Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #60

[Megnut]

But then it was speculated that he scoped her out in New York and went in for the kill.Oops. Poor choice of words.

Launching from that, I think he may have gone full narc and wanted sister wives, east wing west wing. Denied, he designed to remove the children from JFd, wearing her down with intention. And when he couldn't remove the children from her, he removed her from the children.

By whatever means necessary.

Repugnant that the defendant continued to sleep with him.

But then again there's something very serpentine about the both of them. Venomous.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

Yes I think the whole crew of them think by trying to post a new timeline of when MT and FD got together it will be seen in a better light. Its not working. Everyone can see through that lying piece of trash.

Good one!

I do love the phrase, "...lying piece of trash...". Short, sweet and absolutely true for MT imo!

I have no clue how to change the words in my avatar but I do think if I can figure it out (or if someone can tell me how to do it) then I will change it to 'lying piece of trash' as after listening to the MT testimony again this weekend I am convinced that the word truth is not in the MT vocabulary!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Nancy Grace put up a picture of Jennifer and Michelle side by side. Then said why don't men ever cheat up? Look at her! He cheated down!

Gotta LOVE a good Nancy Grace assessment. She is correct!

 

[citygirl]

Launching from that, I think he may have gone full narc and wanted sister wives, east wing west wing. Denied, he designed to remove the children from JFd, wearing her down with intention. And when he couldn't remove the children from her, he removed her from the children.

By whatever means necessary.

Repugnant that the defendant continued to sleep with him.

But then again there's something very serpentine about the both of them. Venomous.

JMO

Agree with your thinking. I was talking about when he planned to reconnect with her after college. He actually rented an apartment not far from the Farber's on the upper east side, as I recall.
MOO.

 

[afitzy]

But then it was speculated that he scoped her out in New York and went in for the kill.Oops. Poor choice of words.

Yes, he stalked JF and "ran" into her allegedly at Aspen Airport.

I still admit to being fascinated by how he 're-hooked up with' Anna Curry. She is someone that I really would love to hear from as she seems like an intelligent person, knew all the press on the story and YET gave FD virtually all of her money for the bail bond fraud. She was lucky that it was Corrupticut and so she wasn't prosecuted but what could she have been thinking????
MOO

 

[Mimi in London]

For whatever it's worth, here are my notes on MT's work history:

MT has worked as a TV Host, in Marketing, Event Planning and worked at her sister’s shoe cover company, but I’m not sure in what capacity. And the Fore Group!
She worked in public relations at the Ghantoot Racing & Polo Club in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates from 2000 to 2003.
According to her Linkedin profile she, “Participated in organizing and setting up the Marketing Department in conjunction with the chairman His Highness Sheikh Falah Bin Zayed Al Nahyan … Coordinated all the polo tournaments in the polo club including the most important one the ‘Khalifa Tournament’ during the polo season from October thru May … Coordinated the invitation, activities and accommodations of the best polo players from Argentina and the world to come and play for the season at Ghantoot. Talented and famous players such as the Heguy Brothers, Adolfo Cambiaso, the Estrada brothers, etc came and participated … Responsible for all the media communication such as TV shows, a variety of magazines and digital media nationwide and abroad to cover every event.”

So she was a runner. She made the tea.

 

[NCmom99]

Makes sense. Definitely a victim of his hubris. Not sure what he thought would happen once the affair he didn’t take many pains to hide came out. That everyone would be ok with it and continue to fund his properties and excessive lifestyle with his mistress?

I think potential drug use would have been discovered by now but he sure acted like some people I know whose drug use got heavy and they just stopped caring. Stopped caring about their families, businesses, hiding affairs, and were spending/ living like there’s no tomorrow. But in his case, I supposed he got tired of pretending.

Your “and” in italics here is perfectly placed. Crazy hubris.

 

[glassheater]

Yes, he stalked JF and "ran" into her allegedly at Aspen Airport.

I still admit to being fascinated by how he 're-hooked up with' Anna Curry. She is someone that I really would love to hear from as she seems like an intelligent person, knew all the press on the story and YET gave FD virtually all of her money for the bail bond fraud. She was lucky that it was Corrupticut and so she wasn't prosecuted but what could she have been thinking????
MOO

This is what terrifies me. So many different types of people fall for narcs. It just shows you how good they are at deception and as much as I like to think I would be able to spot one a mile away, cases like these humble me. I am married to a wonderful man but one can fall prey to them in friendships, work, community settings, etc.

 

[NCmom99]

Yes, I very much got the feeling that the family could not come to terms with who their brother was and what he had done to JF. The Rena statements in english made after FD death in NY were scathing of the US system and the attorney Norm Pattis fed on Rena's great anger for weeks in the US Press and vowed that the Family wanted to continue the investigation and find the real killer of JF (this never happened but Pattis talked about it endlessly).

I do wonder if FD being only son in a traditional family played into any of the issues with the family not being willing to accept the law enforcement information? Rena was clearly grieving the loss of her brother but when she spoke of him it was as if she were speaking about someone totally different from who law enforcement was describing and from JF described in two years of Family Court about FD behaviour towards her and the children. Rena's pain was real and it was sad to read her comments during that time. MOO

You’re making a brilliant parallel - that sharper minds here might be able to better elaborate on - about the striking similarities between both FD’s and MT’s families of origin, parents, siblings, etc and their completely alternative interpretations of events that transpired. Perhaps MT and FD had a lot in common there.

 

[afitzy]

This is what terrifies me. So many different types of people fall for narcs. It just shows you how good they are at deception and as much as I like to think I would be able to spot one a mile away, cases like these humble me. I am married to a wonderful man but one can fall prey to them in friendships, work, community settings, etc.

Yes, oftentimes it seems like is a narcs world and the rest of us always have to be on our toes! Keep your eyes peeled for narcs ALWAYS!

 

[NCmom99]

Haha! I do recall posting that ages and ages ago. We have been at this a good long while haven't we my friend!

Brown is a small place and I do find it curious that nobody from that time ever stood up to talk about FD at any point so far as I know.

It seems that FD good friend from that period whose last name was Marsiello iirc really might have been the only person from that period of college who remained a friend. But this is just speculation. I do hope LE looked into the Marsiello connection and loans etc. as there seemed to be alot of money going back and forth and my recollection was that Marsiello went through a contentious divorce around the same times as Dulos v. Dulos was happening.

My recollection is that the FD personal situation really did change once JF father became ill and later passed away as he no longer had anyone looking over his shoulder at FORE. I think the traveling to FL stepped up, drug use might have amped up too and FD took trips without JF more often than not too (Civil Court testimony put these trips on the timeline with FD and MT as early as 2015). Could also be that the Dulos marriage hit the rocks around the same time that JF father passed away? IDK, just speculation.

Just a question as I'm curious what people think. I do wonder why FT just didn't keep MT hidden in the 123 Hunter property in West Hartford and keep the marriage with JF going? Or, perhaps this wasn't even relevant because the Dulos marriage most likely had been on the rocks for awhile in advance of MT affair by all accounts and JF pulled the plug on the marriage and left with the children? I still don't know. We heard LA say on the stand that JF found out about the MT affair in 2017 iirc but I think that was the case in part because MT came to Farmington with her daughter and was supposedly humiliating JF with the local crowd which was obviously upsetting to her. IDK.

I did a bit of a stroll on social media yesterday and was literally stopped in my tracks by the Troconis Crew on their "facts Insta" claiming that FD asked JF for the separation/divorce and as "proof" for this they illegally imo posted documents from the sealed FC documents of FD motion. The Troconis Crew DID not post the JF motion which I believe was substantiated by the LA testimony in this criminal case (as well as the Civil Case and in FC - so on the record testimony to refute the FD divorce timing claims exist in 3 CT Courts I believe) against MT. I guess my question is to anyone that cares to answer because I cannot figure it out: How does it benefit MT for the Troconis Crew to post on social media that FD sought to divorce JF when the timeline and facts of the Family Court timeline DO NOT SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT? Shorter version of question: Why would the Troconis Crew choose to lie about the facts and timing of the Dulos separation/divorce and WHY NOW?

Colour me quite confused.

That statement about who asked for the divorce was in addition to a classic video by TP stating that the, "Troconis Family was told by FD in 2016 iirc that he was involved with an amicable divorce". This was another head scratcher for me as while we know FD was not a well known truth teller (ditto for MT who imo would choose the lie when truth is in her best interest always), this particular lie repeated by the "Baghdad Bob" of this tragedy was interesting as it seemed to that FD was talking about the 'amicable divorce with JF in advance of JF finding out about the affair and asking for divorce".

But, my bigger question is why would the Troconic Crew at this late date want to rewrite history to make it seem that their belief was that FD expected to sail through the divorce and custody process with JF and that the Troconis Crew would next be planning the BIG WHITE WEDDING for their dear daughter MT?

Its always interesting to see people try to rewrite history but I admit to being absolutely baffled by this narrative based on repeating lies of FD told years ago (really no different from repeating the lies of the infamous Dr Herman report that MT and all the Troconis Crew seem to believe is true - its not btw!).

Is this silly PR social media campaign being undertaken by the Troconis Crew because somehow it makes what MT did in terms of having affair with married father of 5 who wasn't even separated at the time it started, somehow less despicable? It also baffles me even more as imo MT doesn't recognise shame as a deterrent for any behaviour and I don't think her family really do either? Why do what they are doing on social media?

I am quite a simple minded person and simply do not understand these PR related machinations from the Troconis Crew. If anyone can school me on what all is going on this this revisionist history being put out on social media I would appreciate it greatly as I simply don't get it. Thank you in advance!

MOO

I’m baffled by most of this too so will just respond to one paragraph from my own personal experience: Why didn’t FD just keep MT hidden? My response is that his sense of empowerment and willingness to push the envelope increased with every day that he continued to get away with it - for years apparently! And JF was understandably heads down trying to raise five kids mostly by herself and had no time to scrutinize his every move or engage in chess games.

 

[afitzy]

You’re making a brilliant parallel - that sharper minds here might be able to better elaborate on - about the striking similarities between both FD’s and MT’s families of origin, parents, siblings, etc and their completely alternative interpretations of events that transpired. Perhaps MT and FD had a lot in common there.

We should probably start a separate thread and we could all go down a deep dark bunny hole to discuss this topic as frankly its never ending, for me at least!

But, at a very basic level FD and MT really were just different sides of the same coin and both imo were world class liars and manipulators imo based on all that we have sen...FD got an A for lying with his smoother delivery and better presentation and MT maybe gets a B or possibly B- after we witnessed her 'performance' in the law enforcement interviews imo.

I wanted to give MT a higher grade but when I watched her 'performance' in the law enforcement interviews again this weekend and translated them into spanish as if she were speaking it rather than english, nothing she was saying made sense in spanish either! The woman imo simply is incapable of telling the truth and simply cannot take being asked direct questions without deception and obsfucation imo.

I do have to say that I would have loved to have seen the original interviews with MT and LE in Spanish as TP has been moaning about endlessly now for months. My guess is that they would have made even LESS sense that the english version but would have higher entertainment value and provided some useful insight about MT to the jury too.

I think the picture of MT should be in the dictionary along with this word with a link back to her law enforcement testimony:

Definition of OBFUSCATE

to throw into shadow : darken; to make obscure; confuse… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

MOO

 

[glassheater]

To your point in your post above @NCmom99 , this is why I seriously wonder if any drugs were involved. He seemed to escalate quickly and just burn down the house. Not sure how he thought in-law money would keep flowing to him with him not only flaunting the affair but also terrorizing JD and the kids. He's not a dumb guy but he sure became extremely reckless. Perhaps he thought MT's family since they seem well-to-do would supply him with money and then they refused? Or he thought GF would just forgive his loans and he could 'easily' find another lender. GF carries herself with the utmost class and aplomb. I think he's the type of person who reads non-grandiosity as a weakness and didn't think she would sue.

 

[afitzy]

Thank you. I don’t recall police activity there and even at the time the property was mentioned was perplexed as to why not.

Did you by any chance ever hear why MT didn't seem to attend her daughters play or graduation on the night before the murder? I just keep thinking about that issue and don't get why she wouldn't be there if its an important event for her daughter?

 

[NCmom99]

To your point in your post above @NCmom99 , this is why I seriously wonder if any drugs were involved. He seemed to escalate quickly and just burn down the house. Not sure how he thought in-law money would keep flowing to him with him not only flaunting the affair but also terrorizing JD and the kids. He's not a dumb guy but he sure became extremely reckless. Perhaps he thought MT's family since they seem well-to-do would supply him with money and then they refused? Or he thought GF would just forgive his loans and he could 'easily' find another lender. GF carries herself with the utmost class and aplomb. I think he's the type of person who reads non-grandiosity as a weakness and didn't think she would sue.

Drugs definitely possible but in my experience could also just be already vulnerable brain chemistry responding to a highly charged situation. Great theory that he might have also been hedging his bets angling for potential money from MT’s family.

 

[Mimi in London]

I think we are witnessing a possible preview of an upcoming Ebook from MT and TP titled, “How to be the Best Co Conspirator You can Be”!

Step 1: listen to a long conversation from your mother who explains in step by step detail that you need to “document your fear” from your nemesis via a trip to the psychologist with your psychopath lover to discuss the alleged mental health Issues of his ex and file a report with the local police. Mom says to not waste time paying the doctor to discuss your mental health deficiencies or discuss your couple issues as there isn’t enough time or money to this now! Mom says stay focused on the Victim!

Mom says you need to do this one year before you plan to murder said nemesis. This will totally discredit her and keep you safe and nobody will ever believe you were anything but afraid and had nothing to do with the murder of said nemesis!

Mom says to find a crooked lawyer just like she did in Florida and you say, “mom I have the perfect person, KM”. Mom says, “that’s my girl! You are a natural born criminal, trabajo bien hecho, mi hija. I’m so proud of you.”!

No discussion though with mom about why this could possibly make sense to do for someone you have never met and who doesn’t give you any of her headspace to even acknowledge you? You say, “thank you mom you are so helpful and FD and I are so lucky to have your wonderful advice. FD told me yesterday to get ready to be the Mom of 6! Can you imagine? And I’m so excited as the plan is coming together starting with your excellent suggestion here”.

Further, no chat about why a mother of 5 young children who is in fear of her ex who barely has time to take a shower would take 3 hrs from her day to return to the house where you and her ex are squatting and which she owns TO KILL YOU?

JF had no interest in MT and was simply trying to take care of her children in peace in NC. But MT doesnt see this and so agrees to a stupid plan.

But, to me this disclosure from MT shows knowledge and premeditation as well as the very close knowledge of the 3rd co-conspirator, Mama Troconis!

Ps more chapter summaries from this upcoming Amazon best seller coming as there is just too much low hanging fruit to scoop up after the MT law enforcement interviews.

Very much MOO!

In the early days, we were privy to a reading list published by Mama Troconis. We were stunned at the horrible coincidence that the book she was reading at the time of JFd's disappearance, was the (true) story of a wife/mother who goes missing and ... you guessed it, turns out to have been murdered by the husband/father.

My notes tell me the book was 'A Father's Betrayal' by Gabriella Gillespie.

MT's mother bizarrely seemed to insert herself front-and-centre in this case from virtually Day 1. From the moment she breezed into court with MT, wearing wholly-inappropriate wafting white linens and wearing a Hollywood-wannabe smile, it became clear she was no bit-player.

 

[Tink56]

Did you by any chance ever hear why MT didn't seem to attend her daughters play or graduation on the night before the murder? I just keep thinking about that issue and don't get why she wouldn't be there if its an important event for her daughter?

If I remember correctly the press was following MT around at the time of the 8th grade promotion. Other parents of the students being promoted felt MT's presence would be a distraction from the event. The administration requested MT to remain at home rather than attend. I don't know what finally happened.

 

[Tink56]

If I remember correctly the press was following MT around at the time of the 8th grade promotion. Other parents of the students being promoted felt MT's presence would be a distraction from the event. The administration requested MT to remain at home rather than attend. I don't know what finally happened.

Quoting myself...Here's link to article:

Girlfriend in missing Connecticut woman's case missed graduation

Michelle Troconis was asked not to attend her daughter's graduation after being charged in connection with the disappearance of her boyfriend Fotis Dulos' wife Jennifer Dulos.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[afitzy]

In the early days, we were privy to a reading list published by Mama Troconis. We were stunned at the horrible coincidence that the book she was reading at the time of JFd's disappearance, was the (true) story of a wife/mother who goes missing and ... you guessed it, turns out to have been murdered by the husband/father.

My notes tell me the book was 'A Father's Betrayal' by Gabriella Gillespie.

MT's mother bizarrely seemed to insert herself front-and-centre in this case from virtually Day 1. From the moment she breezed into court with MT, wearing wholly-inappropriate wafting white linens and wearing a Hollywood-wannabe smile, it became clear she was no bit-player.

Your notes are BRILLIANT and truly are keeping us on the straight and narrow here!

I would PAY MONEY to learn more about Mama Troconis reading list as perhaps it can tell us where JF is buried (or not)! In fact that would be I think an excellent post to possibly GUESS what might be on her reading list.

Nope. Mama Troconis is truly the shining STAR of the Troconis Crew. Her testimony (on the Troconis Crew insta for those interested) about how her computer was taken from her even though she was a visitor by LE when they searched the house truly was inspired imo. She sounded so irritated that I'm surprised she didn't hit the LE officer with her purse and demand her computer back on the spot! I don't think there is an actress out there that could possibly be cast as her as she would HAVE to play herself in any movie imo! She is one in a billion!

Seriously though the MT LE testimony conviced me that MT doesn't move without Mama Troconis 'blessing' [staying in theme with the rosary praying Troconis Crew from Courthouse last week]. But, what I thought was even more interesting and telling was that Mama Troconis supposedly told MT IN SPANISH BTW TP to NOT SPEAK TO LE. And what happens next? MT talks to LE 3 times? Perhaps MT doesn't speak Spanish? I still am wondering about this (not the Spanish but speaking with LE and only lying even when the States Atty is in the room saying a deal is possible)....any ideas?

MOO

 

[afitzy]

If I remember correctly the press was following MT around at the time of the 8th grade promotion. Other parents of the students being promoted felt MT's presence would be a distraction from the event. The administration requested MT to remain at home rather than attend. I don't know what finally happened.

Was that the night before the murder? I don't have timeline with me to double check. I honestly wasn't sure if it was the promotion or a play? MOO