Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #46

[NCmom99]

MOO I think it is very understandable that MT wants to get the artistic photos back. She wouldn't want them to fall into the wrong hands, especially if some of whatever is left at the house might ultimately be auctioned off - imagine who might want to collect these as souvenirs given her notoriety! And depending on the buyer's opinion of her, they could be creatively re-purposed into anything from a dartboard to a blow up doll.

Scratching my head though at many of the other items. Perhaps there are a few other material things of sentimental value that remind her of happier times - but that many?? IMO her ability and interest in making such an extensive list is an interesting reflection on the extent to which she is (or is not) grieving the loss of an actual person, not to mention a person she was supposed to be in love with for the last few years.

 

[Woodswarrior]

Respectfully, not everything comes down to how we perceive our own experiences. JD was trapped into an unimaginable situation. I can only assume that in your marriage and ensuing "uncontested" divorce you were not an abusive, dangerous, sociopathic narcissist as JD knew FD to be. She literally feared for her life, and said so on numerous occasions. I'm sure your spouse did not fear for theirs. Therefore "normal" descriptions of "driving each other crazy" divorces do not really fit into the FD/JD discussion. IMO.

like I said to all who want to beat me up for saying they were driving each other crazy.my post clearly stated fd pain was self inflicted.You can drive a someone crazy when doing the the right thing as jd was!
Eta she was doing the right thing

 

[BUF]

Were MT’s artistic pictures still up when AC moved in?

 

[Alathea]

Just want to point out that FDs last instructions to his lawyers was not his suicide note.

Hi Nikynoo. Just curious what you meant by "instructions to his lawyers," as it seemed in this case the lawyers had instructions for the client for most of the last month or so.

Do you think Fd gave Norm Pattis instructions to his lawyers "in case of" his death?

Do you think NP had some inkling that Fd might kill himself? I wondered about that, too.

 

[NCmom99]

Were MT’s artistic pictures still up when AC moved in?

***
excellent question!

 

[Woodswarrior]

I totally understand where you are coming from. I would venture to say that is fairly typical of a lot of divorces. But when trying to divorce and escape a total psycho who only loves himself, his money and his things (in which order, I’m not sure), just “driving each other crazy” would be a welcome situation.

Yes I agree. My post didn’t just say just that it also stated that fd caused his own pain and made a Conscious decision to cross the line to premeditated murder

 

[Dacaesar]

like I said to all who want to beat me up for saying they were driving each other crazy.my post clearly stated fd pain was self inflicted.You can drive a someone crazy when doing the the right thing as jd was!

I was not "beating you up" in the least. You framed the discussion as it pertained to your amicable divorce. I just responded that this may not be all that relevant to the JD/FD divorce. However, now you certainly seem to be beating the veritable dead horse as you continue to insist that the phrase "driving someone crazy" as it pertained to JD was a positive thing. All on its own, when one is said to be driving someone else crazy, the phrase may tend to have a negative connotation. No? IMO - I'm done with this. Carry on.

 

[BUF]

Do we all think KM’s hearing next week will be a 60 sec not guilty one, or do you think anything more will come of it?

He’s been locked up for over a month now...with his cellmate.

 

[sleuth66]

Really that’s how your going to twist around that I said they were driving each other crazy? By stating I was blaming the victim!!!
You can drive someone crazy even though your doing the right thing. I clearly stated in my post that fd pain was self inflicted. It what way was that blaming jd? Moo

Are we driving each other crazy, here on the list, debating whether other people were driving each other crazy?
Just a question, no need to reply.

 

[Alathea]

You're right, of course, but also I think it's a serious situation where there could be an attempt at hiding evidence. MT may know of evidence that points her to the crime, and she has not yet been back in that house to hide or dispose of it.

The more items on the list, of course, the more obscured the important or evidentiary item/s would be.

LE needs to inspect every item she wants and make sure that there is NO chance there is any connection to Jennifer's murder. Is there something hidden in any of them (lemon juicer and nudes not included)?

This is all beside the fact that many of those items were likely left in the house by Jennifer, and were indeed Jennifer's items. But, just as Mt wanted Jennifer's husband for herself, to the point she was IMO willing to plan and help with her murder - she also would want any last item that was Jennifer's, now that she can no longer have her man.

RTMOPTA (since it's too late to edit):

What if MT knew that there was some evidence still in the house that implicated her, but not Fd? Something she wanted Fd to get rid of, but he would/did not?

Didn't MT willingly move out before the no-contact ban? I thought there were moving vans, even.

Why didn't she take whatever was hers when she moved out with the trucks? If she forgot something, why didn't she ask Fd for it before the no-contact ban, or friends/relatives/her lawyer/the police for it after the no-contact ban?

 

[citygirl]

Thank you. We can discuss Fd all we want (and I'm sure we will still do so), but there are active cases going on which could use a lot more thought.

I was thinking yesterday what MT's situation was prior to Jennifer's murder. Then my thoughts turned to initial motive on her part.

Here she was living with him, including towels and lemon squeezer, obviously pretty seriously setting up house. So serious, she bought a ladder, and moved her precious dining-ware with her. Her nudes were carefully hung in the bedroom.

She didn't have to pay any rent, and on top of that she had money funneled to her via the company Fd set up the year he married Jennifer. Her trips were paid for by the Farber money. Her daughter had her things there, as well. For all we know, the Farber money was also largely supporting MT's daughter.

She had it really, really good.

She felt she "had" Fd.

But did she? Did she suspect that she was losing him to someone else - someone smarter, richer, better-connected, and prettier?

Did MT realize the money train from the Farbers would not last that long if Fd and Jennifer simply divorced - and fear losing Fd, as well as her lovely, lazy, luxurious lifestyle?

And even if she "had" Fd - did she really? When Fd was visiting the children, she was still not part of his life - and wouldn't be even after the divorce, if it were stipulated that she was not to be around them. They were constant companions - that must have driven her crazy. And beautiful, talented Jennifer - what if Fd went back to her some day? What was happening (in MT's mind) when Fd went down to NC without MT?

Was it MT's suggestion initially to murder Jennifer? "What if we..." - and then start plotting it? Or did they come up with it together? If they were in it together, they'd have their big secret for the rest of their lives, right? Perhaps with KM's help, of course. The treacherous triumvirate.

Surely, Fd had a lot more to lose than Mt did by murdering Jennifer, IMO.

Yikes.
So many good and unanswered questions.
I wonder if we will ever know?
I was blown away to read that AC moved in in July.
Not long after Jennifer disappeared?
As far as we know MT was still misleading LE?
Can't recall when she finally fessed up she had been lying?
No showering on that fateful morning?
FD's phone alarm set for 4-4:30 am.
Did she really take her daughter to school that morning?
Did she pick her up after school?
Have they verified she was on her phone the entire time she was on the Albany Ave. spree?

So many unanswered questions.

Patiently waiting for Mr Colangelo or his appointee to fill in the blanks.

MOO.

 

[sleuth66]

MOO I think it is very understandable that MT wants to get the artistic photos back. She wouldn't want them to fall into the wrong hands, especially if some of whatever is left at the house might ultimately be auctioned off - imagine who might want to collect these as souvenirs given her notoriety! And depending on the buyer's opinion of her, they could be creatively re-purposed into anything from a dartboard to a blow up doll.

Scratching my head though at many of the other items. Perhaps there are a few other material things of sentimental value that remind her of happier times - but that many?? IMO her ability and interest in making such an extensive list is an interesting reflection on the extent to which she is (or is not) grieving the loss of an actual person, not to mention a person she was supposed to be in love with for the last few years.

The extensive list of items requested by MT suggests that either 1)When JD's movers came, major items like the living room furniture and kitchen supplies went with JD down to NC, because no doubt she paid for them, and FD charged MT with refurnishing, which she did on her "own" dime (or perhaps moved up her furniture from FL);
or 2) when MT moved in they got rid of the "old" furnishings from when JD lived there, and MT went to town decorating the castle in her own style.

I did find it odd that MT requested only 3 gray towels, and one set of sheets- did they only have one towel for each of them, FD, MT and daughter; and one set of sheets for the beds? Or did FD make MT contribute 50-50 to household items? What did they do when guests came, did FD use "his" sheets and towels for them? Just looks very strange.

I felt from the start that the long list of lemon squeezers, wastebaskets, three towels, wooden spoons and yoga mats must be laying the groundwork for something. Is MT going to say that SHE was supporting FD? On her $4K/month child support payments? On Mama A's credit card? On the winnings from her fabric/rug business on a private IG site?
After all, FD stopped paying the mortgage in 2018, and beyond the credit card bills for the plane tickets to Greece and Spain and the 5 star hotel and spa visits in FL, which were FDs business expenses of course, it looks like she was providing the silver spoons (Grandma's of course- as well as the plastic spoons).

Surprised she did not include paper towels, plastic trash bags, and vacuum cleaner (broken, during cleaning of 80MS not cleaning Jennifer) on her list...Certainly FD owes her a few of those items does he not?

 

[Woodswarrior]

I was not "beating you up" in the least. You framed the discussion as it pertained to your amicable divorce. I just responded that this may not be all that relevant to the JD/FD divorce. However, now you certainly seem to be beating the veritable dead horse as you continue to insist that the phrase "driving someone crazy" as it pertained to JD was a positive thing. All on its own, when one is said to be driving someone else crazy, the phrase may tend to have a negative connotation. No? IMO - I'm done with this. Carry on.

I did not frame the discussion with that post. I was defending myself for a continuing ridicule from my earlier post with that post.unless you read every post I had to send to defend myself you wouldn’t know that. I’m done also thank you.
Mo

 

[sleuth66]

I don't think the smashing of plates on Greek Easter holds any sentimental value for MT, especially when those plates are listed with a bunch of other random kitchen items.

I think it's hilarious she listed 12, but made sure to point out that she isn't sure how many are left because she let FD smash them for Easter.

Thanks to Zorba's Dance Restaurant in the UK for helping me to understand the symbolic meaning and ritual of plate smashing in Greek tradition. No wonder MT wants what is left of the plates back!

"Greek tradition has it that this practice started when a rich family invited a much poorer family to dinner and to make them feel better invited them to break the plates. They were proving that friendship is everything. And there�s no better way of proving that than dining with friends over Greek food.

In its earliest form, plate smashing may be a survival of the ancient custom of ritually "killing" the ceramic vessels used for feasts commemorating the dead. The voluntary breaking of plates, which is a type of controlled loss, may also have helped participants in dealing with the deaths of their loved ones, a loss which they could not control."
Plate Smashing - The Greek Tradition | Zorbas Dance Restaurant | Greek Entertainment And Mediterranean Cuisine

 

[Wicked Strong]

Thanks to Zorba's Dance Restaurant in the UK for helping me to understand the symbolic meaning and ritual of plate smashing in Greek tradition. No wonder MT wants what is left of the plates back!

"Greek tradition has it that this practice started when a rich family invited a much poorer family to dinner and to make them feel better invited them to break the plates. They were proving that friendship is everything. And there�s no better way of proving that than dining with friends over Greek food.

In its earliest form, plate smashing may be a survival of the ancient custom of ritually "killing" the ceramic vessels used for feasts commemorating the dead. The voluntary breaking of plates, which is a type of controlled loss, may also have helped participants in dealing with the deaths of their loved ones, a loss which they could not control."
Plate Smashing - The Greek Tradition | Zorbas Dance Restaurant | Greek Entertainment And Mediterranean Cuisine

So if she gets ownership of the remaining plates, can we assume she will "kill" the rest of the ceramic vessels to help her deal with FD's death. LOL. However, thanks for the explanation of the tradition.

MOO

 

[sleuth66]

Are we driving each other crazy, here on the list, debating whether other people were driving each other crazy?
Just a question, no need to reply.

Oh dear, now we are talking about beating each other up, on a list about a woman who was beaten to death by her husband.

I was not "beating you up" in the least. You framed the discussion as it pertained to your amicable divorce. I just responded that this may not be all that relevant to the JD/FD divorce. However, now you certainly seem to be beating the veritable dead horse as you continue to insist that the phrase "driving someone crazy" as it pertained to JD was a positive thing. All on its own, when one is said to be driving someone else crazy, the phrase may tend to have a negative connotation. No? IMO - I'm done with this. Carry on.

 

[acutename]

She wants the bathroom trash bins. lol. I’m being petty I know but omg

Yeah that’s a great point. Is she so broke she can’t buy new everyday goods?

weird.... is she trying to live in some past domestic life? Or did FD have her use her $100K FORE "salary" to furnish the house? >sigh<

 

[acutename]

“His last instructions were to make sure that his name was cleared and that he was exonerated,” Smith said.
Fight for Fotis Dulos’ assets — including family cat — begins in probate court

Wait...so does this mean they knew he was going to kill himself as a way out?
My opinion only.

did he text them or something?

 

[Jmoose]

RTMOPTA (since it's too late to edit):

What if MT knew that there was some evidence still in the house that implicated her, but not Fd? Something she wanted Fd to get rid of, but he would/did not?

Didn't MT willingly move out before the no-contact ban? I thought there were moving vans, even.

Why didn't she take whatever was hers when she moved out with the trucks? If she forgot something, why didn't she ask Fd for it before the no-contact ban, or friends/relatives/her lawyer/the police for it after the no-contact ban?

I don’t know, I think it was after the no-contact ban when she moved her physical self out. Or maybe I’m confusing this with the time she and her family supposedly went and got “all” of her stuff.

 

[sleuth66]

So if she gets ownership of the remaining plates, can we assume she will "kill" the rest of the ceramic vessels to help her deal with FD's death. LOL. However, thanks for the explanation of the tradition.

MOO

Well I was thinking more about the rich family (Farber) inviting the poor family (Dulos) over, the way the tradition helps deal with a loss one cannot control (of kids, finances, marriage) and the fact that this alleged plate smashing on Greek Easter occurred just a few weeks before JD disappeared.
But maybe the plates will help MT cope with the "loss" of FD. Maybe the lemon squeezer will come in handy with this too?