Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #60

[Jmoose]

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From my understanding he is more white collar criminal cases, lots of civil cases, etc. that’s a far cry from representing murders or accessory to murder. IMO. However, I do believe Bowman was more skilled and has better tactics than JS. Also he was connected to the Fairfield County court system. A good attorney would tell you to hire someone who has better connections to the court district instead of trying to “Willy Nilly” see what I did there? I was paying attention today. LOL

There is no doubt that AB’s connections would have been beneficial. I think this is why JS tried soooo hard to get the trial moved to the Hartford area-that is where he knows people. I don’t actually think JS is a bad defense attorney-but this is what he has to work with-a lying client, in an arena where he is unfamiliar.

 

[shotgun09]

Wow!
I just finished watching the trial today. The Starbucks video?!?!! Holy Schniikeees ! FD was a walking-talking Napalm Bomb full of adrenaline there. Can you say "Over-sensitized" class ?? Can you say " On The Edge" ????

And MT ? With her defensive posture/ arms-crossed, while constantly looking over her shoulder, and figgiting/ rubbing her hannies.? Missy had the heebie-jeebies, dats fo' sho.

MOO

 

[Abcdefg13422]

There is no doubt that AB’s connections would have been beneficial. I think this is why JS tried soooo hard to get the trial moved to the Hartford area-that is where he knows people. I don’t actually think JS is a bad defense attorney-but this is what he has to work with-a lying client, in an arena where he is unfamiliar.

JS- I looked up his log, most of his cases in criminal court had an outcome of and/or guilty pleas. I think he’s a better defense attorney in civil matters.

When I have time I will have to look up AB cases in criminal court, and compare.

Sadly - it doesn’t matter about your client if they are lying if you have a good enough attorney and a blank check written to them, they can basically get you out of everything. Look at OJ, look at Michael Skakel, Robert Durst, Ted Kennedy just to name a few.

 

[afitzy]

From my understanding he is more white collar criminal cases, lots of civil cases, etc. that’s a far cry from representing murders or accessory to murder. IMO. However, I do believe Bowman was more skilled and has better tactics than JS. Also he was connected to the Fairfield County court system. A good attorney would tell you to hire someone who has better connections to the court district instead of trying to “Willy Nilly” see what I did there? I was paying attention today. LOL

Atty Bowman I believe represented the wife in initial criminal case and prevailed.

This case was another DV situation that happened in NC. Mary Margaret Farren: CT Attorney Brutally Beaten by Her Husband who Was Pres. Bush’s White House Counsel

Ex-Wife Of Former White House Lawyer Gets $28.6 Million After He Allegedly Almost Beat Her To Death

A former White House lawyer faces serious allegations as his ex-wife receives a substantial settlement.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Abcdefg13422]

AB only had 1 page of criminal cases, JS has 3 pages… interesting.

 

[citygirl]

Interesting how a mother of 5 was brutally murdered yet Michelle Troconis jokes about having sex in jail.

It just really makes you think..,,
Moo

And was it in front of children?

 

[Silverstorm]

Heated exchange about two stops in the video. Witness answering that he believes there were more stops.

[Can't keep up with the questions and objections! Fiery!]

Witness refers to the transit video.

JS asks about the white shirt with no logo.

Objection. Sustained.

Thank you for all of your posts keeping us updated! I truly appreciate it!

 

[waldojabba]

From my understanding he is more white collar criminal cases, lots of civil cases, etc. that’s a far cry from representing murders or accessory to murder. IMO. However, I do believe Bowman was more skilled and has better tactics than JS. Also he was connected to the Fairfield County court system. A good attorney would tell you to hire someone who has better connections to the court district instead of trying to “Willy Nilly” see what I did there? I was paying attention today. LOL

JS repeatedly motioned the court to get the venue changed to the Hartford court system. He obvi did not prevail.
He also speaks fluent Spanish iirc which was important for "optics" since JS is hammering the language barrier thing with MT.
I think he sold his client and her family a "bill of goods".
JMO

 

[BUF]

As of Monday, there are six regular jurors and two alternates remaining.
…….
The highly anticipated testimony from Pawel Gumienny, who police believe Fotis Dulos tried to frame in the suspected killing of his estranged wife, is expected to happen at some point this week.

Gumienny, however, was not in attendance on Monday, and his attorney Lindy Urso said he doesn’t expect him to testify on Tuesday.

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-dulos-juror-dismissed-18636007.php

 

[waldojabba]

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Above is the link to the three Starbucks clips again which were shown today in court. Interesting for me to watch a second time. I have been in this Starbucks but not recently.

I am pretty sure initially when they entered they headed straight for the restrooms. FD comes out first and paces back and forth in front of the cases. He is like a cat on a hot tin roof through out all three clips. I am not sure that MT is anything but just physically cold - initially I saw her body language as defensive or self soothing but watching it again - she also rubs her hands frequently like I do if I am cold in air conditioing or just need a sweater. If I watch her face she does not seem scared of FD or even annoyed with him. She does look haggard - and anything but attractive.

He is obviously a hand talker - lots of gesticulation. It looks like he is saying something earnest but there are lots of people closeby so I am really not sure. Is he saying you need to be prepared, they will be calling soon about the kids - we have to stick to our story?

I don't think he had his wallet in his pocket so she paid. She also never takes a bite out of the sandwich even when he offers it to her after he has had a bite - she makes a face like I am not hungry. Fotis puts the sandwich with the unwrapped end on the counter(gross) and then takes and flings the wrapper from his straw (gross) on the counter and jabs it into his drink. Such a class act.

He checks his phone before this - imo it seemed kind of nervously - like have they found JFD missing yet - he was waiting for the call to be the white knight and swoop away the kids.

There are manys ways to view their behavior - but its kind of tough not having a baseline video for Fotis.
Watching MT in court etc I think she has a tendency to fold into herself.

They did skeedaddle out of there post haste once they got their drinks and grub though so they were not at all leisurely - as in let's take a Fri evening ride to Starbucks and hang out.

I will watch again tomrrow and slow them down - just kind of reserving my judgement at the moment.
JMO

 

[NCmom99]

It is not unusual for LE or States atty's or other govt agencies to view interviews either directly or indirectly. My guess is that couldn't be done in this setting as iirc it was Atty Bowmans office in Westport.

I understand perhaps why Colangelo was at that particular meeting. If someone is going to make an offer of plea or some kind of immunity agreement it seems to me that it makes sense to listen yourself and view the individual with your own eyes and ears. Sure you listen to the experienced voices around you but ultimately the decision is in your hands (and whatever hierarchy he works with in Hartford).

Trying to make a deal with MT would have been a big/huge/risky decision for the State at that time and I understand why someone charged with making that decision would want to be present and not fully rely on the opinions of others.

Also think about it maybe from Colangelo's perspective that MT to date in any of her interviews hadn't provided any substantive assistance to the State and had changed her stories on any number of issues more than a few times. I see a States Atty trying to make a strategic decision in a case with an individual who seems 'unreliable' at best and a 'liar' at worst. My sense is that his statement about her not knowing anything really meant that she was never going to share anything of value ever and would continue to stick to some variant of non alibi scripts until her dying day. This view played out and MT never did assist the case and Colangelo walked away.

I do wonder who of the many folks here who sat through the MT testimony in the 2 interviews that we have seen and would have been comfortable offering some kind of deal? MT never offered anything and never said anything of value and as someone said so well here the other day, "MT lied about the lies". My sense is Colangelo saw this and simply left that meeting and never thought again about MT and how she wasted so much time and taxpayer daughter with her many lies and lies about lies, but you notice that the hindering and tampering charges were never dropped and there was no change to the top charge of Conspiracy either.

MOO

Agree, no value. Instead of providing any fresh insights, she just overshared on irrelevant details to distract. The “helpful” maps she provided are a prime example.

 

[NCmom99]

I only caught this in re-listening.

Thr defendant claimed that the first she'd heard that something happened to Jennifer was in the evening, after the Albany Odyssey and Starbucks run.

She panicked?

Why, Michi? Because you've watched too many terror shows? Why would the police cause you to panic? Run to the bathroom? You didn't think, oh no, has something happened to N?

Panic is a weird reaction to admit to.

She hides???? whatcha hidin' from, Michi?

Pretty telling.

Her embedded video response is at 4:30 in today's testimony.

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JMO

Excellent point. If the police show up unexpectedly out of the blue and you’re a mother, you save that bathroom visit until you hear what they have to say.

 

[DeDee]

JS repeatedly motioned the court to get the venue changed to the Hartford court system. He obvi did not prevail.
He also speaks fluent Spanish iirc which was important for "optics" since JS is hammering the language barrier thing with MT.
I think he sold his client and her family a "bill of goods".
JMO

RBBM
In the video by News 12, Michelle hops up from the D table to throw her arms around the neck of her attorney in a flamboyant display of her jubilation to be released from the ankle monitoring bracelet. In turn, of this public affection, the lawyer places his hand around her waist and shares her glee in the moment. Does she find JS to be a personal hero?

9 months ago
"Judge Gary White granted Michelle Troconis’ request to have the device removed after nearly four years with it during a hearing in Stamford Superior Court Thursday."

MSN

 

[Ruminations]

It is possible, for sure. But she described herself as “dominant”, and she went after him, and threw the phone, when she accidentally found out he had been at Jennifer’s house. Not something typucally done by somebody who is afraid of that person, but who knows? Sounds to me as if he was afraid of her, too, if he couldn’t tell her that he ended up having dinner at Jennifer’s.

Hmmm.

Maybe Fotis accused her of being "dominant," because she called him out on a lie. Maybe the dynamic was such that he could see Jennifer without talking to Michelle about it first and she was not allowed to be upset with it.

Maybe that she was trying to say that she learned that he secretly saw his wife and that upset her caused the known abuser to rankle because he doesn't like having to explain himself.

Maybe when he was not allowing her to express herself. she got frustrated and threw the phone.

Maybe he greatly preferred her throwing the phone to continuing to talk about his secretiveness because it changed the subject to her behavior. Very successfully, indeed, as she reported THAT with the emphasis, not Fotis's disloyal behaviors towards her.

As an added benefit to Fotis, she begins to look "crazy." In the future, had the relationship continued, I'm certain Fotis would have found himself a mental health professional willing to highlight this "symptom."

Who had the power and control in this relationship? I think it is quite clear that Fotis was developing more and more control of her over the years. She could throw all the phones she wanted- it just gives him a chance to call her irrational. But Fotis was unchecked in living a secret life.

Do I think that secret extended to Michelle being so unaware of the murder that she could not be a co-conspirator? It happens that I do not- innocent until proven guilty of course- but my opinion is she is a conspirator to the murder. Do I feel sorry for Michelle? Not really- because I believe she could have saved Jennifer's life, or at least helped locate the body and lock up Fotis ahead of his selfish exit. But just because I don't feel sorry for her does not mean she was not in an abusive relationship.

Fotis actually murdered Jennifer. You think Fotis suddenly decided he wanted to hook up with a peer, quit the abusing his partner thing?

One of the themes of this whole case is DV awareness. I think all the signs are present that Michelle Troconis, apparent accomplice to a murder, was in a coercive control relationship that was heading to physical violence towards her if she was being upfront about it not existing yet.

I'm not sure why this is controversial. It could be a little mitigating if she had said so earlier. At this point, she has burned that bridge IMO. But it doesn't change her guilt. Fotis was arrested. Police were enforcing keeping him away. She could have requested more assurances for her safety, like an OOP. But she chose not to. She decided to engage in many deceptive ploys, such as following the alibi script, messing with PG's car keys, and bringing the Tacoma for detailing. DV victims sometimes do bad things like that, and they have to be held accountable just like people in healthy relationships.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Hmmm.

I'm not sure why this is controversial. It could be a little mitigating if she had said so earlier. At this point, she has burned that bridge IMO. But it doesn't change her guilt. Fotis was arrested. Police were enforcing keeping him away. She could have requested more assurances for her safety, like an OOP. But she chose not to. She decided to engage in many deceptive ploys, such as following the alibi script, messing with PG's car keys, and bringing the Tacoma for detailing. DV victims sometimes do bad things like that, and they have to be held accountable just like people in healthy relationships.

MOO

I don’t think your pov is controversial-I just don’t happen to agree. She does not appear to me to be an abused gf. In fact, I believe she regularly wound him up, on the subject of Jennifer, the divorce, and child custody-not that it would take much to do it. I witnessed her dominance in those two police interrogation videos, where she interrupted all and any of the police detectives as much as they interrupted her. At times, she was sporting a big fat attitude with them. This woman is no shrinking violet, imo, who couldn’t and wouldn’t walk away from him. But she loved him, and probably still does, since she has spent the last 4 years abusing JFD’s reputation, and the worst thing she has said about Dulos was “he might not have been somebody I ought to have trusted”. I am not saying that Dulos wasn’t abusive-I just don’t think MT was abused by him, especially not to the point where she was helpless to do anything but what he wanted. And I do agree that she needs to be held accountable for HER part, and not Dulos’s part In this.

 

[DeDee]

I only caught this in re-listening.

Thr defendant claimed that the first she'd heard that something happened to Jennifer was in the evening, after the Albany Odyssey and Starbucks run.

She panicked?

Why, Michi? Because you've watched too many terror shows? Why would the police cause you to panic? Run to the bathroom? You didn't think, oh no, has something happened to N?

Panic is a weird reaction to admit to.

She hides???? whatcha hidin' from, Michi?

Pretty telling.

Her embedded video response is at 4:30 in today's testimony.

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JMO

Thanks for the timestamp and esp for all of the posts you've made in real time during the trial.

In the interview @ 4:38:20, after MT lies about seeing Fotis in the back of his office on the 24th, she's told they think Fotis murdered Jennifer and they "need to find Jennifer."

MT is asked if there's anywhere she can think of Jennifer could be. She blurts out: "Did you look in the House?" Why would MT think Jennifer could be inside her house? She doesn't. She knows they won't find Jennifer but she's pretending to help them by supplying worthless, nonsensical assistance. Her defense is a farce.

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[afitzy]

JS repeatedly motioned the court to get the venue changed to the Hartford court system. He obvi did not prevail.
He also speaks fluent Spanish iirc which was important for "optics" since JS is hammering the language barrier thing with MT.
I think he sold his client and her family a "bill of goods".
JMO

Si!

 

[afitzy]

Love Det Kimball's response to JS stating that didn't MT "corrected herself." Kimball says, yes, she "changed her story."

Lol, "changing her story" is different than "correcting herself."

So agree! This was one of the best exchanges of the day!

 

[afitzy]

Thanks for the timestamp and esp for all of the posts you've made in real time during the trial.

In the interview @ 4:38:20, after MT lies about seeing Fotis in the back of his office on the 24th, she's told they think Fotis murdered Jennifer and they "need to find Jennifer."

MT is asked if there's anywhere she can think of Jennifer could be. She blurts out: "Did you look in the House?" Why would MT think Jennifer could be inside her house? She doesn't. She knows they won't find Jennifer but she's pretending to help them by supplying worthless, nonsensical assistance. Her defense is a farce.

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I’ll take your, “her defence is a farce” and raise you one, “she has no defence”!

Cannot wait to see the rest of the presentation from the State to fill in the existing gaps in MT timeline.

It’s coming….

Moo

 

[MX27875]

I’m curious to see how they are going to prove the conspiracy charge and prior knowledge. They have proved the other charges beyond a reasonable doubt IMO, but not the conspiracy charge yet.

What other evidence that ties in the missing links do you think will be presented to prove conspiracy that DOES NOT INVOLVE PG or KM testifying?

I think they figured out the burner phone numbers, subpoenaed the carriers, and have all of the burner texts/locations. They couldn’t use her phone evidence, but I think a lot of the evidence was on burner phones.

Someone I know that was on the run after committing a crime was located by the police through their burner phone number, and they bought the burner with cash. They had nothing tying them to that number, but the police still found and arrested them through the burner. If they had the best resources on this case, they have the burner information.