this in context with some things in my own life. I am only speaking from my own point of view. I would rather defendants serve the rest of their lives in prison. Again, that is just me.
 
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I agree on the seeing the daughter and on the whining because she wants to be able to go to out is annoying given that she can.

However, if there is no reason for drug testing, why do it? As taypayers we pay for it. I am sure the cost is not cheap even she has to put up money for it, the taypayers are paying the lionshare. That just feels wasteful given that she is not a known drug user.


IMO there was a reason for the drug testing requirement for MT as no such conditions that we are aware of were attached to Fd release (in a way I wish he had received mandated counselling given everything that transpired). I can only imagine the motions Atty. P. would have filed on behalf of Fd if he had been sent to a similar program (sad thing was that IMO it might have just saved his life!).

We don't know what if any similar substance abuse conditions were attached to KM while in prison but he was moved to a location that offered drug and alcohol addiction support.

The idea that the State would attach random drug testing to MT to simply punish her is ludacris IMO. The State knows there is a cost to this and so acts accordingly. We also had the situation when MT was first arrested about her conduct in jail which was only lightly reported on but she was by all accounts hysterical for over 24hrs and this happened when she was in the Taj Mahal of jails in NC with full deli takeout and not a care in the world! I am sure that her behaviour was reported to the proper authorities and again provisions were made to make sure that her mental health was looked at on an ongoing basis. The State Atty also has interviewed MT at least 3 times and so has had the opportunity to interact with her over the course of many hours of intense interviews. I would think that this would give him a birds eye view of her mental state and perhaps he is simply concerned and wants to give her resources of support. Atty Colanagelo IMO did impose the conditions for a purpose and it was most likely to protect MT and NOT to punish her. I am sure that her drug history if it exists will be discussed in her hearing (possibly in chambers so we might not hear it in court).

Here is the MT AW1 mugshot for any of those that don't remember:
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MOO
 
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I do believe MT requested permission to pick up her daughter from the airport before, and she was given it.

Yes, I know-I was being sarcastic, because the request was posed to the court as if the only way MT could see her daughter was if she herself picked the daughter up.
 
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Prayer groups at Starbucks and the saloon?

Oh! She wants to work as in a job where you go somewhere and clock in and perform a duty? Good for her!
What working skills does she have? Did she attend college? All I’ve seen her do is ski, ride a horse, live with a married man, and assist in a murder cover up.
She’s still in la la land if she thinks anything is going to change by her hiring a new attorney. IMO
 
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I agree....and if the bracelet was removed...she would be gone in no time...fleeing real fast. IMO family already has the plans for this.

To a Snow Ski Resort, perhaps?

Oh, yeah, that's right. MT's baby daddy owns a Snow Ski Resort in Argentina.

IMO.
 
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IMO FD was only happy if he was able to manipulate people, especially women. Which means to me he most likely told MT lots of details about the murder of Jennifer. Why would he keep it from her? He needed a cohort. He had learned how to manipulate women. Why did she help him dispose of evidence? Because she was under his control due to her own psychological issues. He had no guilt, IMO, so I don't think he would have spilled his guts just to relieve his guilty conscience. JMO.
 
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@SabinaKuriakose
SCHOENHORN: Conditions of Troconis house arrest are unconstitutional, she lives in small condo and can't visit her 15 year old daughter

Well maybe if she didn’t have need to blow her cash on a big pile of bail she’d enjoy a larger, more constitutional condo. MOO LOL
 
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IMO there was a reason for the drug testing requirement for MT as no such conditions that we are aware of were attached to Fd release (in a way I wish he had received mandated counselling given everything that transpired). I can only imagine the motions Atty. P. would have filed on behalf of Fd if he had been sent to a similar program (sad thing was that IMO it might have just saved his life!).

We don't know what if any similar substance abuse conditions were attached to KM while in prison but he was moved to a location that offered drug and alcohol addiction support.

The idea that the State would attach random drug testing to MT to simply punish her is ludacris IMO. The State knows there is a cost to this and so acts accordingly. We also had the situation when MT was first arrested about her conduct in jail which was only lightly reported on but she was by all accounts hysterical for over 24hrs and this happened when she was in the Taj Mahal of jails in NC with full deli takeout and not a care in the world! I am sure that her behaviour was reported to the proper authorities and again provisions were made to make sure that her mental health was looked at on an ongoing basis. The State Atty also has interviewed MT at least 3 times and so has had the opportunity to interact with her over the course of many hours of intense interviews. I would think that this would give him a birds eye view of her mental state and perhaps he is simply concerned and wants to give her resources of support. Atty Colanagelo IMO did impose the conditions for a purpose and it was most likely to protect MT and NOT to punish her. I am sure that her drug history if it exists will be discussed in her hearing (possibly in chambers so we might not hear it in court).

Here is the MT AW1 mugshot for any of those that don't remember:
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MOO

Good thoughts @afitzy.

We might also point out that MT was taken to the hospital after her short incarceration following AW3. The drug test requirement was not initially announced during her courtroom stipulations for bail. Perhaps, there were concerns about her behavior and a test was requested after her bail hearing. The public was told that it was a "routine" stop for an evaluation that couldn't be conducted at the prison where she had spent the night.

If I remember correctly, Attorney Bowman left the court without going to the hospital. There were no comments from him after that hearing. The drug testing seems to have been after the visit to the hospital. I'm sure the general public won't know why, but there must have been a reason for that decision...IMO...MOO

The court, IMO, will remain cautious after having one defendant take his life. Correctly evaluating a suspect's mental state and drug usage should be primary in keeping the suspect safe.
 
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BBM. Excellent points, Tink.

It would be good to hear from others who have had bond conditions put on them. MT has no idea how easy she has it.

Many in CT out on bond for far lesser crimes than conspiracy to murder have conditions far more stringent than MT does.

She could have a curfew put upon her. She could have to attend anger management or job training classes. She could be required to keep a job. So many things she's getting away with - that others in CT do not.

Maybe it's worth an article... but she has been, and Fd was, treated like special little celebrities, not like the accused murderers they are/were.
Good thoughts @afitzy. We might also point out that MT was taken to the hospital after her short incarceration following AW3. The drug test requirement was not initially announced during her courtroom stipulations for bail. Perhaps, there were concerns about her behavior and a test was requested after her bail hearing. The public was told that it was a "routine" stop for an evaluation that couldn't be conducted at the prison where she had spent the night.

If I remember correctly, Attorney Bowman left the court without going to the hospital. There were no comments from him after that hearing. The drug testing seems to have been after the visit to the hospital. I'm sure the general public won't know why, but there must have been a reason for that decision...IMO...MOO

The court, IMO, will remain cautious after having one defendant take his life. Correctly evaluating a suspect's mental state and drug usage should be primary in keeping the suspect safe.
 
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  • Uber
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  • Buy a car; she owns a condo in CO still
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ETA: We should come up with 50 ways, and sing it to the tune of "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover"
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