Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47

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Sorry but have to respectfully disagree with this @Nikynoo. 47 threads exist that IMO work through a mountain of evidence (a good portion of which didn't come from LE, Atty Colangelo or CSP). Sadly there are many more questions that we don't have answers to vs. those that we do have answers to based on the limited information that has been shared by LE. Unlike other cases where there has been ongoing dialog from LE we have had NONE of this from CSP or Atty Colangelo so this community has pulled together and pieced things together the best that we can and its been like we have largely been in the dark. Unlike other missing cases where family and friends share a lot of information WE HAVE HAD NOTHING from this typical source either. We were also derailed by Press coverage that was tainted by Atty. P. repeating the 'alibi scripts' for months.

I would also like to say specifically that there is ZERO in the evidence that I can see that IMO leads me to believe that MT played no role in the planning and execution of this horrific murder of JFD. YET, we see people introducing this idea over and over again, IMO in a very organised fashion which leads me to be quite suspicious of their motives in all of this. I would just ask that these people read MT AW1-3 prior to posting the repeated suggestions that MT 'didn't know' or 'she couldn't have done it' or 'it was impossible that she was there' kind of comments.

Yes, this is frustrating to @HopeForTheBest and others who have been here and have read the source documents as these kinds of comments have ZERO connection to the facts as presented by LE about MT. If people want to engage in questioning LE facts or present theories about conspiracy etc. then my suggestion would be to simply head over to Facebook where there are 1,000s of like minded conspiracy theorists to provide entertainment. We have tried very hard to find quality information, source documents and stay on track with regard to facts presented by LE in the AWs and SW and stay away from conspiracy theories under the guise of 'testing the evidence objectively IMO.

What has been happening recently is that many folks that haven't taken the time to read the source documents in the case (Yes, 3 AWs for Fd and MT EACH and 1 for KM and the portion of SWs released by LE) continue to circle back to conversations that have gone on for threads and threads on particular issues and where general consensus exists. Many here believe this behaviour to be organised and trollish in its execution.

Many people (myself included) have been here from the beginning on this case and have invested a large amount of time to find and read source documents. So, to see people questioning whether something was stated in an AW for example without taking the time to go back and look it up simply seems unproductive and intentionally diversionary or even questioning whether LE was correct in the statement made in an AW. When I see one of these questions many times I will take the time to answer the question if I know the answer as that is what typically happens on WS, we help each other out. BUT, when these questions keep coming and coming in a way that leads me, and others, to believe the questions are trollish then I will make the personal decision to cease answering such questions that IMO are clearly documented in the AWs and SW dump that have been posted here and exist in the Media thread for anyone that is interested in reading them.

I hope you take this post in the spirit that it is intended as we would like to keep moving using the limited information that we have and we know that the information we have is highly imperfect and incomplete. There are pieces of the crime that we continue to explore again and again (say the 40 min gap on Lapham or timeline at 80MS or role of KM or Fd and/or accomplice at Welles or the cell phones in the JFd Suburban) because there is imperfect information and there remain many different theories as to what happened and we still don't have consensus on what happened at Lapham for example. Progress is slow and frustrating at times and sometimes we do have to go backwards, but we are making slow progress here I think.

MOO

Thank you for the incredible time and energy you've invested in seeking justice for Jennifer, Afitzy.

I've yet to see anyone else so committed to a case with hours upon hours spent researching and sorting the facts from the frivolous speculation.

Commenters come and go, speaking at length without having read even the basics of the case but you give it your all.

Many of us have taken long breaks when the news pickings were slim but you've kept your nose to the grindstone and I expect you'll be here 'til the end.

Again, a big thank you from me and I'm sure hundreds of others!

Justice for Jennifer!
 
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and to the author of that rubbish article that
sds71 posted, someone should send the author the picture of Michelle Troconis at her first arrest- and ask him if she "looked RICH" ?
Don't think so. She looked like yesterday's lunch soaked in drugs.

Michelle Troconis Booking Photo, June 2019

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there are some pre-FD, or at least pre- moving-into J4X, pictures in which she looks much happier and healthier IMO:
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art show in miami in 2017

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in the recent court and booking pictures, she looks haggard and horrible, IMO. her face looks more relaxed however, since FD died, IMO.
 
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afitzy said:
@Niner,

In true CT fashion it was continued until 3/27/2020

You wouldn't have the arrest affidavit - would you?? TIA if you post it! :)
 
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IMO its not as intuitively obvious to 'get someone' that is simply a 'ghost' for lack of a better description. MT for lack of a better description is simply an 'empty being'. Nothing there and a perfect foil for someone like Fd. But, this doesn't mean she is weak or that she isn't dangerous. Nope. IMO is a predator. She is a predator of other peoples husbands and boyfriends and possessions and she is motivated solely by what feels good and what makes her feel safe which IMO is money and the more of it the better. In the world of MT IMO, GREED IS GOOD!

These folks have no moral core and are all about 'whatever works' or 'whatever feels good' and so they morph into whatever they need to survive and cope in the relationship that they happen to be in.

But, make no mistake, these folks aren't weak and in their own way IMO they are quite dangerous because they have no boundaries and are willing to do whatever it takes, including masterminding possibly a murder, to get what they want or what they believe might make them feel better.

These people IMO are hollow with nothing inside. We have seen no remorse, interest, zero affect etc. from MT and that simply is who she is and how she rolls as she doesn't give a [REDACTED] about anyone else other than herself. Its simply that she doesn't give a [REDACTED] about anyone else other than herself and how she feels and IMO that was why we saw her crying her faux tears in Court in October when it was clear she had been replaced by AC and MT was sadly having to be bothered by being in Court being charged yet again.

If you go back to the brilliant pictures that the Daily Mail took at 4Jx when LE showed up to take Fd and MT to Litchfield for DNA testing to me they were quite telling. Who did we see talking and interacting and directing LE? Was it Fd? Nope, IT WAS MT! MT was front and center dealing with LE that day and we saw Fd hanging back and crossing his arms and possibly trying to hide his anxiety and poison ivy. Those pictures IMO told us a lot about the Fd/MT relationship and how Fd defined the role of MT and how she stepped up and filled it. Nope, I think we saw co-dependancy on a whole new level in those photos and I think the relationship between these 2 co-conspirators was such that each knew what the other was thinking and MT knew at all times what she had to do to keep Fd in line and how she was to meet his demands and expectations.

MOO
As I catch upon the thread and read all everyone is saying regarding MT, I keep going back to a post I made in Sept to @Chessman . @Ruminations and I had a friendly little exchange about it, but as the months, AWs and SWs have rolled by, it becomes even more significant to me.

I think we will all be shocked by MTs involvement.

and here’s my post , which I still strongly stand behind:

Both MT AND FD were ONLY charged with evidence tampering. I am not aware of any evidence which directly supports your assertion that MT was not an accomplice in the murder.


I’ve long been an advocate of using a “follow the money” type approach in solving this crime. I feel the Why? of the murder is worthy of some deeper discussion that might get us thinking outside the box and stir up some creative new suggestions to fill in the still missing Wheres, Whats, Whens, and Hows.


So, Why was JD murdered?

IMO, in a general sense, the answer lies in what was the gain.

Obviously the hotly contested 2+yr divorce is the glaring red flag. Getting rid of JD ends the divorce litigation. (And maybe, just maybe, ends the money battle with GF if the grief stricken, grandchild protecting, grandma withdraws.) Perhaps to FD, in the simplest view, kind of a best case scenario, ending the divorce, with mother gone, results in custody of the children, access to their trust funds, and full ownership of all of his and JDs assets. The money looks better to FD and his atty fees end too! Looks perfect, right? IIRC, as FD said in his latest interview , his life was “beautiful”, except for the divorce. He wanted it over. But here’s the stickler, can any sense be made out of potentially gaining a murder charge to get out of a divorce???


Yes, I know, it happens all the time-and in this past year, probably more horrifically than ever imagined, but the rage and spontaneity seen in those crimes is missing in this case.

The use of the Tacoma and the plates clearly point a premeditated murder, not one caused by a sudden explosion of anger. The limited public information available shows some of FDs movements during the last week of JDs life: smoozing KM’s STBX, dining &/or playing basketball w his kids, and hosting a dinner party. And supposedly at the same time planning JDs murder. The equation is simply not adding up. What’s missing? Where is the rage or anger needed to override the rational of not trading a divorce action for a murder charge?


For arguments sake, perhaps we are missing information that does show some rage. Were JD and FD arguing in person, on phone, via text or email? No-have not heard or seen one shrewd of evidence supporting any of these.

Did FD as JD to meet to talk and the meeting turned violent? No- then he wouldn’t have needed the Tacoma or plates.

Was the other person seemingly involved with the murder, as supported by evidence, harboring any anger or rage?

Maybe. IMO a little attention needs to be directed on MT to find the missing piece of the equation.


MT:admittedly at the car wash, claiming ignorance of what she is doing but running to her attorney afterwards.

MT: the pillow-talk-mate of the frustrated sad FD who wants nothing more than to continue his “beautiful” life and be divorced.

MT: the single mom whose child support would end in 5-6yrs. (Follow the money)

MT: the adulteress who moved her child out of state, away from her family and home, to supposedly move into a temporary house provided by her rich sugar daddy.

MT: the international mover and shaker who had put all her eggs in FDs and FOREs basket, who was watching her job and income disappear as FORE collapsed.

MT: after finally gaining access to the castle, watching as her paramour’s STBX MIL paid for their mortgage.

MT: hooked to a guy who was wrapped in litigation and couldn’t sell a house to save his life.

MT: who was denied access to her lover’s children by the court, about to face another holiday weekend of turmoil. She had to be mad as a wet hen after the judge finally gave FD Memorial Day weekend. Where was MT supposed to go for the weekend??


Now there’s a little rage.

Maybe a closer look at MT will help answer “how FD pulled off the murder” and why.”

Sep 11, 2019
 
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Well, it is understandable if you consider that she is probably fully invested in this crime. If she was an innocent victim of Fd’s murderous charm, she would have told them something helpful by now, because there is no good reason to withhold unless she was afraid it would incriminate her. It is possible that she doesn’t know where Jennifer’s body is, or was-but she knew by Friday night 5/24 that Jennifer had been murdered. She had plenty of time to tell the authorities, but she didn’t. Better to be a woman who helped her man clean up the aftermath, than a co-conspirator in a murder, yes? So instead of taking on the limited role of the former, she is now the latter. Why would she allow this? Because she IS the latter.

EXACTLY !
“(MT)had plenty of time to tell the authorities, but she didn’t. Better to be a woman who helped her man clean up the aftermath, than a co-conspirator in a murder, yes? So instead of taking on the limited role of the former, she is now the latter. Why would she allow this? Because she IS the latter.“
 
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IMO the psychological profile of MT is frankly not any different from Fd and her character flaws and many shortcomings frankly IMO rival those of Fd.

Agreed! I think MT was, in fact, the quiet power behind it all in a way we haven't discussed yet. Sure, she'll claim in court to have been "under Fd's power" - but when you think about it - that makes no sense. Here's what I mean:

Fd was a serial philanderer. He cheated before, and likely would again. If it were all truly up to Fd, he most likely would have preferred to have MT on the side, in the shadows, and keep his family and kids and house and money from the in-laws, until he tired of MT - which he would have - and in fact, did.

MT didn't have money, influence, youth or, really, much to hold onto him for long. He had to sense this.

So why did he throw everything away for her? Because she was manipulative, she WAS the power - and/or involved in something shady with him that she held over HIS head.

It really only makes sense that SHE was the one who wanted to move into the house - why would he want that, knowing he'd lose everything? His wife, family, the money coming into his business from the Farbers, eventually - everything.

It makes more sense that SHE would want to establish herself as THE woman of the household - and so, insisted in moving in. He could have kept a relationship going with her on the side if she had not insisted - many men do for many years.

But that wasn't enough for her.

She also insisted in being part of the visitation once Jennifer moved out. Fd knew it was not okay with Jennifer. It was a huge, ongoing issue in court. If MT hadn't insisted, it would not likely have happened. But - instead of her stepping back - she continued to interfere, even though it was soon written as being against visitation stipulations. It was such a huge problem that they asked the children to lie about it (instead of, again, MT just stepping back) - which became an even bigger problem. In that way it was because of MT's continued interference that visitation stopped, IIRC.

Why didn't she just stop being around during visitation, and let Fd deal with his divorce on his own? Fd complained about the lack of visitation, so why didn't he stop her involvement in them? Apparently, he was not able to.

Did she also insist on having Jennifer completely out of the picture, instead of stepping back?

She was very jealous, they argued all the time. MT appeared to need to be with Fd at all times. To check up on him?

Why did she get so angry that he had gone to visit the kids in NC and hadn't told her about it? (She found out from LE, I believe.)

MT was not the type to be pushed around. She had to realize she wasn't going to be in it with Fd - or even his type - for the long haul - how else would she hang onto FD?

I have a feeling we will learn a lot more about MT's running the show in ways we don't know and can't even imagine, yet.

ETA: Typed this very quickly before laptop dies, so I hope it makes sense - apologies for some redundancy!
Nah, FD didn't want to keep her in the shadows. MT was a big F!@$ U to Jennifer. He didn't throw everything away for MT. He was rearing up and ready to throw before he even met her. IMO, there is no way she WAS the power. No doubt she was shady with FORE money and so was FD. They both had something on the other and neither could spill the beans without incriminating their own self.

I agree that she wanted to move into the house and I am sure FD wanted her there. Because, you know, see me Jennifer? Are you looking? You have been easily replaced and now another woman is in the bed and her kid is here too. You ask why FD would want that. That is Malignant N for you. They are never satisfied and do not even know when they have already won. FD won when he married JD. FD won when he got HF to loan him money. FD won when he was able to travel 10 days a month. FD won when JD left 4JC. FD won by having secret money stashed away. He was WIN-NING all the way up to the divorce action and didn't even know it. It is at that point where he should have allowed quick divorce and skipped the country. Maybe without even getting a divorce. It is like when you go to a casino. Quit while you're ahead.

As far as the visitation, I agree that she wanted to be there and FD wanted her there too. Because, nobody tells FD what to do. He stupidly thought he could hide her presence and when it was discovered, he wasn't going to back down. Neither FD nor MT are near close to normal. FD was certainly able to stop her being present during visitation. He just didn't want to.
 
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As I catch upon the thread and read all everyone is saying regarding MT, I keep going back to a post I made in Sept to @Chessman . @Ruminations and I had a friendly little exchange about it, but as the months, AWs and SWs have rolled by, it becomes even more significant to me.

I think we will all be shocked by MTs involvement.

and here’s my post , which I still strongly stand behind:

Both MT AND FD were ONLY charged with evidence tampering. I am not aware of any evidence which directly supports your assertion that MT was not an accomplice in the murder.


I’ve long been an advocate of using a “follow the money” type approach in solving this crime. I feel the Why? of the murder is worthy of some deeper discussion that might get us thinking outside the box and stir up some creative new suggestions to fill in the still missing Wheres, Whats, Whens, and Hows.


So, Why was JD murdered?

IMO, in a general sense, the answer lies in what was the gain.

Obviously the hotly contested 2+yr divorce is the glaring red flag. Getting rid of JD ends the divorce litigation. (And maybe, just maybe, ends the money battle with GF if the grief stricken, grandchild protecting, grandma withdraws.) Perhaps to FD, in the simplest view, kind of a best case scenario, ending the divorce, with mother gone, results in custody of the children, access to their trust funds, and full ownership of all of his and JDs assets. The money looks better to FD and his atty fees end too! Looks perfect, right? IIRC, as FD said in his latest interview , his life was “beautiful”, except for the divorce. He wanted it over. But here’s the stickler, can any sense be made out of potentially gaining a murder charge to get out of a divorce???


Yes, I know, it happens all the time-and in this past year, probably more horrifically than ever imagined, but the rage and spontaneity seen in those crimes is missing in this case.

The use of the Tacoma and the plates clearly point a premeditated murder, not one caused by a sudden explosion of anger. The limited public information available shows some of FDs movements during the last week of JDs life: smoozing KM’s STBX, dining &/or playing basketball w his kids, and hosting a dinner party. And supposedly at the same time planning JDs murder. The equation is simply not adding up. What’s missing? Where is the rage or anger needed to override the rational of not trading a divorce action for a murder charge?


For arguments sake, perhaps we are missing information that does show some rage. Were JD and FD arguing in person, on phone, via text or email? No-have not heard or seen one shrewd of evidence supporting any of these.

Did FD as JD to meet to talk and the meeting turned violent? No- then he wouldn’t have needed the Tacoma or plates.

Was the other person seemingly involved with the murder, as supported by evidence, harboring any anger or rage?

Maybe. IMO a little attention needs to be directed on MT to find the missing piece of the equation.


MT:admittedly at the car wash, claiming ignorance of what she is doing but running to her attorney afterwards.

MT: the pillow-talk-mate of the frustrated sad FD who wants nothing more than to continue his “beautiful” life and be divorced.

MT: the single mom whose child support would end in 5-6yrs. (Follow the money)

MT: the adulteress who moved her child out of state, away from her family and home, to supposedly move into a temporary house provided by her rich sugar daddy.

MT: the international mover and shaker who had put all her eggs in FDs and FOREs basket, who was watching her job and income disappear as FORE collapsed.

MT: after finally gaining access to the castle, watching as her paramour’s STBX MIL paid for their mortgage.

MT: hooked to a guy who was wrapped in litigation and couldn’t sell a house to save his life.

MT: who was denied access to her lover’s children by the court, about to face another holiday weekend of turmoil. She had to be mad as a wet hen after the judge finally gave FD Memorial Day weekend. Where was MT supposed to go for the weekend??


Now there’s a little rage.

Maybe a closer look at MT will help answer “how FD pulled off the murder” and why.”

Sep 11, 2019

I remember this post...it was a good one!
 
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This is what I am trying to understand.
How can she be a vapid emotionless shell with no apparent understanding that 5 kids lost their mother and father, think that it's okay that "the body at some point was in there," as long as "I was not cleaning Jennifer," be the driving force?
I know she trash talks, but that does not make a person all that.
please don't interpret this question as diverting from her responsibility. I already think there is enough info out there to convince me she conspired in murder by CT standards. What I don't see is she motivated FD more than vice versa.
In total agreement with all you wrote. No way is anybody going to force FD to do anything. IMO.
 
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100%!!!!!!!

Abuse is Abuse is Abuse....no more to be said on this topic.

I do very much wonder on the sourcing of this article as answers to your question about the duration of the Fd and MT affair was cleared up in the Civil Trial. There was the infamous moment when Atty. P. put his head in his hands and then put his head on the table when he heard that Fd had been lying to him about YET something else as Fd said the affair was 2 years in duration prior to the divorce rather than the 1 year that was believed to be conventional gossip/wisdom. This also confirmed that Fd even lied to JFd when he told her the affair had been ongoing at that time for 'about a year'.

Given that JFd Atty had a pitbull PI my guess is that eventually JFd eventually knew the affair was longstanding.

But what the article author did about attempting to 'normalise' behaviour by saying the parties were driving each other crazy etc. simply is enough to get the hair on the back of my neck standing up and there is NOTHING NORMAL about abusive behaviour. NOPE. NADA. ZILCH.

But what also is ticking away in the back of my brain is that in some way the great jealousy of Michele Troconis towards JFd somehow exploded over time and so infiltrated all her behaviour and choices and I do also wonder with the slick guidance of Mama A and all her 'psych' training whether Michele Troconis also wound up and effectively weaponised and already IMO unbalanced and irrational Fd? Relationship can be war zones and we know from AW3 in what I believe to be one of her few true statements that, "Fotis and I fought all the time". Yep, fighting and all the time. What were they fighting about? Was Michele Troconis then having to pony up $$$ to financially prop up the failing Fd? We saw Fd pumping up his credit card balances into the mid five figures and I wonder if he was doing this in part to continue to 'pay' for his 'paraho' and keep her at 4Jx and I also wonder if at any point she threatened to leave? How toxic did the fighting get and what mother would subject a teen daughter to such an environment for such a long period of time? IDK, monster seems a title for Michele Troconis that sits pretty easily IMO and I'm not convinced she cared about anyone other than herself. I continue to wonder why the bio dad hasn't intervened to safeguard his daughter from Michele Troconis and the entire crew that surrounds her as by all accounts it sounds quite toxic and not conducive to an impressionable teen, regardless of their gender IMO.

But even though I think this is just another reporter who is playing 'fast and loose' with the facts (and not double sourcing IMO) for dramatic effect and possibly angling for a screenplay job, I do have to say that bringing up the JFd priority about custody being to NOT have the children interacting with MT and the ENTIRE TROCONIS CREW and ARREZEA CREW does make quite a bit of rational sense IMO given what has been uncovered about MT and the many unsavory to say nothing of criminal aspects and connections of her family, and her mother in particular.

Why do none of these Reporters state that Mama A in her agreement with the Feds LOST HER LICENSE TO PRACTICE AS A PSYCHOLOGIST? Even the MT Atty got it wrong when he said in Court that Mama A is a psychologist. NOPE, if you don't have a license you cannot practice and call yourself this title. AT BEST, MAMA A IMO can lay claim to a degree in psychology. Frankly I was appalled and disgusted that MT NEW ATTY stated that Mama A had a practice in Miami! Did he do his homework on who he is dealing with? I certainly hope the State of FL has investigated this issue and I very much hope that Mama A is not back in business with her 'business'. I will add this to my list of research and report to the FL authorities accordingly as IMO that Medicaid scam should ban her from doing business in ALL STATES IMO.

But, back to JFd and her 'issues' with MT. JFd had 5 children to worry about in terms of educating them about values, priorities and ethics and making good choices. YIKES! Can you imagine your STBX starts hooking up with the neighbourhood 'paraho' in Miami, brings this person to CT and then has the delusional idea to start up some delusional 'blended family' with said 'pariah', her daughter and your 5 children from a prior marriage?

YIKES! Sounds like a reasonable basis to me to start cranking up the motions in Court to make sure that your 5 children have ZERO contact with the 'paraho', her daughter and extended crew of ethically and morally challenged individuals in the Troconis/Arrezea crew. I think JFd was generous to only file 200 or so motions on the 'paraho' issue as I think if it were me and knowing what I know about MT and her family (and realising that JFd and her PI no doubt knew who exactly these people were in much greater detail!), then I think a motion a day, and no contact orders etc. would have just been the beginning for me!

What I find so fascinating is that the reporter in the article took the MT and spun it in a somewhat 'generous fashion' IMO when the reality is in fact absolutely opposite IMO what is being described about Michele Troconis. JFd was very clear in her blog postings about what she wanted for her children and what her values in life were and so seeing the amoral, party girl who was fixated on sports and that is about it was probably enough to set her over the edge as Michele Troconis didn't really even demonstrate the ability to take care of herself let alone 5 step children! Michele Troconis said herself in a recent court filing where she had to explain, at 45 years old no less, that she was supported by her family! To me, this proves the JFd point about Michele Troconis perfectly as her not being a fit person to take on any role in the 5 childrens lives.

IMO here is some of what we know about MT from her previously posted Linkedin and MSM articles:

  • Michele Troconis was married at the time she began the affair with Fd and the affair was ongoing for 2 years at the time that Fd told JFd about the affair in 2017 - AFFAIR STARTED SOMETIME IN 2015!
  • The Michele Troconis divorce (documents were filed in prior thread here on WS) was filed by her ex husband and appeared to be a 'quick filing'
  • Its unclear if Michele Troconis ever legally changed her residency from FL to CT and its also unclear if Michele Troconis properly filed CT Taxes or whether she has dodged the high CT taxes since moving to Farmington or even if she has a CT Drivers license (if someone has the accident report from the Michele Troconis accident with the Suburban and can repost it that would be appreciated as I looked and couldn't find it but I know someone posted it here - believe it happened in Tolland, CT and the damage was referenced in AW3 when the Suburban was seen on road adjacent to 69/71 Welles). Given the extent of her legal issues the fact that she doesn't appear to have a CT license is probably small potatoes but given that she has lived in CT full time for over 2 years she is required I believe to have a CT license.
  • Michele Troconis was never charged in either State Court or Federal Court for her role in the 123 Hunter loan where based on the information in Family Court she appeared to be the one to give the $75,000 that she received from Fd to GV and she appeared to be the point person in dealing with the Farmington Bank/People's Bank Loan Officer Sue Morin who later took the 5th in Family Court as this entire situation was being probed as part of FD and Michelle Troconis efforts to hide assets from JFd in the Court Case.
  • Michele Troconis when you look at the 'work history' just kicked around from job to job with no direction or ambition or focus and 'had a history' IMO of simply hooking up with the boss in various jobs throughout her history. Most notably was the hook up with the bio dad of her daughter in Argentina where she lived for about 6 years. Michele Troconis 'leveraged' this pregnancy into a support agreement where she levelled suit against the biodad in FL which brings her nearly $4,000/month. I have to wonder how much of this 'support money' actually makes it to her daughter given that the legal bills have to be astronomical given the ongoing litigation.
  • Michele Troconis appeared to be treated for some mental heath 'issue' when she was around 15 and this brought her to NY State for treatment by her family. No wish to place a stigma on mental health issues but IMO if that early treatment laid a foundation for possible future and ongoing issues that could be playing out in the murder of JFd then it might make sense to attempt to get those records unsealed along with any other medical records of Michele Troconis IMO to the extent that they lay a foundation for understanding her behaviour and choices during the term of her affair with Fd.
  • Michele Troconis appeared, as has been stated in prior articles, simply to be an ageing 'party girl' and her last job in Miami prior to moving to CT was as a 'party promoter' in Miami. A simple google stroll on the 'job description' for a 'party promoter' in one of the major drug capitals of the world (MIAMI) would IMO be of 'great concern' to JFd and any mother concerned about the morals and values of who her children would be around.
  • Michele Tronconis didn't really demonstrate much ability to take care of herself over the course of her lifetime as she appeared instead to seek out men with money to 'take care of her' and so someone like JFd who clearly valued hard work, excellent education, honesty, diligence etc. would no doubt hear about the lifestyle and life choices of someone like Michele Troconis and simply not want her children having anything to do with her and IMO this is kinda understandable as she seems the kind of person that most would cross the street to avoid having anything to do with and ditto for the family as well given that they wholeheartedly supported the relationship with Fd. Michele Troconis seems to be a person who is about 'whatever works', aimless, non career focused with no job professional job skills, only focused on sports, amoral with a focus on the next 'adrenaline high' with few redeeming character attributes so far as I can see that would want any mother with completely opposite views and standards to want their children to have any interaction with this person at all IMO.
  • We also saw some evidence that Michele Troconis and Fd might have used Michele Troconis daughter to circumvent the 'no contact' guidelines in Family Court. There was discussion that danced around this issue in Family Court and I had wondered if a PI report existed to provide further information but a number of these reports were sealed unfortunately. But, think about the scenario where Fd was sanctioned by Judge Heller for not complying with the ban on Michele Troconis contact and just because the Michele Troconis daughter WASN'T listed in the motion by Judge Heller (stupid ERROR IMO) that BOTH Fd and Michele Troconis exploited this loophole to continue contact with the children. It seems like a case of arrested development IMO by these 2 and its pathetic also IMO to use a then 11 yr old daughter for such despicable purposes to further your jealousy, anger and simple hate towards JFd. To me, this told me just about everything I needed to ever know about Michele Troconis.

In short, IMO not much in the redeeming character traits categories for MT as she seems to be someone who has simply slid through life and not accomplished much herself via her own initiative. Knowing what little we do know about Michele Troconis though I can see someone like JFd fighting to the mat to keep her 5 children away from Michele and her daughter and the entire Troconis/Arrezea crew.

MOO
Would WS please provide a Love Button? Absolutely everything you said is spot on, wouldn't change a word. Would have loved to have read that in CT papers!
 
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I think MT's daughter WAS listed on the court order banning physical contact with the children during visitation, which apparently was not enough to deter possibly other types of contact, if read literally. So that is how I got stuck on cellphones. MOO.

From 5/27/19 search warrant, page 6 and 7 of 11 pages of warrant requesting search of AT+T Wireless database (address: 600 North Palm Beach, FL 22408) for 305-331-5232 Call Detail Records for the period 3-20-2019 to date of warrant:

#18. That on May 25, 2019, and at about 8:30PM, search and seizure warrants were signed by Superior Court Judge J. Lee for cellular telephone records, subscriber and other information related to the account of Fotis Dulos. They were sent to cellular carrier AT+T Wireless.

#20. That Michelle Troconis is also involved in the court proceedings involving custody of the Dulos children. The court specifically prohibited Fotis Dulos to permit, "Ms. Troconis and/or her daughter Nicole to be in the vicinity of the children at any time before, during, or after his supervised parenting time".

Hmmm. Under normal circumstances, you would think that it was kind of extreme to ban a 13 year old from being in the vicinity of another 13 year old but NOT IN THIS CASE, THE BAN DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, MOO.

For further reference: My list of Fd's cellphones (4 different numbers) from the SW:

First:
October 2, 2019 search warrant for Comcast records of 860-321-7691 for May 2018 to October 2, 2019 voicemails apparently left for Fotis Dulos. PayPal called someone's little used residential number (by her bed) who now has Fd's old telephone number.

Second:
From May 27, 2019 search warrant: Fd texting LA from 203-918-4877 right after Apple iPhone model X was seized on May 25, 2019.

Third:
NCPD seized handset for Apple iPhone model X AT+T 860-478-8625 on May 25, 2019.

Fourth:
Cell 203-434-3297 from warrant 5-27-19
#19 That on May 26, 2019, and at about 12:00PM, the requested cellular information was returned by AT+T Wireless. In the subscriber and user account information section, another cellular telephone number was documented as belonging to Fotis Dulos: 203-434-3297.

IMO, as a followup, LE believed that an accomplice, unfamiliar with New Canaan, was looking for JFd's Suburban near Waveny on May 24, 2019 before 11 AM, possibly to remove the body from a Suburban left with its lights on, keys in ignition, left in Reverse and with an iPhone cellphone in a red case with GPS possibly on inside:

Search warrant signed on 5/29/19 for someone using Google and Waze:

#15. That with evidence pointing to a possible accomplice, the area of Lapham Rd. and Waveny Park is in a residential area of New Canaan with few houses nearby and makes it likely that someone unfamiliar with the area would utilize a mapping application in order to navigate the area.

#16. That Google Maps is a very popular mapping/navigation application which is pre-installed on many smart phones.

#17. That the affiants believe that obtaining any and all Google Maps records from May 24, 2019, beginning at 0500 hours through 1100 hours on May 24, 2019, for all searches for directions to and from Waveny Park, New Canaan, CT, 06840, will assist investigators in identifying a possible suspect.

At the very bottom of the 400+ pages of SW, it looks like more iPhones were found at 69 Welles. Were the children forbidden from bringing them into the school and so they were to be left at home with their other devices? Some folks who live in New Canaan (back then, maybe not now) would express surprise at the belief that leaving a 2017 Suburban at Waveny, lights on, would attract a joy rider and that a visible iPhone 7 would be enticing booty. I suppose Fd could have been careful enough to pick up an iPhone at 69 Welles just to leave behind for thieves. Or, as suggested, most people with kids have messy cars and a cellphone could have rolled under the seats. I guess I really want to know the story because it doesn't make sense to me if the iPhone 7 in red case was a working cellphone and JFd didn't use it herself. See SW dated 05/28/2019 signed 06/13/2019 by CSP of items found in JFd Suburban: Ex#117 - one (1) iPhone model A1778 in red colored case.

Source of SW: https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11ea-8277-7318c2983cb5/5e1f2fcf017da.pdf.pdf

Excellent post! There are some very good possible new leads/questions? Hoping LE has someone reading WS just in case we stumble upon a possible new clue or direction for them to pursue. If there is any possible burial of body or parts, now with now snow and mild temps is a good time to search again......

Did KM actually drive to Waveny and both he and MT left their phones at the supposed meeting, and used burner phones. Did a staff member answer his phone from Greece? Or the answering machine picked up? Can LE tell the difference between an answering machine at an office and an actual person picking up the phone??
Under this scenario MT could have been at murder site or nearby as a lookout. Was that the reason for the plates being disposed. Was another car down there? Although she could have hidden down there. I am wondering if she did not actually drive her daughter to school that day. She was very vague on remembering that. I remember my drop off's if they are recent.
Although, she could have driven down there after drop off to assist with clean up but that is a long stretch given traffic down there being unpredictable. She either went when FD did or not all - IMO.

Perhaps KM took the body as has been discussed and disposed of it up in his familiar boating area on the sound? or elsewhere? A pre-dug grave site LE has not found. We know he was involved in creating one a the gun club that was discovered. There could be another or 2????

Was it another associate of FD? It has been suggested his Greek pal was involved, or a paid associate of illegal activities took the body.

Perhaps partial dismember was done at murder site? That attributed to more blood - hands, head.... easier to dispose??

It has been discussed that the children's school did not permit devices they were left in cars or at home.

I do find it interesting as well that the 13 yr old daughter of MT was not allowed near the kids either?
Also FD seemed enthralled with MT and her daughter. That all seems strange.
Did they enlist the help of the daughter to coerce the kids to lie to the court?? Did they get her to do other things??? Strange......
 
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Jennifer Dulos hesitated at times as she described to a family court judge the series of events that led to her flight with her five children from the Farmington home she shared with her husband in June 2017.
But there was one defining moment that was clear to her.
It occurred a few weeks before she filed for divorce when her husband, Fotis Dulos, threatened to take their children and “disappear,” according to court transcripts of the first hearing in what became an acrimonious divorce that spanned two years and included more than 400 filingsleading up to her disappearance last May 24.
“I knew in that moment when he made that threat, I knew I had to get us out of there,” she testified of a tense scene overheard by the family nanny in their Farmington kitchen on May 30, 2017. “And I knew I needed a safe place for my children and I needed to find an attorney...”
Domestic violence advocates say court officials failed to recognize Fotis Dulos’ alleged abusive behavior and designated the case as “high conflict” instead of domestic violence.
“It should have been handled differently,” said Karen Jarmoc, executive director for the Connecticut Coalition Against Domestic Violence. “There should be a better understanding by judges around offender behaviors. There should be repercussions for violating court orders. If anything, the family court is empowering the offender.”

CCADV is now seeking legislation that would require drafting a “benchbook” that would be used as a guide for judges, court officials and attorneys to identify the nuances, including controlling and harassing behaviors that differentiate “high conflict” and domestic violence divorces...
The benchbook would give judges a “better understanding” of the nuances between the two, she said.
“Family Services has to be impartial, but clearly these behaviors are so evident,” Jarmoc said. “This is not new. There is a very blanket refusal by the Judicial Branch to shift or change their practices and people are dying because of it.”
Jarmoc contends that Judicial Branch officials are opposed to the idea and will likely buck any attempt to utilize the proposed benchbook, which would be drafted by a multi-disciplinary committee.“Judicial has informed us that they would be completely opposed,” Jarmoc said.
Judicial Branch officials, including judges who handle family cases or court administrative matters, have declined to discuss any aspect of the Dulos case, citing the pending criminal charges against Fotis Dulos, his former girlfriend Michelle Troconis and his former civil attorney Kent Mawhinney, and also the gag order barring case participants from discussing evidence or the character of victims and witnesses...
Judges already have access to an electronic binder that is considered the benchbook for all types of domestic violence-related proceedings, including criminal, civil and divorce and custody matters, the judge said.
Judges and other court staff also have annual training in domestic violence by “nationally recognized” leaders in the field, Bozzuto said.
The new system, based on the National Center for State Court’s Family Justice Initiative, will identify complex cases quickly and make them more judge-driven rather than steered by a litigant or attorney, Bozzuto said.
‘He didn’t care what the neighbors heard’
In the Dulos case, the issue of potential domestic violence surfaced almost immediately.
According to transcripts from the hearing on Jennifer Dulos’ custody and abuse request in June 2017, the New Canaan mother told the judge several times that she was afraid of her husband. She said they discussed separating for months leading up to her decision to flee with the children and file for divorce and a restraining order, according to the court transcripts.
Jennifer Dulos told the judge her husband presented her on May 30, 2017 with a custody schedule that indicated he wanted the children throughout the summer, including weekends “except that I could have one weekend a month” and two full weeks, according to the transcript.
“I said this is too much, I don’t think I can agree to all this and we moved into the living room and he became enraged with me, that I wasn’t just going to agree to all of this,” she testified.
Fotis Dulos threatened to take the children “and disappear” while yelling about six inches from her face, she testified. Jennifer Dulos ran out of the house and down the street with him chasing her, and saying “he didn’t care what the neighbors heard,” she testified.
When they returned home, Fotis Dulos fished the pieces of the agreement that he had ripped up out of the garbage and told her to tape them together, Jennifer Dulos testified. It was in that moment, Jennifer Dulos testified, that she knew she had to escape and hire an attorney. The couple’s longtime nanny, Lauren Almeida, testified during the hearing that she overheard the incident.
In July 2017, Stamford family court Judge Thomas Colin denied Jennifer Dulos’ request for emergency custody and relief from abuse after considering the hours of testimony that included her estranged husband’s attorney, Alan Rome, asking if his client ever hit her. She said he didn’t. Colin also denied Jennifer Dulos’ request to require her husband to undergo a psychological evaluation.

“She was clearly voicing fear in court and it fell on deaf ears,” Jarmoc said. “It was the argument, ‘well she’s emotional, she’s using this.’ That’s what these types of attorneys use in these cases.”
According to Rome, Stamford Family Services based its risk assessment report on the restraining order on “about five minutes” of discussion with his client.
The judge acknowledged in his July 25, 2017 order that emotions were raw between the couple and that Jennifer Dulos perceived her husband to be “controlling and aggressive.” Colin said arguments between the couple occurred when Fotis Dulos felt he could “no longer control the situation and unilaterally dictate its outcome.”
Colin denied Jennifer Dulos’ request for an emergency order of custody, saying she hadn’t proved “that there is an immediate and present risk of physical danger or psychological harm to the parties’ children.”
He encouraged the couple to work together through their attorneys to resolve the custody issues.
“The court is hopeful that once things settle down and cooler heads prevail, these extremely well educated and accomplished parents will be able to reach an agreement” on custody and child-rearing issues, Colin said.
‘They didn’t stop it’
But that didn’t happen, according to court transcripts and dozens of motions filed by both parties in the months that followed. The couple briefly agreed on a parenting plan with few restrictions in November 2017. But a few weeks later, on the advice of her new attorney, Jennifer Dulos filed for the temporary parenting plan to be thrown out because she felt she had been “sold a bill of goods” that the agreement was “a good deal.”
The legal maneuvering led to requests for required therapy for Fotis Dulos and court-ordered supervised visitation with his children based on a separate judge’s findings that he had repeatedly defied court orders and encouraged the children to lie about their contact with Troconis and her daughter.
More than eight months had passed by the time a second judge — a total of five presided at some point over the case — ordered the family evaluated and receive services to help move their lives forward while maintaining two separate households.
Detailed notes of each visit made with the court-ordered supervisor indicated the children frequently asked their father for more time together and about Troconis and her daughter whom they had spent time with before he was ordered to stop the practice.
Each time, the monitor ordered Fotis Dulos to redirect their attention to avoid discussing the pending divorce and custody arrangements.
The notes reveal the children would often vie for the honor of sitting next to their father while at restaurants, requiring a shift every 15 minutes so each could get a chance. They often embraced in a group hug when the supervised meetings occurred about once a month, even as the underlying tension and the motions for contempt between their parents continued.
The vicious cycle of repeated court filings and lack of acknowledgment that the litigation could be a red flag for domestic violence is a problem that hundreds of victims face annually, Jarmoc said.
“The Dulos case is a very real example of the challenges faced by victims and court staff when dealing with the nuances of domestic violence during custody and divorce,” she said.
The difference between the Dulos case and others is that the participants had access to money, which fueled attorneys on both sides to repeatedly file contentious motions that kept the case going far too long, Jarmoc said. By the time Jennifer Dulos disappeared in 2019, custody and children support issues still hadn’t been resolved, court records show.
“The court didn’t put their foot down and say, ‘enough is enough,’ they didn’t do that,” Jarmoc said. “Family court definitely played a role in this, they didn’t stop it.”
Advocate: Knowing signs of domestic abuse critical in divorce cases like Dulos
Wow, the CT judges need more trining and tools to stop and say enough. The fact that FD violated court orders and JD was fearful IMO is enough to warrant an end to any more filings, he should have been done. Judge should have stepped in and said this is what is going to happen for the next year, with custody of kids, and granted divorce.
FD stalled on finances so he should have penalized in court decision with support payments - we know he was looking to get alimony orany money he could from JD......
Just a sad state of affairs. JD had to continually prove FD was not fit to be near her and children and they just didn't listen OMG.

What a way to live........

CT COURT SYSTEM HAS TO MAKE CHANGES AFTER THIS CASE, THE NATION IS WATHCING AND IS HORRIFIED.
 
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Is the death of MT's twin confirmed by an obit, death record, etc? The only mention I can find a "Michael Troconis" is on a Troconis family tree, but I always took that to be a typo for Michelle.

I'm also wondering about MT's NY psychiatric stay. Is there any more information about that floating around somewhere? I'm coming up empty.
What she has a dead twin? What age did he die?
Must have been a typo who would name their twins Michelle and Michael???
What Psychiatric stay in NY? These are important to understand how she could have participated in all this with no remorse.
She doesn't look sad at all.
If the love of my life died, and my job and home are at gone, and loss of child custody is a possibility, I would be so distraught.
If I was connected to a murder of a mother of 5 kids, I would be climbing the walls, couldn't live i my skin.......borderline suicidal myself.
MT's whole world has fallen apart.....she in not showing an emotional loss. Is she drugged?
Questions galore - all IMO - no facts just questions.....????
EBM - Typos
 
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KW's FB cover photo is him steering a boat with presumably his son.
BM

wonder where his boat was last May. Docked somewhere or trailored? Do not imagine him putting a body in his Mercedes, Saab or BMW unless he was very drunk, IMO. (Are these cars leased or owned?) would like to know if there was still a boat and if it was anywhere in particular. Boats, BTW, easier to wash than cars, IMO. (Do not, BTW, expect that the Courts would be kind to KM if much involvement was shown; knowledge of the law would be imputed to him and he would be harshly judged IMO.)
 
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there are some pre-FD, or at least pre- moving-into J4X, pictures in which she looks much happier and healthier IMO:

art show in miami in 2017

in the recent court and booking pictures, she looks haggard and horrible, IMO. her face looks more relaxed however, since FD died, IMO.

Yes, pre-murder plot pics, predictably show way less stress.
 
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Juxtaposing sections from the beginning and end of today’s Part III Air Mail story below (part IV coming next Saturday at 6am). Because it is still irking me.

sds71 already posted sections about MT earlier today which I vented about in an earlier post.

Here you can see how FD is made out as the victim, hoping his divorce could be handled amicably, driven back to his “familiar fishing hole” where he caught MT (the author imagines it might have been the same fishing hole where he reencountered JD, Aspen airport) because he had a wife and 5 kids in a big house in CT. Or maybe, according to the author, it was the employees and cars, you know, the Raptor, all those serial Suburbans? And that untrustworthy PG/EE who would rat on him several years into the future when he spilled “coffee” on his truck seat. Yeah, life was bad for FD so no wonder he went off to the “green sea of resort life where the rich and eligible and recently divorced swim by in teeming schools” to find some fun AKA MT (apparently the author got a glimpse of MT flashing a smile going in to court that demonstrated to him how much fun MT could have offered FD. The author puts that observation in there too.)

And then, after a couple years at least of hanging with the rich and eligible and recently divorced, suddenly FD was losing it all- you know, all that bad stuff that had driven him away in the first place? His wife, kids, the CT life, his business? And, he “had to pay all kinds of fees”-lawyers, psychiatrists, social workers. Dang, he just wanted an amicable divorce is all. And GF was suing him over money she and HF had lent him to buy a house. “Here was a man known to erupt that was being pressured from every side.” Tsk tsk. No wonder your daughter disappeared.

Eagerly await Part IV. In the meantime, here’s how the article is framed:

Murder in Fairfield County

Fotis Dulos hoped his divorce from Jennifer could be handled amicably. Instead, it was one of the most litigious in Connecticut’s history

Fotis was nearly 50 when he met Troconis, a dangerous age for a certain kind of man. To paraphrase T. S. Eliot, he had seen the moment of his greatness flicker, had seen the eternal Footman hold his coat and snicker. Was it his wife in Connecticut, the five kids, the house, the business and debt, the employees, cars, and trucks that sent him back to this familiar fishing hole, this green sea of resort life, where the rich and eligible and recently divorced swim by in teeming schools?
....
In short, Fotis was losing on every front. He was losing his wife, his kids, his business. He had to pay all kinds of fees—lawyers, social workers, psychiatrists. The debt, which accumulated day after day, was pushing him toward insolvency. Gloria Farber, who with her now deceased husband, Hilliard, had loaned Fotis millions over the years, was suing for the repayment of one particular loan, $1.5 million the Farbers had fronted their son-in-law so he could buy a house, which he renovated and put back on the market. Even after it was sold, Fotis only repaid a fraction of the loan (he claimed these were gifts). By the spring of 2019 he owed more than $4 million to banks and mortgage companies.

Here was a man, known to erupt when pressed and pressured, being pressed and pressured from every side.

Yeah-poor him!
 
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Juxtaposing sections from the beginning and end of today’s Part III Air Mail story below (part IV coming next Saturday at 6am). Because it is still irking me.

sds71 already posted sections about MT earlier today which I vented about in an earlier post.

Here you can see how FD is made out as the victim, hoping his divorce could be handled amicably, driven back to his “familiar fishing hole” where he caught MT (the author imagines it might have been the same fishing hole where he reencountered JD, Aspen airport) because he had a wife and 5 kids in a big house in CT. Or maybe, according to the author, it was the employees and cars, you know, the Raptor, all those serial Suburbans? And that untrustworthy PG/EE who would rat on him several years into the future when he spilled “coffee” on his truck seat. Yeah, life was bad for FD so no wonder he went off to the “green sea of resort life where the rich and eligible and recently divorced swim by in teeming schools” to find some fun AKA MT (apparently the author got a glimpse of MT flashing a smile going in to court that demonstrated to him how much fun MT could have offered FD. The author puts that observation in there too.)

And then, after a couple years at least of hanging with the rich and eligible and recently divorced, suddenly FD was losing it all- you know, all that bad stuff that had driven him away in the first place? His wife, kids, the CT life, his business? And, he “had to pay all kinds of fees”-lawyers, psychiatrists, social workers. Dang, he just wanted an amicable divorce is all. And GF was suing him over money she and HF had lent him to buy a house. “Here was a man known to erupt that was being pressured from every side.” Tsk tsk. No wonder your daughter disappeared.

Eagerly await Part IV. In the meantime, here’s how the article is framed:

Murder in Fairfield County

Fotis Dulos hoped his divorce from Jennifer could be handled amicably. Instead, it was one of the most litigious in Connecticut’s history

Fotis was nearly 50 when he met Troconis, a dangerous age for a certain kind of man. To paraphrase T. S. Eliot, he had seen the moment of his greatness flicker, had seen the eternal Footman hold his coat and snicker. Was it his wife in Connecticut, the five kids, the house, the business and debt, the employees, cars, and trucks that sent him back to this familiar fishing hole, this green sea of resort life, where the rich and eligible and recently divorced swim by in teeming schools?
....
In short, Fotis was losing on every front. He was losing his wife, his kids, his business. He had to pay all kinds of fees—lawyers, social workers, psychiatrists. The debt, which accumulated day after day, was pushing him toward insolvency. Gloria Farber, who with her now deceased husband, Hilliard, had loaned Fotis millions over the years, was suing for the repayment of one particular loan, $1.5 million the Farbers had fronted their son-in-law so he could buy a house, which he renovated and put back on the market. Even after it was sold, Fotis only repaid a fraction of the loan (he claimed these were gifts). By the spring of 2019 he owed more than $4 million to banks and mortgage companies.

Here was a man, known to erupt when pressed and pressured, being pressed and pressured from every side.

Couldn't agree with you more @sleuth66! And, when you juxtapose the above interpretation with the reality posted from the article shared by @sds71:

Jennifer Dulos told the judge her husband presented her on May 30, 2017 with a custody schedule that indicated he wanted the children throughout the summer, including weekends “except that I could have one weekend a month” and two full weeks, according to the transcript.
“I said this is too much, I don’t think I can agree to all this and we moved into the living room and he became enraged with me, that I wasn’t just going to agree to all of this,” she testified.
Fotis Dulos threatened to take the children “and disappear” while yelling about six inches from her face, she testified. Jennifer Dulos ran out of the house and down the street with him chasing her, and saying “he didn’t care what the neighbors heard,” she testified.
When they returned home, Fotis Dulos fished the pieces of the agreement that he had ripped up out of the garbage and told her to tape them together, Jennifer Dulos testified. It was in that moment, Jennifer Dulos testified, that she knew she had to escape and hire an attorney. The couple’s longtime nanny, Lauren Almeida, testified during the hearing that she overheard the incident.


This was Fd's idea of an amicable divorce...Go figger! So much for flowery, artistic magazine writing...IMO...MOO!
 
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I remember this post...it was a good one!

I went back and read that thread. It was crazy busy Sept 10 and 11.

It was a good post then and is a good post now.

This is my ultimate thought. Troconis appears highly convict able of conspiracy for murder. She was in ahead of the killing act, planning alibis, etc.

I don't buy that she was a only a "bit player," as her lawyer admitted. And I don't buy that she was the more motivated driving force of the murder. I am somewhere in between. She was a perpetrator with no legal and no moral defense, IMO. In fact, I should use the present tense, assuming her complicity continues. But she was groomed for abuse by Dulos, if not outright abused. And she certainly did not call the shots, IMO.

While conspiring to murder, I suspect she expected the murder to solve the problems Dulos had- the alleged only exception to his beautiful life. And Dulos' problem was her problem. I suspect she felt Dulos could focus more on their soulless goals as a couple withJennifer gone. I suspect she believed Jennifer was causing Dulos' "fighting all the time," behavior towards her. I suspect she believed that the divorce was a huge expense when there was so much other glittery (but ultimately soulless) stuff to do with the cash. I think it is likely that Fotis showed her glimpses of his abusive side and she blamed Jennifer for his abusive behavior to her. (I see glimpses of abuse in the crotch grab pic. I think Dulos flattered her with her coolness, sexiness, and non-Jenniferness so much that she missed the sexual possessiveness.)

Regarding that picture, the real message recipient and primary abuse victim was Jennifer in my opinion. I believe BellaVita called MT an "FU" to Jennifer, and I agree. Yet the pic showed control over Troconis, too, even if she was the smiling publisher, IMO.

I am not excusing MT, calling her a good person, claiming she is not legally guilty, or claiming she is not morally guilty.

So, perhaps what I am saying is ultimately irrelevant. (No more so than asserting the opposite.)

I do not buy that MT was the driving force or even equal co-driving force in the murder with Fotis.
 
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I went back and read that thread. It was crazy busy Sept 10 and 11.

It was a good post then and is a good post now.

This is my ultimate thought. Troconis appears highly convict able of conspiracy for murder. She was in ahead of the killing act, planning alibis, etc.

I don't buy that she was a only a "bit player," as her lawyer admitted. And I don't buy that she was the more motivated driving force of the murder. I am somewhere in between. She was a perpetrator with no legal and no moral defense, IMO. In fact, I should use the present tense, assuming her complicity continues. But she was groomed for abuse by Dulos, if not outright abused. And she certainly did not call the shots, IMO.

While conspiring to murder, I suspect she expected the murder to solve the problems Dulos had- the alleged only exception to his beautiful life. And Dulos' problem was her problem. I suspect she felt Dulos could focus more on their soulless goals as a couple withJennifer gone. I suspect she believed Jennifer was causing Dulos' "fighting all the time," behavior towards her. I suspect she believed that the divorce was a huge expense when there was so much other glittery (but ultimately soulless) stuff to do with the cash. I think it is likely that Fotis showed her glimpses of his abusive side and she blamed Jennifer for his abusive behavior to her. (I see glimpses of abuse in the crotch grab pic. I think Dulos flattered her with her coolness, sexiness, and non-Jenniferness so much that she missed the sexual possessiveness.)

Regarding that picture, the real message recipient and primary abuse victim was Jennifer in my opinion. I believe BellaVita called MT an "FU" to Jennifer, and I agree. Yet the pic showed control over Troconis, too, even if she was the smiling publisher, IMO.

I am not excusing MT, calling her a good person, claiming she is not legally guilty, or claiming she is not morally guilty.

So, perhaps what I am saying is ultimately irrelevant. (No more so than asserting the opposite.)

I do not buy that MT was the driving force or even equal co-driving force in the murder with Fotis.
I’m still stuck on equal.
The fact that after she spent the afternoon at MS and went along for the garbage dump, and had more then enough time to let that gel with the news that Jennifer was missing, she still had her teenage daughter stay in the home with FD, says she was up to her eyeballs to me.
Now that FD is gone, hopefully the evidence or KM will shed more light on her role.

I’m interested in what you’re saying about the “crotch grab” pic Have you seen one where it is FD grabbing her, which accounts for your read of possessiveness? I have seen the one of her gf grabbing her posted by another make BFF skiing buddy. He also posted and is picture in the one where she is smiling away while giving someone the finger. I believe those are from a July 2016.
I agree with your point that MT was meant to push Jd. Ugly ugly abuse.
 
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IMO its not as intuitively obvious to 'get someone' that is simply a 'ghost' for lack of a better description. MT for lack of a better description is simply an 'empty being'. Nothing there and a perfect foil for someone like Fd. But, this doesn't mean she is weak or that she isn't dangerous. Nope. IMO is a predator. She is a predator of other peoples husbands and boyfriends and possessions and she is motivated solely by what feels good and what makes her feel safe which IMO is money and the more of it the better. In the world of MT IMO, GREED IS GOOD!

These folks have no moral core and are all about 'whatever works' or 'whatever feels good' and so they morph into whatever they need to survive and cope in the relationship that they happen to be in.

But, make no mistake, these folks aren't weak and in their own way IMO they are quite dangerous because they have no boundaries and are willing to do whatever it takes, including masterminding possibly a murder, to get what they want or what they believe might make them feel better.

These people IMO are hollow with nothing inside. We have seen no remorse, interest, zero affect etc. from MT and that simply is who she is and how she rolls as she doesn't give a [REDACTED] about anyone else other than herself. Its simply that she doesn't give a [REDACTED] about anyone else other than herself and how she feels and IMO that was why we saw her crying her faux tears in Court in October when it was clear she had been replaced by AC and MT was sadly having to be bothered by being in Court being charged yet again.

If you go back to the brilliant pictures that the Daily Mail took at 4Jx when LE showed up to take Fd and MT to Litchfield for DNA testing to me they were quite telling. Who did we see talking and interacting and directing LE? Was it Fd? Nope, IT WAS MT! MT was front and center dealing with LE that day and we saw Fd hanging back and crossing his arms and possibly trying to hide his anxiety and poison ivy. Those pictures IMO told us a lot about the Fd/MT relationship and how Fd defined the role of MT and how she stepped up and filled it. Nope, I think we saw co-dependancy on a whole new level in those photos and I think the relationship between these 2 co-conspirators was such that each knew what the other was thinking and MT knew at all times what she had to do to keep Fd in line and how she was to meet his demands and expectations.

MOO

Absolutely agree with on this insightful evaluation of the danger of MT. From your post @afitzy:
But, this doesn't mean she is weak or that she isn't dangerous. Nope. IMO is a predator. She is a predator of other peoples husbands and boyfriends and possessions and she is motivated solely by what feels good and what makes her feel safe which IMO is money and the more of it the better. In the world of MT IMO, GREED IS GOOD!

Dial back to the recent hearing in which MT thought everything was going to be different. She whips her headphones aside, shaking her head, "NO, NO"....indicating she must be allowed to have free rein of her time for her business. She doesn't acknowledge the judge's objections or seem cognizant of them. She's in her own world of me. Fd is dead and she sees herself as free of any problems, IMO. Why should she be inconvenienced in her opinion....moving on...it's all over but the shouting. The woman is clueless and sees no boundaries. As you stated she isn't weak...she only cares about MT and MT's wants.

Whereas JFd was horrified by her husband's revenge fantasies, MT encouraged and embellished them, IMO. She would support his anger and fantasize with him about ways to end their problem with JFd. Personally, I see MT as helping to shape Fd's plan to end their problem and make JFd "disappear." She badgered Fd for closure on the JFd relationship. She went to NY to check on the trust funds set up for children. (Heck, she could send them to boarding school, if necessary.) Fd and MT argued because she was tired of waiting. She wanted JFd gone...and Fd to herself in her mansion with room for all her relatives. She was only concerned with her needs...not the needs of JFd...not the needs of 5 children...She was angry and wanted HER NEEDS met.
 
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