Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47

[CTGrammy]

Not only where he might have known cameras were, but for which vehicle the plates were placed on...which may tie accomplices to this, hence conspiracy to commit murder charge(s).

As all of us, eagerly awaiting more info.

What IF MT's finger prints are on those plates and on the tape used on those plates?

That would prove her conspiracy to commit murder charge since this charge requires the conspiracy to commit to be BEFORE a murder could or would take place.

I have Never understood the disposal of these plates. WHY Not take the tape off and place them back where they were being stored at 4JC? Instead, Fd shoves them down a storm drain in a FedEx Box, with the Tape STILL ON THEM??? It is ludicrous.

I do However, believe the plates were used on EE's red Toyota truck. Fd would have known there were camera's up and down the roads to and from NC. Fd's Whole Premise was that he Never left Farmington that Friday. If Fd's own Ford Raptor is already being used by EE in NC that day and does show up on CCTV that very day, then there is NO Plausible Reason for EE's own red Toyota to also be in NC or anywhere other than where he left it, in Farmington.

It was IMPERATIVE for Fd to disguise the plates on EE's red Toyota Truck.

I also do not believe that MT was Anywhere Near NC that day. We already see that Fd had a Difficult time with leaving His DNA at 69/71 WL. There is No Way that Fd would have brought in another 'factor' that he would have no control over any evidence they might leave behind. In addition a Second person that Could Be Seen in NC that day and in an Fd vehicle with correct vehicle tags? I just do not see a second Fd vehicle in NC.

I believe the AW3 noted the Fd Suburban with damage, on Thurton Drive was due to his Recon mission on Wednesday before Visitation with the children. I could say after, but it would have been dark by then.

We KNOW that Fd drove his Suburban for the Visitation since he would have to seat 5 children, at least 1 court supervisor, and Fd himself, that was to be AWAY from 69/71WL. That is 7 people and the ONLY Fd vehicle that will seat 7 people, is his Suburban.

This leads me to believe that Fd was on a Recon Mission on the Wednesday of the Visitation in Question. Show up earlier in the day and drive around the area to check everything out. Then show up 30 minutes early at 69/71WL to stand around 'on his phone' while he waited for the court supervisor to show at 4:30. The entire 30 minutes being used to 'scope out' the lay of the land. Then later, possibly 'watching' a child enter the garage code to retrieve a basketball for them to play with in the driveway.

IMO.

 

[CTGrammy]

Questions regarding phone pings:
How far apart are the cell towers in this area?

Is it possible the ping to Birch St. Bristol was
actually from a phone positioned 2-3 miles
away and not actually on Birch St.?

Who's phone pinged on Birch St. ? Do we know?

There is a tool rental at Home Depot on Farmington Ave. Bristol, only 2-3 mi. from
Birch St. And they rent Wood Chippers that
chip/shred branches up to 2 inches.
Could someone have been returning the portable chipper?

There's also a True Value Hdwre about 2-3 mi.
away from Birch St. and they rent small
excavators like payloaders, bulldozers, etc.

I also found the FD neighbors J. M@nafQrts,
previously owned property near Birch St.

Birch St. could also have been used to go the back way to get back on 84 towards Tolland
where MT crashed on 5/18.

EXACTLY.

The address we are given in the Search Warrants are for the Cell Towers for a particular Area. Cell Towers tend to have their Own addresses. But, since they are not actual homes/businesses, this is Why we cannot pinpoint them with Known addresses on a map. They are Not going to have the address of the home or business that it is sitting next to the tower. So, to us, it looks like a random location. And, since every home or business does not have it's own cell tower, a cell tower would be for a specific Area.

With the SW requesting the 30 minute time frame for each tower, that is going to be a heck of a job pinpointing certain phones out of the multitude of phone pings off that single cell tower during that 30 minute window.

In addition. The fact that LE is Very Specific in Which Cell Towers they have requested from, tells us that LE Already Has the Info and they just want to put the nail in the coffin with additional evidence that someone's cell phone was in That Area. The Info LE Already Has is more than likely CCTV and/or Video Cam footage and they just want to Prove what they are seeing on the video, by actually placing their phones in that exact area, as well.

IMO.

 

[Diddian]

I am thinking some more about those plates...the police always have the parameters on the LPRs set to alert when a plate is seen on an unregistered vehicle. Let’s suppose that my cop friend is correct about the reader maybe not recognizing the tape on the doctored plates, so that it reads as the original licensed plate-which should have appeared on a registered vehicle, but it did not. Shouldn’t that have gotten somebody’s attention? I mean, Fd had to have encountered at least one license plate reader between Farmington and New Canaan on that Friday. I wonder if that means the plates were used on a vehicle that didn’t travel far, to lessen the odds of detection by a license plate reader. Is it possible that Fd would have used a vehicle bearing these doctored plates to dispose of Jennifer? Could he or would he have really done that and taken such a chance? And if not, what on earth would he have used the plates on?

Please excuse me if I'm misunderstanding, but the doctored plate was for a vehicle for which the registration had been cancelled (a 2007 Suburban, IIRC). I assume that means that older vehicle had been sold or traded in, so was now registered under a new owner with newer license plates.

So, even if a LPR read the plates on whatever vehicle FD used those doctored plates on as the actual, undoctored number, I would expect that it would raise LE suspicion because that registration was no longer active and those plates - even with their original number - should not have been on any vehicle.

 

[sleuth66]

What IF MT's finger prints are on those plates and on the tape used on those plates?

That would prove her conspiracy to commit murder charge since this charge requires the conspiracy to commit to be BEFORE a murder could or would take place.

I have Never understood the disposal of these plates. WHY Not take the tape off and place them back where they were being stored at 4JC? Instead, Fd shoves them down a storm drain in a FedEx Box, with the Tape STILL ON THEM??? It is ludicrous.

I do However, believe the plates were used on EE's red Toyota truck. Fd would have known there were camera's up and down the roads to and from NC. Fd's Whole Premise was that he Never left Farmington that Friday. If Fd's own Ford Raptor is already being used by EE in NC that day and does show up on CCTV that very day, then there is NO Plausible Reason for EE's own red Toyota to also be in NC or anywhere other than where he left it, in Farmington.

It was IMPERATIVE for Fd to disguise the plates on EE's red Toyota Truck.

I also do not believe that MT was Anywhere Near NC that day. We already see that Fd had a Difficult time with leaving His DNA at 69/71 WL. There is No Way that Fd would have brought in another 'factor' that he would have no control over any evidence they might leave behind. In addition a Second person that Could Be Seen in NC that day and in an Fd vehicle with correct vehicle tags? I just do not see a second Fd vehicle in NC.

I believe the AW3 noted the Fd Suburban with damage, on Thurton Drive was due to his Recon mission on Wednesday before Visitation with the children. I could say after, but it would have been dark by then.

We KNOW that Fd drove his Suburban for the Visitation since he would have to seat 5 children, at least 1 court supervisor, and Fd himself, that was to be AWAY from 69/71WL. That is 7 people and the ONLY Fd vehicle that will seat 7 people, is his Suburban.

This leads me to believe that Fd was on a Recon Mission on the Wednesday of the Visitation in Question. Show up earlier in the day and drive around the area to check everything out. Then show up 30 minutes early at 69/71WL to stand around 'on his phone' while he waited for the court supervisor to show at 4:30. The entire 30 minutes being used to 'scope out' the lay of the land. Then later, possibly 'watching' a child enter the garage code to retrieve a basketball for them to play with in the driveway.

IMO.

I am also inclined towards most of your analysis here.

I do think it likely that MTs triple alibi (the AW mentions that she had first, second and third alibis during the murder window that morning) held up, for a few reasons.

First, the AW is tightly built on getting MT to turn on her assertion that she did or did not see FD at 4JC that morning. First she had the shower story, which LE told her they could disprove. The whole back and forth of the 3 interviews focused on whether MT saw FD (and KM) at 4 JC. If LE thought she wasn’t actually there, her testimony of whether or not she saw FD there would be moot. Given the heavy weight in the AWs to MTs vacillation over whether she saw FD and KM at 4JC that am makes you think LE verified her alibis.

Second, her robot Marty photo alibi would be an odd one to use if she couldn’t corroborate it, was she going to try to pass off a photo with the robot taken on a different day? Or tell them she took a photo but somehow it got erased? I bet she had that photo on her home screen for her phone!
She also volunteered, without being asked, what she was wearing that day so as to be found on the S&S surveillance from that morning. Again an odd thing to volunteer if it wouldn’t be validated.
There is also the potential slip that KM made, when asked if he answered a call that morning and he said “why would I direct someone to answer a phone?” And LE has to keep reminding him that was not the question, they were asking if HE had answered a phone. MT reported that KM had directed her to answer the incoming phone call, when KM both times denied he had seen MT that morning. So that seems another hint that MT was there with KM.

I also agree that FD would not have brought a 2nd person along to the Welles garage. He needed to be stealth and make quick decisions as he snuck up there. I think in order to keep his alibi tight, he probably wanted to be out of there as fast as he could. As we learned shortly before he killed himself, FD acted all big and confident but inside he was scared $&#+less. I’m sure he was edgy as &# during the time down in N.C. that day. Malignant narcs are raging control freaks under such situations and they can erase and rewrite anything in their own minds when needed. Thus his need to carry out this part on his own and have it done with. Plus, he needed someone to run the alibi plan and take the phonecall back at 4JC and that was perfect for MT.

I also think it likely that the doctored plates were used on the red truck that day. They had not only blue tape, but also clear adhesive on them. That would make it hard for FD to scrape it off, so he had to ditch them in the drain, and it also meant he had them tightly prepped well in advance, for the adhesive to dry. If he was using them on a long highway trip, he’d need them to be sealed up good. (I wonder how long in advance he planned that date, and whether he considered the weather at all). He knew he was going to leave the red truck along Lapham, and he couldn’t risk anyone tying the plates back to EE and possibly calling him or his wife about it. As for the license plate readers, they seem to be affixed to CSP (and some local) police vehicles, so while risky on the Merritt, I don’t frequently see CSP patrol cars when driving on the Merritt (although maybe there are more undercover than I know!). Whether FD was savvy enough to research or think about that, we don’t know, but it seems he kept to a very controlled 60mph on the trip.

I wonder if FDs Suburban was spotted on Thurton one of the mornings earlier that week at school drop off time. It seems like he would want to know pretty precisely when JD left and returned in the morning. Of course it would have been more convenient for him to arrive early and scope out the house from Thurton on the 22nd. But NCPD expanded their ask for video surveillance to May 19 so perhaps he was spotted earlier that week. It is notable that the crash happened on 5/18 and that they asked for surveillance back to 5/19 so might mean they were looking for a black Suburban with crash damage on any of those other days.

It has been said here that a Welles/Thurton neighbor has him on camera sneaking through the woods. I wonder where he left the bike and how he circled back to pick it up. Where on Weed St was the bike video taken? Did he sneak through Indian Waters or did he go all the way to Welles and somehow sneak around there? The AW says “consisten with a 20 minute bike ride between Waveny and Welles”. If he snuck through Indian Waters he’d have to go back and pick up his bike there on the way to Waveny in JD car. Otherwise he’d have to go back and get it after leaving her car at Waveny. Her phone was turned off at Waveny at 11:08 and he was seen passing N.C. rest stop on the Merritt at 11:12 so he must have left straight from Lapham.

Let’s also think about, if he picked up his bike on the way back to Waveny, then the bike would have been on top of the body in the back. Upon arriving at Waveny, he then would have taken out the bike, providing a convenient decoy for passing traffic, while he transferred the body into the Tacoma. It sounds like LE, based on MT answers (ie, “blood in the door”), believes the body was inside the truck, not under the bike in the bed. There were some lumpy things visible under the bike in the bed in the AW photos, but those could have been the cleanup bags.
This would also explain why FD parked the red truck the wrong way facing traffic on Lapham. That way, the passenger side door faces the road, so he could pull JDs Suburban alongside in the pullout (in the AW you can see he parked the Tacoma far over with a lot of space to pull up next to) and open the passenger side door to slip the body in there.

This is all MOO.

 

[acutename]

IMO, FD must have done something with JD's body before the trash dumpings on Albany Ave.
Makes no sense to dump the bags and to go have coffee, if the body is still in an obvious spot, IMO. Narrows the time line. Do we think that KM moved it?

 

[sleuth66]

Interesting possibility. A few years ago, we owned a rural property which we used as a weekend home since it was in close proximity to the ocean. The home used a septic system and the previous owner told us there was a covered "perc hole" that was narrow in diameter, but deep and it was located in a partially wooded area at some distance from where the septic tank and drainfield were actually installed. Apparently that "perc hole" was just one of the locations that had been considered for installing the septic system, but that location wasn't chosen. We looked extensively in the area the previous owner specified, but could never find it.

If a septic system company were involved in conducting any perc tests for replacing small with larger septic systems on FORE Group developed properties, they may be able to identify where such tests might have been conducted - likely cleared areas or near edges of cleared areas at specified distances from any wells or pipes that carry or are planned to carry potable water.

Disposal in such an old well or septic perc hole would make sense. 80MS was an old property that FD renovated. I wonder if there is an old septic or other hole/line on the property, he would know about that. This would be a good avenue to explore.

there is also that creepy old abandoned zoo someone wrote about, in Farmington on Rt 6, Shade Swamp, with the tunnels to drop down food into the cages. But more likely I think on one of his properties, since many of them along MS were existing old homes that he updated/rebuilt (this would include 80MS and 77MS too I believe). And LE thinks he was there at 80MS all afternoon (per AW).

What also makes me think this could be a likely disposal plan is the presence of one of the black plastic bags from Albany, with red/brown stains and black tape on interior, corner tied in a knot and bag torn open. With both L and R middle finger prints of FD. This leads to believe that he carried something bloody in that bag and then tore it open. This could be consistent with a very gruesome type of disposal down a drain or sink hole type situation. Also consistent with making smaller pieces for ease of transport and disposal. Terrible to have to be considering stuff like this.
I’m sure LE has already thought about all of this. Colangelo said they have more video and some more DNA evidence that isn’t in the warrants, “didn’t make it into the warrants”. But he made it sound like most of the evidence is already in the warrants.

 

[Diddian]

Disposal in such an old well or septic perc hole would make sense. 80MS was an old property that FD renovated. I wonder if there is an old septic or other hole/line on the property, he would know about that. This would be a good avenue to explore.

there is also that creepy old abandoned zoo someone wrote about, in Farmington on Rt 6, Shade Swamp, with the tunnels to drop down food into the cages. But more likely I think on one of his properties, since many of them along MS were existing old homes that he updated/rebuilt (this would include 80MS and 77MS too I believe). And LE thinks he was there at 80MS all afternoon (per AW).

What also makes me think this could be a likely disposal plan is the presence of one of the black plastic bags from Albany, with red/brown stains and black tape on interior, corner tied in a knot and bag torn open. With both L and R middle finger prints of FD. This leads to believe that he carried something bloody in that bag and then tore it open. This could be consistent with a very gruesome type of disposal down a drain or sink hole type situation. Also consistent with making smaller pieces for ease of transport and disposal. Terrible to have to be considering stuff like this.
I’m sure LE has already thought about all of this. Colangelo said they have more video and some more DNA evidence that isn’t in the warrants, “didn’t make it into the warrants”. But he made it sound like most of the evidence is already in the warrants.

I agree that it seems more likely he'd utilize one of his own properties for disposal than an outside one. FD liked to be in control, so IMO he would want as much control as possible over the site when he is making his advance plans as well as when he is carrying them out. And he'd want to know if investigators were getting close to the disposal location he picked, so a site close to home would fit the bill.

IMO dismemberment with disposal down a hole and lime on top to quicken or conceal signs of decomposition seem a strong possibility. IMO, the clothing would have been removed and discarded to increase exposure of tissues to the lime. And I agree that this is a gruesome and sickening thing to have to consider.

I wonder if FD and MT were fans of the Hannibal TV series, given that the use of plastic ponchos sort of resembles Hannibal's use of a plastic kill suit.

 

[Nocturnal19]

@alkalai13 from prior thread:

Since it's been mentioned what a ghost town Bishop's Corner can be at night, I will say that Starbucks is usually also dead on a Friday around 7. Crown Market next door closes early for Shabbat, so the parking lot behind the building is pretty deserted.

Not sure why the Crossroads Plaza address is used for the cell tower SW though. Also not sure if 26 actually corresponds to a business or not.

This got me thinking: in that plaza there are TWO post offices... USPS and UPS, as well as the Starbucks mentioned across the street. The altered plates recovered from the storm drain were in a FedEx box... I wonder if he made a special trip to go get one at some point? Or, if the box itself had any identifying information on it? If he got a fresh box, there must be surveillance in a store somewhere ...It would be interesting to have insight into how premeditated this all was.

 

[RoosterRock]

I agree that it seems more likely he'd utilize one of his own properties for disposal than an outside one. FD liked to be in control, so IMO he would want as much control as possible over the site when he is making his advance plans as well as when he is carrying them out. And he'd want to know if investigators were getting close to the disposal location he picked, so a site close to home would fit the bill.

IMO dismemberment with disposal down a hole and lime on top to quicken or conceal signs of decomposition seem a strong possibility. IMO, the clothing would have been removed and discarded to increase exposure of tissues to the lime. And I agree that this is a gruesome and sickening thing to have to consider.

I wonder if FD and MT were fans of the Hannibal TV series, given that the use of plastic ponchos sort of resembles Hannibal's use of a plastic kill suit.

I am also wondering if he made use of the many stonewalls. Dig a hole before hand cover with wood put stones back. Many long stone walls in CT make several holes. Would be easy to slide the body in especially if cut into pieces and pour lime over and cover with dirt and replace the stones on the walls. No one would notice.....just a thought.....

 

[enelram]

Please excuse me if I'm misunderstanding, but the doctored plate was for a vehicle for which the registration had been cancelled (a 2007 Suburban, IIRC). I assume that means that older vehicle had been sold or traded in, so was now registered under a new owner with newer license plates.

So, even if a LPR read the plates on whatever vehicle FD used those doctored plates on as the actual, undoctored number, I would expect that it would raise LE suspicion because that registration was no longer active and those plates - even with their original number - should not have been on any vehicle.

That 2007 suburban is still listed in SW as belonging to Fore Group along with the other 4
vehicles. The plates were no longer valid but
the vehicle registration was.

 

[enelram]

IMO, FD must have done something with JD's body before the trash dumpings on Albany Ave.
Makes no sense to dump the bags and to go have coffee, if the body is still in an obvious spot, IMO. Narrows the time line. Do we think that KM moved it?

Unless he put the body in a quick temporary place on Friday, left it overnight and then Sat. morning completed the disposal.
Remember he was 3 hours late getting to NCPD appt. on Sat. where they took his phone.
3 hours late.
So he was very busy Sat. AM doing something important.
I say it was the final disposal.
If he put the body or partial body remains in
a barrel overnight w/ sulfuric acid or lye
like the mob used to do, by Sat. morning it would have been somewhat liquified.

Wish I knew what LE found on his computer.
Disposal methods? Mail order chemical purchase? Amazon sells about everything.

Also the books and movies he enjoyed would
also give hints at disposal.
I doubt that he was creative enough to do anything not tried and successful.

What concerns me though is that LE spent 3 weeks searching MIRA to no avail.
This tells me that they couldn't track the body.
they lost track of the body and where it went.
So it's a huge fishing expedition looking for the body if they have no direct tracking.

Also remember Andreas Tout mentioned as
one of the KEY players along with KM and MT.
Was Andreas in town at the time?
Was he the one who took the body for final disposal? If he was in town, did LE track his movements at that time?
Again, where was FD on Sat. 5/25 all morning?
His meeting w/ LE in NCPD was 2:47 pm and
he was 3 hours late. So he was very, very busy doing something important.

 

[BellaVita]

Unless he put the body in a quick temporary place on Friday, left it overnight and then Sat. morning completed the disposal.
Remember he was 3 hours late getting to NCPD appt. on Sat. where they took his phone.
3 hours late.
So he was very busy Sat. AM doing something important.
I say it was the final disposal.
If he put the body or partial body remains in
a barrel overnight w/ sulfuric acid or lye
like the mob used to do, by Sat. morning it would have been somewhat liquified.

Wish I knew what LE found on his computer.
Disposal methods? Mail order chemical purchase? Amazon sells about everything.

Also the books and movies he enjoyed would
also give hints at disposal.
I doubt that he was creative enough to do anything not tried and successful.

What concerns me though is that LE spent 3 weeks searching MIRA to no avail.
This tells me that they couldn't track the body.
they lost track of the body and where it went.
So it's a huge fishing expedition looking for the body if they have no direct tracking.

Also remember Andreas Tout mentioned as
one of the KEY players along with KM and MT.
Was Andreas in town at the time?
Was he the one who took the body for final disposal? If he was in town, did LE track his movements at that time?
Again, where was FD on Sat. 5/25 all morning?
His meeting w/ LE in NCPD was 2:47 pm and
he was 3 hours late. So he was very, very busy doing something important.

I would be surprised if FD waited until 5/25 to dispose of the body. I think the Starbucks stop was like a sigh of relief to them that they had taken care of business. I think they were working on Alibi Script morning of 5/25. MOO.

 

[RoosterRock]

It just baffles the mind that LE can't get a lead on where the body is?
Post cameras I hope were viewed at the sites he owned, especially if possibly a 4th party assisted in disposal.....
KM must know something and be willing to bargain, MT is never giving up the info, I think she feels like she is on the road to freedom with FD gone and a new attorney making her ridiculous case that her English is bad....

 

[Chicago54]

IIRC the “picnic” was 5/22 Wednesday , JD disappeared on 5/24 Friday. His dinner party at JX was 5/23. It does not appear as though he spent the night of the 22 in NC.

So wondering if FD slept in his New Canaan spec house after the picnic giving him plenty of time to set up his staging for the surprise attack and having no worries about heavy traffic getting in the way of his timeline.....
ABM:
MT could easily have set the alarm on his phone and answered it. It was already discussed he probably use burner phones. Makes more sense he was down in New Canaan. I have a hard time believing he came back to Farmington to sleep and then back down it is not close, and morning traffic is unpredictable .....

 

[spaz1959]

So if the body did not go to MIRA, what are the other possibilities?

- LE thinks body left Welles in JDs Suburban driven by FD per AW. Could have been disposed of in NC en route to Waveny, handed off at Waveny, taken elsewhere during the 43 minute interval (JD phone turned off 11:08am so presumably FD was at Waveny parking spot at that time.)
These would all be pretty high-risk of visibility and/or body being found I would think. Although I would like to know what LE has to say about FDs foray to Silver Spring Rd on June 25, when KM was doing his 2nd interview with LE and the MIRA search had just ended.

-average mph on Tacoma trip between NC rest stop and 80MS (all between 57-60mph entire route) suggests no time to drop body along this route, otherwise average mph between timepoints would be drastically lowered. Given age and condition of vehicle and need to avoid being pulled over for speeding likley FD was keeping to 60mph average. (Side note, although midday, still surprising to me he could make that good time given the usual traffic backup and unpredictability along the lower portion of the route at least. FD lucked out with traffic!)

-MOO: highly likely that body was brought back to 80MS. Where did it go after that?

-disposal in afternoon of 5/24, AW says they believe that FD was at 80MS all afternoon. But MT was rolling back and forth in various vehicles. How well are these 2 vehicles tracked that afternoon? Could the body have been in one of them and then handed off to someone else? There are SW requests for cell tower dumps that afternoon at The Pond, and various other locales. FD could have disposed in woods behind/around 80MS.
Gap in AW between FD arrival at 80MS 12:20 and him returning in Suburban at 1pm with MT following. Could FD have brought body to 4JC in that time, for burial behind 4JC late at night? Or for pickup or handoff to someone else? We would assume that LE would have cam of anyone else arriving or leaving 4JC or 80MS that day or night.

-did FD leave 4JC after returning from Albany that night? Or could he have buried her out back behind 4JC in the night? Or very early Saturday? FD was texting LA around 5am on Saturday.

One thing we do know is the clothing had been removed (this is hard to write) by Friday evening since the clothes were in the Albany trash. The condition and number of bags taped together, ripped open and knotted, ponchos, etc in Albany trash suggest that most of the activity relating to the murder and disposal was completed by the time they left on the Albany run. Either they put the body into some sort of container, or had disposed of or handed it off already. Otherwise there would have been additional cleanup needing disposing. It seems like most of the operation was likely concluded by the time of the Albany run.

I doubt FD kept the body around past very early Saturday am as he was planning to pick up the kids. He would be planning on having them for long term and thus would have needed to get the body out of the way before he had the kids on his hands.

This is all MOO and just current thinking in light of Colangelo interview.

I also believe Fd and crew thought they had more time before Jennifer was reported missing. Fd and crew didn't have as much time as they thought they would. Jennifer knew FD would try to kill her. She set in motion a plan for family and friends to activate if she didn't show up for something, and thankfully they took Jennifer seriously!

 

[BUF]

Pg 4 of FD’s AW states JF’s Suburburban was found with running lights on and in reverse near Waveny about 7:00pm. I know this was discussed, but was it ever found out how long the vehicle would stay on like this? The only thing I could find is that it would turn off in 2 hrs if left in park.

Read the Fotis Dulos Arrest Warrant

If the vehicle is left in P (Park) while running and the RKE transmitter is inside, the vehicle will run for two hours.

General Motors Quietly Installs Keyless Engine Shutoff | KidsandCars.org

 

[Tink56]

I would be surprised if FD waited until 5/25 to dispose of the body. I think the Starbucks stop was like a sigh of relief to them that they had taken care of business. I think they were working on Alibi Script morning of 5/25. MOO.
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Also on the morning of the 25th, Fd was expecting LA and the children to arrive. He had ordered their arrival.

He sent LA an early text message on the morning of the 25th telling her to get an early start to be in Farmington by 11 and continued to text throughout the day and had called her on the evening of the 24th? (Page 30, AW3)

Then he needed to contact an attorney.

 

[Wicked Strong]

Last night I tried to think about where FD would dispose of the body. He had a plan originally, and I don't think he planned on cutting it up because that would have been too much work. He needed to dispose of her body quickly. Too many people going in and out of his properties would risk someone finding her. He also wouldn't want her ever to be found, so disposing of it on any of his properties wouldn't have been ideal. If he sold the properties, he wouldn't want the body to be found there and tie him into the crime. I also think carrying a dead body into the woods would seem like a lot of work to dispose of. There were a lot of cameras at the storage unit, so I don't think he would temporarily leave the body there. Unless there are deep bodies of water within a few miles, putting her body in a small lake was risky if it ever floated to shore, or if the water level lowered because of lack of rain.

So that means moving her out of the area. KM might have fit into the scene, but did LE ever do any search of his vehicles? I would think if FD used his employees vehicle, the employee might have noticed a lot of miles put on it between the time he last drove. Plus it has been said that his vehicle wasn't reliable, so FD wouldn't have wanted to have a break down with a dead body.

I don't know if MT was ever supposed to be in on the actual killing, but she certainly got involved the minute Jennifer put up a struggle. I also wonder if she was smothered with the pillows after she was hit.

Just my random thoughts.

I really hope they can find the body or at least know what happened.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Please excuse me if I'm misunderstanding, but the doctored plate was for a vehicle for which the registration had been cancelled (a 2007 Suburban, IIRC). I assume that means that older vehicle had been sold or traded in, so was now registered under a new owner with newer license plates.

So, even if a LPR read the plates on whatever vehicle FD used those doctored plates on as the actual, undoctored number, I would expect that it would raise LE suspicion because that registration was no longer active and those plates - even with their original number - should not have been on any vehicle.

It WOULD raise suspicion...I guess I wasn’t clear-so unless FD is completely stupid about such things, he wouldn’t have taken a chance on using the plates for a trip like Farmington to New Canaan. He could have used them on a short trip, with no dead body or bloody evidence in the vehicle because he could have been pulled over. This is assuming that the tape didn’t confuse the LPR, and it read the plate as it was in its original state. Ugh-not sure I am saying it right!

 

[kimch33kim]

That 2007 suburban is still listed in SW as belonging to Fore Group along with the other 4
vehicles. The plates were no longer valid but
the vehicle registration was.

Enelram is correct. FD still owned the 2007 suburban. the part that baffles me is why it wasn't listed as one of the seized vehicles. the black porsche gts was not seized we can assume because it's immobile sitting in the 585 deercliff garage.