Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #54

[Seattle1]

I believe the state charges on probable cause as presented by LE and a warrant signed by prosecutor and issued by judge. But I won't mind being corrected if I'm not right. Then the accused can ask for a probable cause hearing. I think most of them waive the pc hearing bc if the state presents its case for probable cause, then the defense will have to counter it, thereby revealing its strategy. MOO

Yes - the information and complaint resulted in the arrest warrant which required probable cause, and charges filed without an indictment.

Unlike Colorado which requires a preliminary hearing (or the hearing waived) prior to the arraignment, it seems that CT arraigns the Defendant, and a "probable cause" hearing is supposed to be held within 60 days of arraignment unless waived.

Since this case has moved to the "pretrial process" and not any closer to trial, I'm convinced that in CT, this must be by design -- hoping a plea agreement will be reached (during this lengthy pretrial process) and the case can go straight to the sentencing hearing.

Also, I don't think it helps that Attorney JS continues to clog the court and drag out the pretrial process will all his bogus motions

https://www.jud.ct.gov/Publications/VS048.pdf

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5/21/21

Although jury trials are set to resume next month across Connecticut, other cases are in the queue ahead of those against Troconis and Kent Mawhinney, Dulos’ friend and former attorney who also faces a conspiracy charge in connection with Farber Dulos’ disappearance, Blawie said. Both prosecutors and Troconis’ defense attorney Jon Schoenhorn also have outstanding motions to address before her case could be scheduled, so it’s most likely it will not go to trial until sometime in 2022, the sides agreed Tuesday.

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“We do have the luxury of some time ... it is not likely, given the number of older cases ahead, that this case will be tried in the next couple months,” Blawie said.

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The case will return to court in mid-September when Superior Court Judge Gary White will hear Schoenhorn’s challenge that state police never had probable cause to charge Troconis with evidence tampering in the first place based on security camera footage capturing Dulos disposing of evidence with a woman believed to be Troconis with him in his truck in Hartford.

Michelle Troconis appears in court day after second anniversary of disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos; trial unlikely until 2022 5/21/2021

 

[Jmoose]

Hmm-Schoenhorn’s latest motion seems to be going after Judge Blawie and his decision to allow searches of all of MT, MA and NB’s electronic devices, saying that the warrant to search them was improper and overbroad. That doesn’t seem like a recipe for success to me.

I saw the latest demand in Marissa Alter’s Facebook post; can’t find it from another source so I can post it yet (technological dope that I am)

 

[Jmoose]

Nevermind-I couldn’t copy it from the F’book post. He wants the devices returned, and all information from Mt’s IPhone X suppressed because of the unconstitutional and warrantless seizure and search of it. Sounds to me like there might have been evidence found on it.

 

[sleuth66]

Yes - the information and complaint resulted in the arrest warrant which required probable cause, and charges filed without an indictment.

Unlike Colorado which requires a preliminary hearing (or the hearing waived) prior to the arraignment, it seems that CT arraigns the Defendant, and a "probable cause" hearing is supposed to be held within 60 days of arraignment unless waived.

Since this case has moved to the "pretrial process" and not any closer to trial, I'm convinced that in CT, this must be by design -- hoping a plea agreement will be reached (during this lengthy pretrial process) and the case can go straight to the sentencing hearing.

Also, I don't think it helps that Attorney JS continues to clog the court and drag out the pretrial process will all his bogus motions

https://www.jud.ct.gov/Publications/VS048.pdf

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5/21/21

Although jury trials are set to resume next month across Connecticut, other cases are in the queue ahead of those against Troconis and Kent Mawhinney, Dulos’ friend and former attorney who also faces a conspiracy charge in connection with Farber Dulos’ disappearance, Blawie said. Both prosecutors and Troconis’ defense attorney Jon Schoenhorn also have outstanding motions to address before her case could be scheduled, so it’s most likely it will not go to trial until sometime in 2022, the sides agreed Tuesday.

[..]

“We do have the luxury of some time ... it is not likely, given the number of older cases ahead, that this case will be tried in the next couple months,” Blawie said.

[..]

The case will return to court in mid-September when Superior Court Judge Gary White will hear Schoenhorn’s challenge that state police never had probable cause to charge Troconis with evidence tampering in the first place based on security camera footage capturing Dulos disposing of evidence with a woman believed to be Troconis with him in his truck in Hartford.

Michelle Troconis appears in court day after second anniversary of disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos; trial unlikely until 2022 5/21/2021

CT courts are backlogged, other high profile murder cases are still trying to lurch along, delta variant setbacks and general chaos really slowing things down.
Very frustrating but a huge boon for MT, more time to party and spend with family and friends jetsetting when she could have been locked up long ago if not for COVID. And for JS too, keep filing buddy! Watch those billables rack up.

Heres an article that mentions some of the cases ahead in line and includes MT as a “high profile murder case”.
From JS filings, doesn’t look like a plea agreement is in the works-yet. Now they’ve got everything from her phone though, so maybe MT will eventually see the light.

Other high-profile cases are not yet scheduled and may not begin until next year, including the much-anticipated conspiracy cases against Fotis Dulos’ former girlfriend Michelle Troconis and friend Kent Mawhinney in the death of Dulos’ wife Jennifer Farber Dulos, and the murder trial against Richard Dabate, who is accused of killing his wife, Connie Dabate.

Jury selection in brutal Griswold triple murder slow and tedious as Connecticut courts look to resume trials with potential new COVID-19 restrictions looming

 

[Jmoose]

CT courts are backlogged, other high profile murder cases are still trying to lurch along, delta variant setbacks and general chaos really slowing things down.
Very frustrating but a huge boon for MT, more time to party and spend with family and friends jetsetting when she could have been locked up long ago if not for COVID. And for JS too, keep filing buddy! Watch those billables rack up.

Heres an article that mentions some of the cases ahead in line and includes MT as a “high profile murder case”.
From JS filings, doesn’t look like a plea agreement is in the works-yet. Now they’ve got everything from her phone though, so maybe MT will eventually see the light.

Other high-profile cases are not yet scheduled and may not begin until next year, including the much-anticipated conspiracy cases against Fotis Dulos’ former girlfriend Michelle Troconis and friend Kent Mawhinney in the death of Dulos’ wife Jennifer Farber Dulos, and the murder trial against Richard Dabate, who is accused of killing his wife, Connie Dabate.

Jury selection in brutal Griswold triple murder slow and tedious as Connecticut courts look to resume trials with potential new COVID-19 restrictions looming

Not so fast re: a plea deal…he has demanded that all evidence procured from the phone be suppressed; there won’t be any hint of a plea deal until the court tosses this ridiculous motion. In the meantime, she is living it up in Miami…no photos of her in CT for months.

 

[sds71]

Michelle Troconis wants cellphone returned two years after Jennifer Dulos disappearance

 

[Alkali13]

Long time no see everybody. Just saw JS's latest motion and figured I would pop in.

I agree @Jmoose that *something* must have been found on the phone to warrant this motion. Maybe JS is finally getting through all of the evidence from discovery he swore he didn't have for so long...

Do we know of anything that could be important from MT's phone? We have a lot of records of FD and KM, but I'm not recalling anything for MT, other than maybe the cell phone tower pings?

 

[Alkali13]

Michelle Troconis wants cellphone returned two years after Jennifer Dulos disappearance

From the article:
"“They looked at every call, every text, every like, every photo and every video,” said Schoenhorn who previously called it a “digital strip search.”"

Um... yeah? Isn't that how evidence collection works, bro?

ETA: Why repeatedly motion to get your phone back after over two years for no reason? You clearly have a new phone. If there isn't anything on it incriminating, what's the point?

 

[Jmoose]

Michelle Troconis wants cellphone returned two years after Jennifer Dulos disappearance

thank you!

 

[Jmoose]

Long time no see everybody. Just saw JS's latest motion and figured I would pop in.

I agree @Jmoose that *something* must have been found on the phone to warrant this motion. Maybe JS is finally getting through all of the evidence from discovery he swore he didn't have for so long...

Do we know of anything that could be important from MT's phone? We have a lot of records of FD and KM, but I'm not recalling anything for MT, other than maybe the cell phone tower pings?

I think it’s probably just the timing of all of the calls betw Mt, fD, KM, and maybe the serbian/albanian used car dealer

 

[sleuth66]

Long time no see everybody. Just saw JS's latest motion and figured I would pop in.

I agree @Jmoose that *something* must have been found on the phone to warrant this motion. Maybe JS is finally getting through all of the evidence from discovery he swore he didn't have for so long...

Do we know of anything that could be important from MT's phone? We have a lot of records of FD and KM, but I'm not recalling anything for MT, other than maybe the cell phone tower pings?

Long time no see everybody. Just saw JS's latest motion and figured I would pop in.

I agree @Jmoose that *something* must have been found on the phone to warrant this motion. Maybe JS is finally getting through all of the evidence from discovery he swore he didn't have for so long...

Do we know of anything that could be important from MT's phone? We have a lot of records of FD and KM, but I'm not recalling anything for MT, other than maybe the cell phone tower pings?

Hmm, anything important from MTs phone?
Remember that she and FD had a tech consultant come in and delete images from MTs phone? Must have been something she wanted to get rid of…
(Maybe KM did some talking? He was in court 3 days before the phone warrant, begging to get his own ankle monitor released…did he give something up that caused them to get the warrant?)


On June 1, about a week after the investigation began, the police arrested Mr. Dulos and his then-girlfriend, Michelle C. Troconis, and charged them with evidence tampering and hindering prosecution.

The next day, a man who served as a tech consultant for Mr. Dulos and his luxury-development business told the police that Ms. Troconis had asked him to back up her phone and computer to an external hard drive, according to a warrant. After doing so, he deleted images from her phone.

The consultant told the police that while helping Ms. Troconis, he commented that Ms. Dulos’s disappearance “must be really tough” on Mr. Dulos, according to the warrant. He said Ms. Troconis’s response was simply, “a weird look.”

The consultant also told the police that Mr. Dulos used an online data storage provider, Backblaze, to backup his files to the cloud. The police asked Backblaze to preserve all of Mr. Dulos’s records and eventually obtained a warrant for his data.

In their request for the warrant, the police said they thought that the attack on Ms. Dulos involved a “significant amount of pre-planning” as well as a “substantial effort” by both Mr. Dulos and Ms. Troconis to hide evidence. They believed the Backblaze data might provide more evidence that Ms. Dulos was murdered.

Jennifer Dulos: 5 Revelations From the Missing Mother Murder Case (Published 2020)

 

[Tink56]

First page of Schoenhorn's new motion:
JS is ramping up to offuscate the business of the upcoming pre-trial hearing....again. He wants the potential jury pool to believe Ms Troconis have been abused by LE. UGH!

Wonder what they found on the Michi's phone?

 

[Jmoose]

First page of Schoenhorn's new motion:
JS is ramping up to offuscate the business of the upcoming pre-trial hearing....again. He wants the potential jury pool to believe Ms Troconis have been abused by LE. UGH!

Wonder what they found on the Michi's phone?
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Well, I don’t know that they necessarily found anything, but MT and her lawyer must know what is on her phone, so the fact that they want anything that is found, to be suppressed, is telling.

 

[Diddian]

Long time no see everybody. Just saw JS's latest motion and figured I would pop in.

I agree @Jmoose that *something* must have been found on the phone to warrant this motion. Maybe JS is finally getting through all of the evidence from discovery he swore he didn't have for so long...

Do we know of anything that could be important from MT's phone? We have a lot of records of FD and KM, but I'm not recalling anything for MT, other than maybe the cell phone tower pings?

On a handwritten log she prepared of her phone activity on the day JD disappeared, MT included some entries indicating incoming and outgoing calls to a number MT identified as that of a certain family member around the time JD was abducted the morning of May 24, 2019. For example:

• "Mami" Outgoing 16 minutes 7:45-8:01
• "Mami" Outgoing 5 sec
• "Mami" Incoming 2 minutes 8:02-8:04

However, also IIRC, FD was paying for certain cellphones used by MT's family members, so it is not clear WHOSE phones those really are or in whose hands those phones were that morning. Were they phones FD provided for MT's family member's use when they were visiting in CT? ETA: Were they burner phones and MT was mislabeling whose phones they were on her logs?

If I were to hazard a guess, I think the urgency of getting those phones returned has something to do with that.

ETA: Those calls were made around the time JD left her home to drop the children off at school and then texted the nanny at 7:57 am about plans for later that day. IIRC, JD's Suburban was seen on surveillance on the way back to her home at 8:05 am.

ETA: Here is my original post about it back when we were discussing it here:
Deceased/Not Found - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #52

 

[Megnut]

On a handwritten log she prepared of her phone activity on the day JD disappeared, MT included some entries indicating incoming and outgoing calls to a number MT identified as that of a certain family member around the time JD was abducted the morning of May 24, 2019. For example:

• "Mami" Outgoing 16 minutes 7:45-8:01
• "Mami" Outgoing 5 sec
• "Mami" Incoming 2 minutes 8:02-8:04

However, also IIRC, FD was paying for certain cellphones used by MT's family members, so it is not clear WHOSE phones those really are or in whose hands those phones were that morning. Were they phones FD provided for MT's family member's use when they were visiting in CT?

If I were to hazard a guess, I think the urgency of getting those phones returned has something to do with that.

ETA: Those calls were made around the time JD left her home to drop the children off at school and then texted the nanny at 7:57 am about plans for later that day. IIRC, JD's Suburban was seen on surveillance on the way back to her home at 8:05 am.

Did we ever get a census for 4J on the night before? A roster from the undeserved (not enough meat) dinner party.... any child(ren)... any family (child tenders)?

The phones, the cars, the players, it's dizzying.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

Did we ever get a census for 4J on the night before? A roster from the undeserved (not enough meat) dinner party.... any child(ren)... any family (child tenders)?

The phones, the cars, the players, it's dizzying.

JMO

One thing I think important to remember:
LE has already learned from interviews with MT that certain items included on the activity log created by MT were not true (such as the early morning intimacy in the shower with FD, when MT has subsequently admitted she did not see FD that morning). So, it cannot be presumed that items on the phone log created by MT were true (including identification of certain persons in relation to specific cellphone numbers).

LE ran a tower dump for the Frogtown Rd tower around the time those three incoming/outgoing calls occurred. So, they likely know whether or not there were calls between MT and a phone in the area of 69 Welles Ln at the time MT indicated she was communicating with a person she identifies as "Mami" on her log.

If a phone in the area of Frogtown Rd was the one MT was communicating with and if that phone is the same one JS is trying to recover from LE, then MT - by including these calls on her log with the notation they are with "Mami" - is placing "Mami" in the area of JD's abduction minutes before that abduction occurred. If MT lied about who was on the other side of those critical time communications on her phone log, then someone else was using that phone at that time (perhaps FD and/or an accomplice reporting in real time their tracking of JD immediately before her abduction) and I cannot for the life of me understand why MT and her attorney are attempting to connect that phone to MT's family member by demanding its return to that family member. They can hardly claim they didn't know FD was using "Mami's" phone if MT spoke with whoever had it at such a critical time.

Perhaps they just hope to snooker the judge if he is not paying close attention.

Also interesting from MT's phone log (which JS added as Exhibit H to one of his motions): 3 cancelled calls at 8:53 am, 8:54 am, and 8:55 am (to Dani, Papi, and Bruja, respectively). The brief call from AT to FD's cell phone occurred at 8:24 am and MT answered that call. I find it interesting that less than a half hour after that incoming call from AT (which looks like a "signal" to me given it occurred 19 minutes after JD was spotted on a neighbor's surveillance driving her Suburban back to her home), MT makes 3 calls and cancels them. Who makes 3 consecutive calls to 3 separate numbers, allows them to ring, and cancels each one of them? Those look suspiciously like signals to me as well.

Minutes after making those 3 cancelled calls, MT took off for her 2-hour-plus round of 3 errands (incl. the photo with the store robot) which served as alibi for her.

 

[Laughing]

Now if those calls were indeed to Mami's phone, maybe they plan to blame Mami for Jennifer's murder???

Wouldn't that be interesting!

Connecticut can file more charges against more people!!!

fD isn't here to explain, by choice; Norm Pattis can't tell us what fD claimed, by court order.

Interesting, interesting!

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[pernickety]

One thing I think important to remember:
LE has already learned from interviews with MT that certain items included on the activity log created by MT were not true (such as the early morning intimacy in the shower with FD, when MT has subsequently admitted she did not see FD that morning). So, it cannot be presumed that items on the phone log created by MT were true (including identification of certain persons in relation to specific cellphone numbers).

LE ran a tower dump for the Frogtown Rd tower around the time those three incoming/outgoing calls occurred. So, they likely know whether or not there were calls between MT and a phone in the area of 69 Welles Ln at the time MT indicated she was communicating with a person she identifies as "Mami" on her log.

If a phone in the area of Frogtown Rd was the one MT was communicating with and if that phone is the same one JS is trying to recover from LE, then MT - by including these calls on her log with the notation they are with "Mami" - is placing "Mami" in the area of JD's abduction minutes before that abduction occurred. If MT lied about who was on the other side of those critical time communications on her phone log, then someone else was using that phone at that time (perhaps FD and/or an accomplice reporting in real time their tracking of JD immediately before her abduction) and I cannot for the life of me understand why MT and her attorney are attempting to connect that phone to MT's family member by demanding its return to that family member. They can hardly claim they didn't know FD was using "Mami's" phone if MT spoke with whoever had it at such a critical time.

Perhaps they just hope to snooker the judge if he is not paying close attention.

Also interesting from MT's phone log (which JS added as Exhibit H to one of his motions): 3 cancelled calls at 8:53 am, 8:54 am, and 8:55 am (to Dani, Papi, and Bruja, respectively). The brief call from AT to FD's cell phone occurred at 8:24 am and MT answered that call. I find it interesting that less than a half hour after that incoming call from AT (which looks like a "signal" to me given it occurred 19 minutes after JD was spotted on a neighbor's surveillance driving her Suburban back to her home), MT makes 3 calls and cancels them. Who makes 3 consecutive calls to 3 separate numbers, allows them to ring, and cancels each one of them? Those look suspiciously like signals to me as well.

Minutes after making those 3 cancelled calls, MT took off for her 2-hour-plus round of 3 errands (incl. the photo with the store robot) which served as alibi for her.

Doesn't "Bruja" mean witch in Spanish?

 

[Laughing]

Doesn't "Bruja" mean witch in Spanish?

According to Google Translate, yes. Interesting!

(Is that the source of the term "brou-ha-ha?")

 

[sleuth66]

Doesn't "Bruja" mean witch in Spanish?

According to MTs handwritten notes, there was also an incoming call from “Bruja” at 5:26 pm that day, around the time MT took off with the keys to the Tacoma and had to be summoned by FD to return with them (FD incoming call at 5:16pm).
(Note that “Bruja” can also be used in a much more negative sense (as in profanity), rhymes with the more standard English translation).