Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #57

[afitzy]

Over/under, I say there's no chance she'll take the stand. JS is talking smack.

JMO

I also seriously question WHY MT and their PR are allowed to be on X and Social media as well as doing press interviews at the Courthouse? Why has the Judge not imposed a trial gag order to maintain some order in the pursuit of justice? We know the local Media have no standards in their coverage so these sound bites from the Troconis clan will be fodder for their clicks. Simply stunning that the Judge cannot maintain control of this process!

 

[afitzy]

Bbm

Oh, he was going absolutely nowhere with it.

Just taking up time, pretending he had relevancy.

We may be here in May.

JMO

I applaud your optimism with the May trial end date! State couldn't even enter 20 crime scene images in nearly 2 hrs with the jury being excused at least twice if I recall.

 

[Megnut]

I'm recalling that MT was quite upset when she learned that FD was at JFd's house, for the garden meal. I do detect some insecurity. She doesn't wear it well.

Bet she was always on the look out for FD's wandering eye. Cheaters cheat, it's what they do. She would know.

And just a quick footnote of my own: I really resent the JS/MT camp trying to portray JFd as mentally unstable. One, she may or may not have had mental health issues. That happens. It's not a character flaw! But also, married to FD? He's a crazy maker. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if JFd turned to the medical profession for help dealing with the stress and fatigue that FD generated. That actually goes to her credit. Attending to her mental health so she could better attend to her children.

Demonizing JFd or implying defect -- that just points back at them. Gross.

I doubt they'll be able to introduce anything of the sort at trial anyway.

I'm anxious to get into the heart of the case. I want KM in the witness box.

JMO

 

[pernickety]

Yes, your recollection about leaving car running is the same as mine. I also wonder (but don't remember as we must have discussed the onboard computer system ages ago) whether leaving the vehicle the way it was (out of gas and dead battery) had the effect of impacting the computer system? We know the key fob was brought to Lapham Road but my recollection was that the vehicle was dead so the key fob was useless at the scene. Someone posted about the battery issues with the 2017 Suburbans which might answer the question of why the vehicle died but I don't know the impact of a dead battery on the data in the OnStar system? I still believe the body of JD is in the NC area based on the timeline and wonder if the computer system of the Suburban might shed more light on what precisely happened? We have never seen any evidence from the OnStar so far as I recall so I wonder if the reason why is because it doesn't exist? I truly don't know. I hope the strongest evidence has never been publicly seen as it was encouraging to see such clear scene footage from the neighbours security cams. I've always questioned the bloody footprint in the Welles garage so perhaps we might get some answers about it as well.

Sadly on the issue of JS (all my thoughts about JS are morose....),I think its just about creating doubt and confusion which is what JS has been doing all along. IMO he is greatly out of his depth professionally in this case so the only things in his toolbox are the disrupt and disorder tactics that we have sadly seen so far.

At this point I feel sorry for the jury to enter this complex case with no framework for understanding. Most here on WS have been here since the beginning and have a solid grasp of the facts and understand a good portion of the publicly available evidence. Can you imagine the position the State has put the jurors in with this presentation style? I'm frankly enraged about it all on behalf of the victims after just a few days of trial. Hope I'm wrong but in my experience the State of CT never fails to disappoint and so far they have exceeded even my expectations as to their performance. I also feel for law enforcement as they worked very diligently to prosecute this case and their every effort is allowed to be undermined by the decisions of the Judge in the case and the seeming inability of the State to even introduce basic crime scene evidence.

On the topography question. Yes, the Merritt does change elevation and at some points of Waveny is at the same level as the walking paths (recollection is as you approach South Avenue (other side boundary of Waveny Park) the park path and the Merritt get closer together to the point where at South Avenue they are moving together at same elevation).

JS has to prove nothing, just sow doubt. I'm frankly still reeling from Prosecution waiving Opening Statements as IDK how Jurors can process this mountain of evidence with no roadmap and get to a conviction for conspiracy.

Will continue to hang with the case to see if justice can be delivered to the victims but I'm profoundly disappointed so far both in terms of the States presentation as well as the Judge's courtroom management (or lack thereof).

Thanks for the info on the elevation issue. I too await testimony on the bloody footprint (and partial footprint too?). When Waveny Park was described by the LE witness, I thought the presence of buildings was omitted? Isn't there a theater there and a large house used for public meetings and events? Haven't been there in ages. (Sorry I have no experience or knowledge on car batteries/computer issues in Suburbans)

 

[Diddian]

I would have liked to see MT interrogated by someone who leaned in toward her, all sympathetic like. Like the pair who interviewed ChrisWatts. Get her talking. About her perfect life, how loving and attentive FD is, how difficult blended families are, Yada, yada. Let her expand on her sexcapades and her travels and how smart she is.... and then tighten the screws...

Jmo

IMO, it's hard to say whether ANY interview technique would have been successful in opening MT up to tell anything but lies. She's STILL doing it, through others.

Chris Watts committed those murders on his own and was carrying the burden of those acts on his conscience alone. So, the only script he needed to be separated from was the one he had developed and was trying to keep intact himself. Many times I've heard LE describe how certain physical characteristics or movements betray the internal conflict that is occurring when a person tries to do that. ETA: And the interviewer likely looks for those cues in determining whether they might be able to break through.

In contrast, FD, MT, and KM developed their plans together and IMO, at least FD and MT had been doing so for months, so they were heavily invested in sticking to the script and were reliant on each of them doing so. FD wasn't talking at all. MT - likely because she could provide evidence (picture with store robot, errands to visit friends in person) that she wasn't at the murder scene at the time JFD was attacked and taken - thought she was in the clear. She obviously had no awareness that the law considers conspiracies to murder (involving the failure of multiple consciences working together, rather than just one) at least as serious as murder alone (just as her father appears not to understand even now).

 

[afitzy]

I'm recalling that MT was quite upset when she learned that FD was at JFd's house, for the garden meal. I do detect some insecurity. She doesn't wear it well.

Bet she was always on the look out for FD's wandering eye. Cheaters cheat, it's what they do. She would know.

And just a quick footnote of my own: I really resent the JS/MT camp trying to portray JFd as mentally unstable. One, she may or may not have had mental health issues. That happens. It's not a character flaw! But also, married to FD? He's a crazy maker. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if JFd turned to the medical profession for help dealing with the stress and fatigue that FD generated. That actually goes to her credit. Attending to her mental health so she could better attend to her children.

Demonizing JFd or implying defect -- that just points back at them. Gross.

I doubt they'll be able to introduce anything of the sort at trial anyway.

I'm anxious to get into the heart of the case. I want KM in the witness box.

JMO

Agree.

JS had already tried if I recall have the family court files unsealed as part of his strategy. I believe this failed but would have unsealed all kinds of health records of the ENTIRE family which no doubt would have fuelled an entire barrage of victim shaming in court.

Domestic Violence and Narcissistic Personality disorder in FD no doubt had a profoundly detrimental impact on the mental health of not only JD but her entire family imo and its shameful that the Troconis family feels it remotely appropriate to comment on anything related to the victim in the case - YES, JD was a victim! I will say it again, JD was a a victim and deserves to be respected by all parties involved in this sorry case.

To the extent that the VICTIM sought mental health and medical support in recovering and coping with a horrific personal situation then IMO she should be applauded and not denigrated by the Troconis clan. But, this is probably too much to expect from the family at this point as shame doesn't seem to be in their emotional wheelhouse so far as I can tell and certainly from MT who if I recall was described as having sex with FD against the side of the Red Tacoma truck at Mountain Spring Road so shame wouldn't be something she understood either! I find it somewhat incredible that Papa T is allegedly a credentialed MD in the US and Mama T (even though she lost her license following the Medicare fraud situation but oddly her 'business' seems to still be in operation in FL even though my recollection of the diversion agreement was that said business was to be shut down) had MS level training in the mental health field. Guess Mama T missed class on the days NPD and its impact on victims was discussed.

Oh well, so much for education and basic human decency from the Troconis clan. For this group of individuals to speculate with no specific knowledge on anything medical or mental health related imo constitutes VICTIM SHAMING AT ITS WORST and should be condemned. I hope the Judge shuts down the social media and media commentary by the Troconis clan but based on the way the courtroom seems to be handled thus far I'm not holding my breath that anything will change. So, will just continue to follow along and see how this farce proceeds.

I am quite disappointed that the Judge in the case has not set any trial related boundaries on social media or media for trial family, case participants and victims imo is just wrong.

But, in a way having the social media commentary at the court room doors from the Troconis clan imo showed that no matter what your education, that profound ignorance as to the US judicial system can exist. Perhaps spending over 20 years benefiting from the opportunities and largess of the United States that the Troconis clan never fully integrated or cared to spend much time learning about the US legal system? I doubt this is the fact though as Mama T learned enough about the US Legal system to keep herself out of Federal Prison for Medicare Fraud via her diversion agreement. The Troconis clan know precisely what they saying and because of the state of media in the US there will be nobody with a microphone questioning that what they are saying makes zero sense and is irrelevant to the case. Had a good laugh (amidst a round of tears) that the Troconis clan and JS actually were seemingly honestly confused by the fact that the trial details seemed to relate to the murderer FD and not MT thus far. Do they not understand what exactly the charges related to conspiracy for MT include? MT looks perpetually confused as to why she is even in court and truly looked annoyed that she even had to show up in person this week!

 

[Diddian]

Yes, your recollection about leaving car running is the same as mine. I also wonder (but don't remember as we must have discussed the onboard computer system ages ago) whether leaving the vehicle the way it was (out of gas and dead battery) had the effect of impacting the computer system? We know the key fob was brought to Lapham Road but my recollection was that the vehicle was dead so the key fob was useless at the scene. Someone posted about the battery issues with the 2017 Suburbans which might answer the question of why the vehicle died but I don't know the impact of a dead battery on the data in the OnStar system? I still believe the body of JD is in the NC area based on the timeline and wonder if the computer system of the Suburban might shed more light on what precisely happened? We have never seen any evidence from the OnStar so far as I recall so I wonder if the reason why is because it doesn't exist? I truly don't know. I hope the strongest evidence has never been publicly seen as it was encouraging to see such clear scene footage from the neighbours security cams. I've always questioned the bloody footprint in the Welles garage so perhaps we might get some answers about it as well.

Sadly on the issue of JS (all my thoughts about JS are morose....),I think its just about creating doubt and confusion which is what JS has been doing all along. IMO he is greatly out of his depth professionally in this case so the only things in his toolbox are the disrupt and disorder tactics that we have sadly seen so far.

At this point I feel sorry for the jury to enter this complex case with no framework for understanding. Most here on WS have been here since the beginning and have a solid grasp of the facts and understand a good portion of the publicly available evidence. Can you imagine the position the State has put the jurors in with this presentation style? I'm frankly enraged about it all on behalf of the victims after just a few days of trial. Hope I'm wrong but in my experience the State of CT never fails to disappoint and so far they have exceeded even my expectations as to their performance. I also feel for law enforcement as they worked very diligently to prosecute this case and their every effort is allowed to be undermined by the decisions of the Judge in the case and the seeming inability of the State to even introduce basic crime scene evidence.

On the topography question. Yes, the Merritt does change elevation and at some points of Waveny is at the same level as the walking paths (recollection is as you approach South Avenue (other side boundary of Waveny Park) the park path and the Merritt get closer together to the point where at South Avenue they are moving together at same elevation).

JS has to prove nothing, just sow doubt. I'm frankly still reeling from Prosecution waiving Opening Statements as IDK how Jurors can process this mountain of evidence with no roadmap and get to a conviction for conspiracy.

Will continue to hang with the case to see if justice can be delivered to the victims but I'm profoundly disappointed so far both in terms of the States presentation as well as the Judge's courtroom management (or lack thereof).

BBM.

I worry about this lack of framework as well. Something that answers the question: what are we here for? Others here have reported that it is common in CT not to have opening statements, but WHY?

Does the State want to keep JAS guessing about their strategy?

Also, I haven't watched every single minute as I've had some interruptions, but JFD appears a ghost in the trial so far. Has even a photograph of JFD been shown? We've seen many of JFD's house, garage, and vehicles - even one (obliquely shown) of her children (photographed by LE from a photograph at JFD's house). Has the only inclusion of JFD so far been the reference to a missing person?

 

[afitzy]

Thanks for the info on the elevation issue. I too await testimony on the bloody footprint (and partial footprint too?). When Waveny Park was described by the LE witness, I thought the presence of buildings was omitted? Isn't there a theater there and a large house used for public meetings and events? Haven't been there in ages. (Sorry I have no experience or knowledge on car batteries/computer issues in Suburbans)

There is a large Waveny house on the hill overlooking the fields that is used for events and local meetings. There is another house adjacent to the dog park closer to Lapham Rd that is used for town purposes and I believe warming in the winter months. There is a pool house and outbuildings adjacent to the town pool which is close to Lapham Road. There is also the Lapham Center which functions as the Town Senior Center and is at the back of the park adjacent to NC High School fields and is the building furthest from either South Avenue or Lapham Rd.

I hope we hear from an OnStar expert on the issues associated with the Suburban. My guess is FD researched everything and so there was a reason the vehicle was left the way it was on Lapham Rd.

 

[afitzy]

BBM.

I worry about this lack of framework as well. Something that answers the question: what are we here for? Others here have reported that it is common in CT not to have opening statements, but WHY?

Does the State want to keep JAS guessing about their strategy?

Also, I haven't watched every single minute as I've had some interruptions, but JFD appears a ghost in the trial so far. Has even a photograph of JFD been shown? We've seen many of JFD's house, garage, and vehicles - even one (obliquely shown) of her children (photographed by LE from a photograph at JFD's house). Has the only inclusion of JFD so far been the reference to a missing person?

Nope. No JF in evidence (I would argue not even as a very faint ghost!) so far and it honestly makes me profoundly sad and I can only imagine how confused and bewildered the jury is as not only do they not understand the charges, who the defendant is or even what they are hearing in terms of the evidence presented so far.

The idea that legally JF was declared dead last week (not mentioned in Court at all if I recall) and the Judge thought it appropriate I believe to have JF referred to as "alleged victim" is something that I still cannot wrap my heard around. I guess the old adage about not looking to the law for justice is playing true in this case so far!

Haven't had time to see what the deal was with the lack of opening statements between the parties but with this huge amount of evidence and complexity of timeline, I'm at a loss as to what the State was thinking as they had the option to make an opening statement. Perhaps there is a method to the madness of the States presentation so far but I guess I'm just not smart enough to understand what it might be. I do have to say that I wonder who previewed the Prosecutors case at a higher level as based on what we have seen so far I'm not sure how the jurors will be able to make heads or tails of the evidence given the absence of narrative and context.

It's possible to keep cards close to your vest while still offering up a framework to the jury imo and it happens in other jurisdictions all the time. The lack of opening statement was a CHOICE and so we will just have to wait to see how this all plays out with the jury. But, my guess is that we might very well see jurors dropping like flies to the point where justice becomes impossible in this particular courtroom. Hope it doesn't come to that but I can have no optimism on this point, even in the early days of trial (I believe one of the alternates has already been lost) based on what has been seen so far.

 

[shotgun09]

IMO, MT and company are directly involved in steering this trial head on to a mistrial, by way of slowly and methodically torturing the jury, ending with a low count of jurors able to withstand the length and nonsense of it all. The judge must be aware of this. I simply cannot believe that he doesn't see this.

For crying out loud! I had TWO cigarettes lit at the same time yesterday !!! It was torture watching it.

 

[Megnut]

Long trials always made me nervous because it's a lot to ask of the fixed number of jurors and alternates. Situations arise in their lives and we lose some....hate to see a trial collapse over jury count.

I can't see any wisdom in waiving the opening statement. As for this preliminary stuff, I hope they're trying to get the dull parts out of the way. Okay, if there's some tested strategy in that.

I know the story, I've read the AWs, and I still feel kind of lost after the first couple days of trial. I can't begin to imagine how the jurors are feeling. Why are we here, indeed.

Opening statements introduce us to the parties, they introduce us to the victim, they tell us what to expect and what order to expect it in. Jennifer feels lost in this dry, hardstart approach. :/

I'm really looking forward to the data. The phones, the cars, the meet ups. The Luminol.

He missed the spots but Luminol won't lie; it'll light up what he smeared on clean up.

MT & Co don't seem to understand that the driver of the getaway car is just as guilty as the gunman. She's going down for this. I hope all told it totals LWOP. 20 years plus, consecutively.

I might have had an ounce of mercy for her if she crumpled, horrified by what happened on her watch as close as her fingertips. That she hasn't, that she's besmirching the victim and trying to repackage herself scares me. Rules don't apply. And that's why the State needs to put her away. She is a threat to decency.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

IMO, MT and company are directly involved in steering this trial head on to a mistrial, by way of slowly and methodically torturing the jury, ending with a low count of jurors able to withstand the length and nonsense of it all. The judge must be aware of this. I simply cannot believe that he doesn't see this.

For crying out loud! I had TWO cigarettes lit at the same time yesterday !!! It was torture watching it.

Exactly. At this rate, jurors might drop out of old age, natural causes.

Me too. Had two cigarettes lit. And I don't smoke.

JS needs to do his calisthenics outside the presence of the jury.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

Interesting interview with a former CT prosecutor about relevant issues such as why conspirators are charged regardless of whether they committed the criminal act for which the conspiracy was formed. Also addresses the recent declaration that JFD is dead (although he is incorrect in his understanding that it was this trial judge that made the declaration).

Former prosecutor dives deep into the Michelle Troconis trial

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (WTNH) – The trial for Michelle Troconis charged in the disappearance and death of Jennifer Farber Dulos, a New Canaan mother of five began on Thursday. News 8 spoke with Ryan McGu…

www.wtnh.com

ETA: it was a probate judge, Judge William P. Osterndoerf of Darien-New Canaan Probate Court, that declared JFD dead:

MSN

 

[nodamselindistress]

Yesterday irked me so danged much because I felt the prosecutor was building her narrative to end with the luminol photos which would be a chilling vision to leave the jurors with over the long weekend, but thanks to JS and his objections that went on and on and on, that whole plan was aborted. I'm also starting to doubt the Judge, although I like him very much, he has to put a lid on this.

 

[Megnut]

Yesterday irked me so danged much because I felt the prosecutor was building her narrative to end with the luminol photos which would be a chilling vision to leave the jurors with over the long weekend, but thanks to JS and his objections that went on and on and on, that whole plan was aborted. I'm also starting to doubt the Judge, although I like him very much, he has to put a lid on this.

Oh, geez. Bet you're right. That was JS's goal all along. To delay the luminol photos so they weren't introduced before the long weekend. Makes sense. He certainly was persistent. "Now the tape measure, was it inches or centimeters?...." said the drone.

He must really not want those shown.

Jmo

 

[afitzy]

I'm recalling that MT was quite upset when she learned that FD was at JFd's house, for the garden meal. I do detect some insecurity. She doesn't wear it well.

Bet she was always on the look out for FD's wandering eye. Cheaters cheat, it's what they do. She would know.

And just a quick footnote of my own: I really resent the JS/MT camp trying to portray JFd as mentally unstable. One, she may or may not have had mental health issues. That happens. It's not a character flaw! But also, married to FD? He's a crazy maker. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if JFd turned to the medical profession for help dealing with the stress and fatigue that FD generated. That actually goes to her credit. Attending to her mental health so she could better attend to her children.

Demonizing JFd or implying defect -- that just points back at them. Gross.

I doubt they'll be able to introduce anything of the sort at trial anyway.

I'm anxious to get into the heart of the case. I want KM in the witness box.

JMO

Haha! I think you answered your own question perfectly! 'Cheaters are going to Cheat'! MT watched FD like a hawk so the idea that she didn't know precisely where he was every step on the missing simply defies reality imo.

MT also hated JF as she knew that she was not on the same level as JF on any level and this fuelled her insecurity imo. MT was also angry about the ongoing custody mess, its financial impact on their lives as a couple and how FD was fixated on winning something from JF. The custody situation imo also fuelled her anger as she no doubt tormented FD about the divorce and how all his money was going up in smoke pursuing the Family Court rulings etc. MT had to know that the money was gone and that anything she had seen FD spend either in FL or CT really belonged to JF and her family.

I do wonder how MT could ever have thought that FD would marry her or that they could continue to live in a house effectively owned by the Farber family? To me the answer to this question of marriage was made clear when FD made the decision to murder JF. He couldn't have thought he would get away with things and at least in my mind this made it clear that he could have cared less about side piece MT! The entire situation with what MT was thinking during this period simply makes the head explode imo as how could she deny reality to the point where they didn't have money to eat out or pay their credit card bills? MT never worked or contributed to the finances so where did she think the money would come from? The only person in the overall situation that had money was JF and MT knew that clearly and so the money had to come from the only thing JF cared about which was her children and the trusts set up on their behalf. MT might not be the brightest bulb in the world but she is a master at sussing out and following the money. IMO she wanted the lifestyle but to have that lifestyle she needed money and so getting that money from JD was front and centre on her radar.

The KM situation is one that has me scratching my head wondering what the State might have up its sleeve. I do pray its something substantive and effectively puts the nail in the coffin of their case for conspiracy.

I commented above about my thoughts on the commentary from the Troconis family and the role that local media is playing to fuel it. There are no words to adequately describe the character of MT or her family. NONE.

 

[waldojabba]

Thanks for the info on the elevation issue. I too await testimony on the bloody footprint (and partial footprint too?). When Waveny Park was described by the LE witness, I thought the presence of buildings was omitted? Isn't there a theater there and a large house used for public meetings and events? Haven't been there in ages. (Sorry I have no experience or knowledge on car batteries/computer issues in Suburbans)

Regarding Waveny :
History — Waveny House

https://wavenyparkconservancy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/WAVENY-PARK-MAP-optimized.pdf

I was just at Waveny while in NC over the holidays. My senior prom was there in the house portion of the property many years ago and I have attended lots of weddings there.
The above first link gives you some history and also tells you what exists today.
The second link shows you the layout of the property. You need to zoom in but Lapham Rd, where her suburban was found iirc, is the road shown to the right on the layout and runs parallel to South Ave where the main entrance is located.
Waveny is a well used, well loved, wonderful amenity for the town
Imo

 

[Megnut]

Haha! I think you answered your own question perfectly! 'Cheaters are going to Cheat'! MT watched FD like a hawk so the idea that she didn't know precisely where he was every step on the missing simply defies reality imo.

MT also hated JF as she knew that she was not on the same level as JF on any level and this fuelled her insecurity imo. MT was also angry about the ongoing custody mess, its financial impact on their lives as a couple and how FD was fixated on winning something from JF. The custody situation imo also fuelled her anger as she no doubt tormented FD about the divorce and how all his money was going up in smoke pursuing the Family Court rulings etc. MT had to know that the money was gone and that anything she had seen FD spend either in FL or CT really belonged to JF and her family.

I do wonder how MT could ever have thought that FD would marry her or that they could continue to live in a house effectively owned by the Farber family? To me the answer to this question of marriage was made clear when FD made the decision to murder JF. He couldn't have thought he would get away with things and at least in my mind this made it clear that he could have cared less about side piece MT! The entire situation with what MT was thinking during this period simply makes the head explode imo as how could she deny reality to the point where they didn't have money to eat out or pay their credit card bills? MT never worked or contributed to the finances so where did she think the money would come from? The only person in the overall situation that had money was JF and MT knew that clearly and so the money had to come from the only thing JF cared about which was her children and the trusts set up on their behalf. MT might not be the brightest bulb in the world but she is a master at sussing out and following the money. IMO she wanted the lifestyle but to have that lifestyle she needed money and so getting that money from JD was front and centre on her radar.

The KM situation is one that has me scratching my head wondering what the State might have up its sleeve. I do pray its something substantive and effectively puts the nail in the coffin of their case for conspiracy.

I commented above about my thoughts on the commentary from the Troconis family and the role that local media is playing to fuel it. There are no words to adequately describe the character of MT or her family. NONE.

I think we're going to learn that KM wasn't at 4J that morning, just his phone. Which he probably recovered in the same way FD's was -- MT and her courier service.

And that leaves MT alone in an office with a landline and two cellphones, arranging to take a call from Greece. She didn't think that odd?

She had one job.

And then she was supposed to make herself seen. All about town.

I really hope she's enjoyed her freedom because I'm hoping it's about to come to a sharp end.

JMO

 

[Jmoose]

IMO, MT and company are directly involved in steering this trial head on to a mistrial, by way of slowly and methodically torturing the jury, ending with a low count of jurors able to withstand the length and nonsense of it all. The judge must be aware of this. I simply cannot believe that he doesn't see this.

For crying out loud! I had TWO cigarettes lit at the same time yesterday !!! It was torture watching it.

If that happens, the state will try her again, and it’s gonna cost those Troconises even more, and they’ll complain about that

 

[Diddian]

I think we're going to learn that KM wasn't at 4J that morning, just his phone. Which he probably recovered in the same way FD's was -- MT and her courier service.

And that leaves MT alone in an office with a landline and two cellphones, arranging to take a call from Greece. She's didn't think that odd?

She had one job.

And then she was supposed to make herself seen. All about town.

I really hope she's enjoyed her freedom because I'm hoping it's about to come to a sharp end.

JMO

I think the same. KM wasn't at 4JC, but his phone was, having been delivered (turned off) to FD during the "meat run" rendezvous that likely occurred with KM the evening of 5/23. Then, upon returning to 4JC, FD passed the phone to MT to manage it the next morning.

IIRC, on 5/24 KM's phone was at the Fore Group office at 4JC from 7:29 until 8:22 am; that is, it was turned off two minutes before the prearranged call from AT came in to FD's phone at 8:24 am. So, MT really didn't do such a great job managing KM's phone in such a way as to maintain the appearance KM was there when that call came in. Too many phones for a multi-degreed, multilingual, repeat CEO to manage at once, I guess.

I think there was more choreographing of vehicles AND phones than is widely assumed.