Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #57

[afitzy]

Reposting this dated article simply for the fun detail that FD and MT were originally arrested at a hotel. Based on their photos, they looked none too happy about it. Pity that.

JMO

Missing woman’s husband arrested; police descend on 2nd Farmington property

FARMINGTON –Fotis Dulos, 51, and his girlfriend Michelle Troconis, 44, were arrested late Saturday night at a Marriott in Avon in connection to the disapp...

www.fox61.com

Thanks for the memories of these photos as this was the long winding road to the inevitable arrests period! It was so unfortunate from the standpoint of evidence though that the time gap from missing/murder date until arrest was as long as it was imo. I always wondered how much evidence was destroyed during this period by FD AND MT? My prayer is that KM will shed a bright light on the evidence destruction undertaken by Bonnie and Clyde!

Honestly, they both look like the typical crackhead mug shots shown everyday on the news! I very much hope they were both drug tested that night!

 

[afitzy]

As a number of folks here have been commenting on the victim shaming social media posts of MT (in ingles btw!) along with the Courthouse door shot commentary from the entire Crew Troconis (all in ingles btw!) this past week with a guest appearance by JS (surprised he didn't make his comments in Spanish), I do wonder why this trial for MT doesn't have a gag order similar to the one that was in place for FD? These statements being made by the Crew AND MT Counsel do imo have the impact imo of tainting the public narrative of the trial given that there is little to no actual substantive news reporting (vs reposting a la NBC and CBS) on the trial.

I was just reviewing the prior gag order documents (too large to post document but will try to figure out a link from website and post later) from the FD trial and imo very strong arguments were made to impose the order. There is precedence in CT for a gag and frankly I think its well beyond time to shut down the online victim shaming of JF along with the Crew Trononis casting aspersions on the CT Judiciary and this particular Judge.

The VICTIM (yes, JS, JF was a VICTIM at the hands of FD AND MT) in this case is deceased and has no voice other than that of the Family Spokesperson for the Farber Family who has behaved with great restraint imo in the face of ongoing social media attacks from the Defendant in this case on JF. Now that the VICTIM shaming from MT is descending into realms of unsubstantiated/hearsay rumours about the VICTIM I do think its time for the Court to shut it down and issue censure of her legal representative for orchestrating it but repeating it.

Crew Troconis all seemed a bit dazed and confused based on their most recent Courtroom door comments about why the MT trial seems to be about FD or why FD is playing such a large role in the MT trial. While I personally have nothing but serious questions about the competency of JS to lead the defense, surely even JS as a Member of the CT Bar has the limited capacity to explain to his client and the clients family (who is no doubt paying his $600.00/hr fees) what precisely the Conspiracy to Commit Murder charge etc. involves and why FD lives large in the MT Courtroom?

 

[Jmoose]

@ 35: 57

Since when is Andrew Bowman a real estate attorney, and not a criminal defense attorney?

 

[LosAngeles]

Pretty sure he's criminal, tax litigation, white collar etc...and a brilliant one at that!

 

[Jmoose]

Pretty sure he's criminal, tax litigation, white collar etc...and a brilliant one at that!

Yep, that is my recollection. But the guys in this video claim that Bowman wasn’t even a criminal defense attorney-the said several times that he is a real estate attorney. Surely Mama A would never have let that happen!

 

[waldojabba]

Troconis’ father, Dr. Carlos Troconis, said outside the courthouse that “this looks like a trial for Fotis, and Fotis is no longer with us.” Hartford Courant

Appears the family doesn’t understand that they need to establish that a crime was committed (by Fotis) before they introduce their daughter’s involvement in the crime (with Fotis). A bit of a disconnect, in my opinion.

Oh I think they totally understand - they have been living it for over four years - they just don't agree with the law.

Imo of course Papa Troconis knows what the charges are all about concerning his daughter and the implications.
Iiirc correctly he is some type of doctor/surgeon, literate and presumably able to comprehend simple concepts.
I don’t think the family agrees with the law - and are out trolling for a ground swell of sympathy - bc of course you have to show Fotis killed Jennifer for MT to be an accessory.

I suspect there are many people who do not follow this case, crime or the law, who would be surprised to know that if you aid in the planning etc you are just as guilty and subject to the same penalties as if you committed the murder.If I did not follow this case I would prob have no idea. But so what lol - it is the law!

It's just the Doctor speaking as the victim's Dad spinning things for his daughter IMO. Bc you see Fotis is the villian not his daughter. To me he always has that look about him of what are we even doing here. My family and I are way above this. Arrogance. My daughter did not kill Jennifer, Fotis killed her. End of story now let’s move on.He knows it’s not that simple. He is just another guy trying to control the narrative. I don't think he is a guy who is used to not being in charge and just sitting on his hands. Just my take.

IMO its just noise - kind of like MT's twitter - they are just "spitting in to the wind" - very ineffective and maybe even counterproductive.
JMO

 

[LosAngeles]

They are incorrect. He's an excellent criminal defense attorney in Westport.

 

[Jmoose]

Oh I think they totally understand - they have been living it for over four years - they just don't agree with the law.

Imo of course Papa Troconis knows what the charges are all about concerning his daughter and the implications.
Iiirc correctly he is some type of doctor/surgeon, literate and presumably able to comprehend simple concepts.
I don’t think the family agrees with the law - and are out trolling for a ground swell of sympathy - bc of course you have to show Fotis killed Jennifer for MT to be an accessory.

I suspect there are many people who do not follow this case, crime or the law, who would be surprised to know that if you aid in the planning etc you are just as guilty and subject to the same penalties as if you committed the murder.If I did not follow this case I would prob have no idea. But so what lol - it is the law!

It's just the Doctor speaking as the victim's Dad spinning things for his daughter IMO. Bc you see Fotis is the villian not his daughter. To me he always has that look about him of what are we even doing here. My family and I are way above this. Arrogance. My daughter did not kill Jennifer, Fotis killed her. End of story now let’s move on.He knows it’s not that simple. He is just another guy trying to control the narrative. I don't think he is a guy who is used to not being in charge and just sitting on his hands. Just my take.

IMO its just noise - kind of like MT's twitter - they are just "spitting in to the wind" - very ineffective and maybe even counterproductive.
JMO

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse!”

 

[waldojabba]

Yep, that is my recollection. But the guys in this video claim that Bowman wasn’t even a criminal defense attorney-the said seceral times that he is a real estate attorney. Surely Mama A would never have let that happen!

https://members.ctbar.org/members/?id=27527536

Andrew Bowman on the ct bar site
Area of practice
Area(s) of Practice: Commercial: Litigation, Constitutional Law, Criminal, Federal Practice, Labor and Employment Law, Litigation: General

 

[Jmoose]

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse!”

They have never even said that Fotis is the villain-they have gotten far closer to saying that Jennifer is the villain. In one of her interrogation videos (referenced recently above), against Bowman’s stern instructions, MT blurts out that Jennifer had a borderline personality disorder, told to her by fD. The fact that she was still trying to get that out there publicly, even after his death says a lot. For one, she was not afraid of fD, because she was still carrying that flag he gave her (that JFD was mentally ill). For another, she maintained that Jennifer could easily have run off and left her 5 children because of it, although she herself couldn’t, because she was “healthy”, and loved her daughter. Trust me, 100% of the venom is reserved entirely for Jennifer and the problem she created for MT. None of MT’s actions are being examined. FD used Jennifer’s money to pay Dr Steven Herman to conclude that Jennifer had a BPD, while there was absolutely nothing wrong with fD, who killed her, and then himself. What a clusterbleep!

 

[Diddian]

Do you know if the documents on this ruling have been made public by any of the reposters? Honestly I admit to being confused as to the final ruling and I don’t think the definitive word on the ruling should be coming from a JS sound bite. If anyone has the document and could post it that would be helpful as it’s a point that is important. If no document exists I will try to locate it.

@Seattle1 posted a link to the documents earlier.

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ETA: I’m only able to see a single page from the link, perhaps because I don't have a Twitter (X) account. Maybe someone else is able to access and read the entire document.

 

[waldojabba]

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse!”

Totally correct - the troconis family are not ignornant of the law - they just don't like it and I believe by the fathers statement, they are looking for sympathy in the court of public opinion, from those who are unaware of the charges or who believe their daughter is actual killer IMO

 

[Diddian]

@afitzy - I missed it earlier, but I now see that @Seattle1 did post the document in its entirety here:

Court Decision on Motion - pages 6/7

In it's decision, the Court concluded that as early at 5/27/19 (AT&T served for MT's phone records), reasonable to assume that MT was under suspicion here, yet police failed to obtain a search warrant for MT's phone by 5/31 (date phone was seized). The Court concluded that the exigent circumstances exception to the warrant requirement did not apply to the warrantless search of MT's phone. Motion granted to suppress MT's cell phone evidence.
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[Jmoose]

@afitzy - I missed it earlier, but I now see that @Seattle1 did post the document in its entirety here:

Why on earth did they not get that warrant? What could possibly have been the reason?

 

[Jmoose]

I wish the state of CT had used the threat of prosecution for financial crimes to get MT to open up. I suspect there were some of those types of crimes done by fD, and facilitated by MT, but the fact that there has not been a word about this must mean that they can’t find any evidence with which to charge her. Interestingly, she did “plead the fifth” over and over when Richard Weinstein questioned her in court, making me think that there is some there, there.

 

[afitzy]

Since when is Andrew Bowman a real estate attorney, and not a criminal defense attorney?

Watching the above posted clip is simply seeing a real life example of both ignorance and denial imo. Nobody knows the true circumstance behind which Atty Bowman bowed out of representing MT. Atty Bowman has never spoken on the matter as per his policy so far as I am aware. So, we simply have a statement from MT and Crew Troconis being made with the clear knowledge that the target of their commentary will not respond publicly. Great but totally par for the course with the Clown Crew imo.

Atty Bowman so far as I know has an impeccable record and reputation in the local community and to say otherwise simply defies the facts of the matter imo and maliciously maligns a by all accounts excellent and multitalented attorney. I do wonder if we are getting into defamation territory here regarding these types of statements?

My guess though from watching Atty Bowman for years is that he is a class act, multi talented and quite content to let his professional reputation and accomplishments speak for themselves and my guess is that he no doubt said, 'good riddance to bad trash' with the exit of the MT engagement. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if he chose to exit the engagement as there was no 'buy in' as to his chosen path to pursue the case. We sadly will never know the true story from his perspective but if I had to put my money on believing Atty Bowman vs. Mama Troconis there is no mystery where my bet would be placed and for big money btw!

IMO I do think Atty Bowman dodged a large and painful bullet with the representation of MT in the form first of FD baggage (which had to be an untenable situation for him at the outset with FD taking MT to her appointments with Atty Bowman to next having Mama Troconis calling the shots with his representation). Given the track record of Atty Bowman my guess is that had he retained the engagement to represent MT all those years ago that MT would be in a much different place than she is today as Atty Bowman knows the CT Judiciary and Law Enforcement about as well as anyone in the State and certainly at a totally different level than the current MT representation imo. But, we are where we are and so sits MT carrying charges that if convicted will put her back in the YELLOW BIRD JUMPSUIT for many many years in the Nutmeg State!

Only response to clips and comments such as these from MT and Crew Taconis in my view would be to simply say, "Consider the Source/s" and keep it moving! I do think its pathetic though that local media repost these stories with zero context or take the time to explain who exactly Atty Bowman is in terms of background and accomplishments. Whole situation imo is ludicrous that a bunch of ignorant clowns can impune the reputation of a solid attorney with no context provided by the media.

 

[afitzy]

Why on earth did they not get that warrant? What could possibly have been the reason?

IDK, my guess is timing and slowness of Judiciary to respond. Things in the Nutmeg State move SLOWLY. My guess is that it was in process

@Seattle1 posted a link to the documents earlier.

ETA: I’m only able to see a single page from the link, perhaps because I don't have a Twitter (X) account. Maybe someone else is able to access and read the entire document.

Looks like the attached document only contains 4 pages (that I was able to read) but refers to at least 5 other related documents. Given the writer of that particular document posted and their imo highly convenient grasp of case facts to say nothing of questionable interpretation, I think its necessary to track the document trail of the issue from the beginning, read the States responses as well as the original decision and I haven't done it yet. Will add it to the list!

I do find it hard to believe that exigent circumstances for the seizure didn't exist for the MT phone as if I recall we had a similar issue at NCPD Headquarters where FD phone was taken pending search warrant and placed in airplane mode. Perhaps the issue in this case is that the search warrant for 4JC existed (unlike FD phone case) but allegedly didn't include the phone? Whole thing is odd though as another search warrant could have been obtained or I believe the initial search warrant amended. IDK the local customs on warrants to know what the law enforcement on site would have done to address the MT phone issue?

IDK, but seems logical to seize the MT phone and state it is being held pending an amendment to the search warrant or a new search warrant. Curious what the State response on the issue was and given the slowness of Judges to respond to things perhaps with time being of the essence at the scene there was no time to amend the search warrant prior to the raid on Jefferson Crossing or even get a new one for the phone. It sounds like the MT phone was siezed in good faith given the overall nature of the situation to preserve critical evidence related to a then known suspect and was appropriately placed in airplane mode.

But, in order to track this entire issue back, I believe all the documents should be found and read to understand the issue better so as to figure out what can/can't be introduced at trial as I simply don't feel comfortable relying on JS recitation of facts and certainly interpretation as presented in the X posted document.

My recollection (admittedly vague) during this period was that JS was on a charge to get the conspiracy charges removed and based on his track record my guess is that he cracked open the law books to find anything possible to accomplish his goal. Given the conspiracy charge was read at trial opening by the Judge it appears JS was not successful on altering the charges but the issue with the cell phone imo is something I need to read all the documents to better understand and feel comfortable discussing.

The above posted document though was quite interesting as this is the first I've heard that FD attempted to take a thumb drive from the premises when he was instructed to ONLY take clothing for his hotel stay until the premises could be searched by State Police.

The above document also cleared up I think my question from yesterday on drug testing of FD and MT. The document said the testing done at Troop Headquarters looked to be DNA and no mention in this document was made of any drug testing done on either FD or MT. I still do wonder if law enforcement did any drug testing? Unfortunate imo if they did not as I strongly believe substance use during this period was an issue.

 

[afitzy]

@afitzy - I missed it earlier, but I now see that @Seattle1 did post the document in its entirety here:

Thanks. Will put it all on this evenings reading list. God Bless @Seattle1!

Just looked at what was posted was the final decision by Judge Randolph.

Does anyone know if the decision will be appealed by the Prosecution?

 

[pernickety]

They have never even said that Fotis is the villain-they have gotten far closer to saying that Jennifer is the villain. In one of her interrogation videos (referenced recently above), against Bowman’s stern instructions, MT blurts out that Jennifer had a borderline personality disorder, told to her by fD. The fact that she was still trying to get that out there publicly, even after his death says a lot. For one, she was not afraid of fD, because she was still carrying that flag he gave her (that JFD was mentally ill). For another, she maintained that Jennifer could easily have run off and left her 5 children because of it, although she herself couldn’t, because she was “healthy”, and loved her daughter. Trust me, 100% of the venom is reserved entirely for Jennifer and the problem she created for MT. None of MT’s actions are being examined. FD used Jennifer’s money to pay Dr Steven Herman to conclude that Jennifer had a BPD, while there was absolutely nothing wrong with fD, who killed her, and then himself. What a clusterbleep!

I noted that too from the above video link--from the get-go MT wants to talk about JFD and her alleged diagnosis, asks Atty AB if she should talk about the "report", he stops her.

 

[citygirl]

Isn't her former attorney on the witness list?
Am I misremembering ?