If the prosecution wanted JS disqualified bc they wanted to call him as a witness as to where he got the pail with the sweatshirt, etc. in it, they’d also have to call MT’s former atty, Bowman, bc he admitted giving it to JS. Bowman said he couldn’t quite remember where he got it, but it wasn’t from the defendant, and he thought NP gave it to him. NP would be the obvious source, having gotten it from FD, and after FD’s death passed it on to Bowman. But wasn’t that evidence that FD was concealing from the investigation? Remember, FD and MT were first arrested for concealing evidence, by disposing of the blood-stained clothing, etc. NP would have to be called as a witness, too. If he helped FD conceal from LE that he had the pail with the sweatshirt (that PG said he found in his vehicle and put in FD’s laundry room) wouldn’t NP also be guilty of conspiracy to obstruct the investigation? Crime is an exception to the attorney-client privilege. That’s something I’ve wondered about.
You and me both. I speculated in writing here sometime probably years ago now that I wondered at what point a defendant's attorney might actually be considered by his participation in hiding evidence to have joined the conspiracy crime.
Wasn’t there a bucket possibly missing from Jennifer’s, but the nanny couldn’t recall the color? Imagine trying to remember, in someone else’s house, what is supposed to be there, but isn’t?
Bowman is full of crap, because he absolutely knows where he got it. Each one of those lawyers knows the chain of custody there. What bothers me is that after all of the wrangling over the bucket and sweatshirt, both sides agreed that they were not going to use it as evidence in her trial. And here she is on X (formerly Twitter) effectively displaying it as evidence, and saying that PG’s DNA is on it. I knew they would do it, but I thought it would come up in court, and be sustained when the prosecution objected.
Did MT say that her own DNA was (allegedly) found on the tools in the box that had the sweatshirt in it--the box that her attorney JS gave to the woman attorney who gave it to LE?
Nope-you said “allegedly”…I had not recalled that. So, on the tools inside the tool box, and the tool box was handed over with the bucket and hoodie?
I've speculated that when NP passed on the bucket contents to Bowman after FD's death, Bowman didn't want that possible evidence withheld from authorities in his possession, and it might've been the reason he withdrew from MT's representation. Eventually, JS might've come to think it wasn't a good idea to have it in his own possession, so he retained a personal lawyer for himself, delivered it to her in a box, but forgot to tell her he included a letter to her from himself in that box. The intent was, IMO, that she would give it to LE, but withhold the source, claiming attorney-client privilege. But she didn't open the box and never found the letter, but LE did. She probably didn't open the box because she wanted as little involvement as possible.
I think you’re right. She was supposed to find the letter, not LE. And I think this is the only reason the sweatshirt isn’t being introduced the way the defense wants to, during the trial, although they apparently mean to make sure the media has the information. I still wonder why the swearshirt matters, though-I mean, I assume the sweatshirt is PG’s; it has his DNA, and it was in his truck, where it wouldn’t be unusual to find it- I have a hoodie in my car, right now, too, which must have my DNA on it. What would be more significant to me is whether or not the one in question also has Jennifer Dulos’s DNA on it. The bucket…who knows who that bucket belongs to; I think I recall the nanny said a bucket that would have been in the garage was possibly missing, but if they could not identify the owner, and it had only DNA from MT and fD, then maybe it’s their bucket. Still-why make such a production out of some possibly insignificant items? The only answer is that they are not insignificant. I haven’t had coffee yet-somebody needs to explain this to me!
There's no proof that the sweatshirt that was found in the box JS gave to the attorney and which that attorney gave to LE that allegedly has PG's DNA on it was the same sweatshirt that was in the pail that PG said he found in his truck and then put in FD's laundry room years before. And PG's DNA could've been transferred to the sweatshirt in the box by unknown means by unknown person.
I don't think FD planned his story out to that degree. I think it came after, once the truck was identified.
When do you think fD realized that the truck he drove had been identified? He was never interrogated by the detectives, like MT was-I don’t know if he really understood all that they knew, until he was arrested in January of 2020-but I wonder if he was informed prior to his arrest (for example…knew that Pg’s truck had been recorded, but they didn’t tell him that they knew he was driving it). I am not familiar with the process, so I don’t what he was told, and when.
Perhaps it was all an unhappy surprise to him when his attorney shared the first arrest warrant with him. Like scenes of his life flashing before his dark eyes.
This is how I imagine it going, too. The two of them, both depressed at rverything that LE knew. I always thought that fD thought he might have gotten away with it, until the arrest warrant was delivered. Then he knew, that they knew pretty much all of it.
It's what I remember from a news report I read just after LE got the box JS gave to the attorney he retained. I don't remember report said there was a "tool box." Only tools (the type, I think, was named in report) that were in a "box" given to that female lawyer. And report said FD's DNA wasn't on sweatshirt AIR.
Or PG could have seen the bucket he did not recognize in his truck when he went to get his tools on that Tuesday after Memorial Day, taken the bucket out, pulled the sweatshirt out of the bucket to see what it was, realized it was FD's sweatshirt rather than his own or that of anyone in his own family, put it back in the bucket, and innocently delivered the bucket with sweatshirt inside to FD's laundry room.
I agree. And another thing I wondered about is this: Was LE the first to get DNA testing done on that sweatshirt? Because how would FD, MT, NP or JS KNOW that FD's DNA was not on that sweatshirt and PG's was? I mean, before it was given to LE?
