Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #61

[citygirl]

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[Megnut]

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"....we just have to be patient ... and get to the other side... and see what happens...."

What?

SMH

 

[Cloudydiamond]

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LOL... What BS I remember this. 5 % haha

 

[citygirl]

LOL... What BS I remember this. 5 % haha

Prince Charming.

 

[citygirl]

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[Megnut]

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JS speaking of MT: she's left holding the bag.

I rest my case.

JMO

 

[glassheater]

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Hypothetical question: if MT was completely clueless as she claims, why would FD involve her in the first place? Would she be his alibi if he were questioned earlier? And if she were involved unwillingly, why doesn’t that piss her off?? I can’t even imagine but if the guy I dated did this and had me go along unknowingly disposing evidence I would be appalled, angry and turn against him in a hot second; not only for the heinous act but for involving me.

 

[glassheater]

JS speaking of MT: she's left holding the bag.

I rest my case.

JMO

Another reason why I can’t understand why she is not angry at FD if innocent. I wonder if she sees him as some type of martyr.

 

[Megnut]

3 minute trailer

Sneak peek: What Does the Other Woman Know? The Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos

Video shows police grilling Michelle Troconis, the ex-girlfriend of Fotis Dulos, about the disappearance of his wife Jennifer: “I didn’t do it.” But does she know more? "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty reports Saturday, May 21 at 9/8c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

www.cbsnews.com

Full episode

What Does the Other Woman Know? The Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos

Newly released video shows police grilling Michelle Troconis, the ex-girlfriend of Fotis Dulos, about the disappearance of his wife Jennifer: “I didn’t do it.” Does she know more? "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty reports.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Megnut]

Hypothetical question: if MT was completely clueless as she claims, why would FD involve her in the first place? Would she be his alibi if he were questioned earlier? And if she were involved unwillingly, why doesn’t that piss her off?? I can’t even imagine but if the guy I dated did this and had me go along unknowingly disposing evidence I would be appalled, angry and turn against him in a hot second; not only for the heinous act but for involving me.

Another reason why I can’t understand why she is not angry at FD if innocent. I wonder if she sees him as some type of martyr.

The only explanation -- she can't flip on him without incriminating herself worse.

 

[waldojabba]

So far there has been no direct physical evidence linking MT to this…yet. There would be no reason for JS to so aggressively try to go after evidence collection, evidence transfer, etc. if he didn’t know what was coming.

The prosecutors would have not taken this long case to trial if they didn’t think they had the goods.

Patience… we have a lot more coming.

The thing is JS agressively goes after anything and everything it seems
I am still mulling over why the weather is so important that night before the murder, that MT's daughter had her come and sleep in her room. It did not even have to be raining - maybe her daughter made that up bc she was frightened or lonely ..or whatever.
I guess they cannot subpeona the daughter bc too young still ? But why does JS want MT to be in Nicole's room from midnight to 630ish am the next day?
Because he knows MT knows more than she is saying? Does he know that Fotis was not at the house that night?
It just seems odd - esp since MT also posts on twitter the ridiculous wet/not wet pics that JS showed in court earlier. What's so important about the 6 plus hours after midnight that night ?

I would love to hear from someone/anyone who knows JS socially in every day life. Is his courtroom personality the way he really behaves in normal life? Its so over the top dramatic. Is he role playing for the camera?
So odd
IMO

JMO

 

[waldojabba]

The only explanation -- she can't flip on him without incriminating herself worse.

Totally agree @Megnut
That's the same reason I believe FD was able to move on to Anna Curry without MT losing her mind and squealing to LE - It's because she was all in - FD made sure of it.
I may be remembering incorrectly but I think it was part of the bail agreement that FD and MT were not to have contact. So he moved another woman in lol
If MT could have she would have buried him
ALL IMO.

 

[citygirl]

3 minute trailer

Sneak peek: What Does the Other Woman Know? The Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos

Video shows police grilling Michelle Troconis, the ex-girlfriend of Fotis Dulos, about the disappearance of his wife Jennifer: “I didn’t do it.” But does she know more? "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty reports Saturday, May 21 at 9/8c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

www.cbsnews.com

Full episode

What Does the Other Woman Know? The Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos

Newly released video shows police grilling Michelle Troconis, the ex-girlfriend of Fotis Dulos, about the disappearance of his wife Jennifer: “I didn’t do it.” Does she know more? "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty reports.

www.cbsnews.com

Wow.Endured all the ads. Ventrasca is da man, IMO.

 

[afitzy]

JS speaking of MT: she's left holding the bag.

I rest my case.

JMO

I was just going to simply post the CLOWN image to indicate what I think about "Esteemed Defence Counsel" and MT thinking on legal strategy and on how they have chosen to conduct themselves through the pre-trial and now trial period but that doesn't adequately explain the great anger I feel about the CLOWN with his comment "MT is left holding the bag" statement.

The CLOWN imo is setting MT up as a person with no free will, no ability to make choices, no ability to tell right from wrong, and no ability to look honestly at the relationship she was 50% part of and had been for over 4 years. The 'holding the bag' comment is simply ridiculous as well as implausible given the facts of this tragic case imo. But, making silly implausible statements seems to be the primary task of the CLOWN so will just work with the stupidity that he has gifted to us with this statement about why MT is where she is and sitting in court looking at over 20 years with no problem if she is convicted of all charges and imo its NOT because she was left holding the bag. Far from it.

At no point since she was charged that I'm aware of has MT expressed any concern for the Victim, JF or her 5 orphaned children or worked to assist LE on any level. She instead has thought only of herself and had to be reminded by LE that her daughter even existed as a consideration as she made decisions on how to proceed with LE and has wasted countless hours of LE and State's Atty time, to say nothing of huge amounts of tax payer money.

No, imo we have not seen MT behave in a responsible manner and take accountability for her role in the murder of JF and if the painful 6 hrs of MT LE Interviews didn't convince you of this then I'm not sure what will (think we have 3 more hrs left of more interview time too!). MT instead seems to exhibit anger at being caught, frustration and anger that her life has been inconvenienced and has been claiming on social media now for years that she is being persecuted by the State of CT simply because FD is dead. Really? How does this make any sense? It doesn't and why would the State throw good money after bad to prosecute MT if they didn't believe a strong case existed?

Nope, MT is not left holding the bag as she is not a simple minded idiot who had just met FD on a random hook up and happened to be wrapped up in something about which she had no knowledge. Far from it imo.

No, MT is the person who with FD went to the psychologist to discuss the issues she and FD believed were present in the family dynamic and which caused her to feel 'afraid for her safety', MT is the person who had KM draft a 1 page document outlining for the Farmington PD why she felt afraid of JF 1 year BEFORE THE MURDER and MT is the person who subjected her daughter to what she described as "2 years of HELL" living in CT with FD during the divorce proceedings during her impressionable adolescence years. MT did this amidst the implosion of FORE, GF seeking repayment of loans made to FD, ongoing very expensive Divorce Proceeding that took all of FD time and cash, the Civil Case with GF/Estate, Fore houses not selling, FD not paying child support or the mortgage and cash running out and credit cards being cancelled and declined. IDK about you but how many decision points did MT have along this timeline to choose another path? What human being would want to live in the scenario that MT and FD lived? It sounded horrific. I see many decision points but instead MT stayed and supported FD as did the Troconis Crew imo because there was something at the end of the rainbow that MT wanted and she was willing to crawl over glass to get it.

MT had nearly 5 years invested in the FD relationship and absent being killed herself, I am now convinced that nothing in the world would have pushed her to leave FD as the prize she craved appeared so close to being in her possession imo. But, this doesn't make her the victim that the CLOWN is trying to make her out to be. MT is no victim as MT made the conscious decision to stay and support FD as they were a team, even after they both were arrested.

When the chips were down and both were arrested MT had the opportunity to come clean with LE but instead she simply repeated the 'non alibi script' on rinse and repeat and spent hours 'lying about lies' to LE.

In some respects I look at MT and PG and I compare how they conducted themselves with LE and how their respective attorneys acted on behalf of their clients. Two very different cases and two very different outcomes but both imo could have gotten a deal but in this case only 1 did. Its far from an apples to apples comparison (as one party was imo innocent and 'holding the bag' and the other was not) but my point is that some deal with the State imo would have been better than a trial with high probability for conviction and prison in CT for over 20 years such as is being faced now by MT!

I would argue that PG is a good example of a person "left holding the bag" by FD and MT and was innocent and so was offered immunity while MT who imo isn't mostly likely innocent could never have taken a deal because it would have involved confessing to what she had done and this for whatever reason was impossible. MT was treated with kid gloves by LE and had the opportunity for a deal but she chose another path that has been crafted for her by Mama Troconis and the CLOWN. But, we shall see how this all turns out as what we are seeing is something no doubt MT and her family want for her and as this is America (and not Venezuela) she has that choice. I find it highly ironic that the Troconis Crew has been attacking PG on social media now for years to the point where I believe defamation charges might just be in order!

A person "left holding the bag" implies lack of knowledge of the crime and cover up and absolutely implies imo lack of accountability or responsibility for everything that had taken place in the relationship with FD and imo simply doesn't wash given the information in the public domain regarding the Victim in this case, JF and her murder.

MT is sitting with the very serious stack of charges that she has imo because the State believes there is evidence in their possession to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt that she is guilty. MT had so many decision points along the way where she could have considered her daughter and made other life choices, particularly if she and FD were fighting all the time and her years in CT were "pure hell" as she says. She was always a mistress, was not married and so was free to leave at any time but she never did. Not only did MT never leave but her Troconis Crew family continued to be frequent visitors at 4JX.

It just seems that for the CLOWN to simply say, "she's left holding the bag" he is attempting to remove any personal responsibility on the part of MT but it absolutely feeds in to her and her families view that she is wrongly accused and is being persecuted by the State for her role in something that she claims no knowledge of (they also say that the State is pursuing MT because they spent so much money on the investigation that 'someone has to pay' or some such nonsense). Maybe the CLOWN is saying this because Mama Troconis is paying the bills and its what she wants to hear as she seems to never have held her daughter responsibility for anything in her life either? IDK. Simply doesn't seem credible to me on any level, especially when the 'non alibi script' kept getting repeated over and over, even when the pretty obvious comments from LE indicated a deal might be possible. I simply don't see how this particular victim narrative from the CLOWN does anything to shift the mindset or narrative of MT and her relationship choices with FD and put her in a place to make legal choices that are in the best interest of both her daughter and herself?

MT had the then States Atty in her Atty's office seriously looking at offering her a deal and yet what happens next is more repetition of various iterations of the 'non alibi script'. MT had a good atty yet it seems she didn't agree with his strategy, engaged the CLOWN and so continued to claim no knowledge and victimhood as her legal strategy and continues to spout these beliefs to this day. Its baffling to me to roll the dice on potentially the next 20 years of your life based on the CLOWN strategy vs. the Bowman deal strategy.

Will just have to wait for the jury to decide I guess.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

She wasn't left holding the bag. She held the bag. Possibly she even bought the bag(s).

I think we almost missed the obvious. FD manipulated vehicles and phones in order to commit murder.

I'm beginning to smell a midnight rat -- for a completely different reason than before. That scenario with her daughter? The phone activity, the thunderstorm, the bed hopping. -- no one's gonna question a mother, protecting her daughter from the big bad thunderclap. That call, if it exists -- and I'll postulate it does -- on two phones, one operator -- serves one purpose -- it pins the defendant to a location. A point in time suggesting a span of time. Surely the sort of loving mother who'd go to her child, comfort her would never sneak out, leaving that child alone and without comfort to go to another location with her lover, under cover of dark.

I think she did use her phone at 1 am that morning. To give the impression she was home, motherly and trustworthy, and there all night.

IMO she wasn't.

She might genuinely not know where JFd's body is (FD would've known he couldn't trust her with that much information, he'd just make sure she was incriminated enough, she could never turn on him with what she did know.

In other words, IMO she may not know where FD took JFd's body but she knows exactly in which shape(s) JFd's body went there

She's got more than Hartford city sidewalk dirt on her hands. For life.

JMO

 

[citygirl]

I was just going to simply post the CLOWN image to indicate what I think about "Esteemed Defence Counsel" and MT thinking on legal strategy and on how they have chosen to conduct themselves through the pre-trial and now trial period but that doesn't adequately explain the great anger I feel about the CLOWN with his comment "MT is left holding the bag" statement.

The CLOWN imo is setting MT up as a person with no free will, no ability to make choices, no ability to tell right from wrong, and no ability to look honestly at the relationship she was 50% part of and had been for over 4 years. The 'holding the bag' comment is simply ridiculous as well as implausible given the facts of this tragic case imo. But, making silly implausible statements seems to be the primary task of the CLOWN so will just work with the stupidity that he has gifted to us with this statement about why MT is where she is and sitting in court looking at over 20 years with no problem if she is convicted of all charges and imo its NOT because she was left holding the bag. Far from it.

At no point since she was charged that I'm aware of has MT expressed any concern for the Victim, JF or her 5 orphaned children or worked to assist LE on any level. She instead has thought only of herself and had to be reminded by LE that her daughter even existed as a consideration as she made decisions on how to proceed with LE and has wasted countless hours of LE and State's Atty time, to say nothing of huge amounts of tax payer money.

No, imo we have not seen MT behave in a responsible manner and take accountability for her role in the murder of JF and if the painful 6 hrs of MT LE Interviews didn't convince you of this then I'm not sure what will (think we have 3 more hrs left of more interview time too!). MT instead seems to exhibit anger at being caught, frustration and anger that her life has been inconvenienced and has been claiming on social media now for years that she is being persecuted by the State of CT simply because FD is dead. Really? How does this make any sense? It doesn't and why would the State throw good money after bad to prosecute MT if they didn't believe a strong case existed?

Nope, MT is not left holding the bag as she is not a simple minded idiot who had just met FD on a random hook up and happened to be wrapped up in something about which she had no knowledge. Far from it imo.

No, MT is the person who with FD went to the psychologist to discuss the issues she and FD believed were present in the family dynamic and which caused her to feel 'afraid for her safety', MT is the person who had KM draft a 1 page document outlining for the Farmington PD why she felt afraid of JF 1 year BEFORE THE MURDER and MT is the person who subjected her daughter to what she described as "2 years of HELL" living in CT with FD during the divorce proceedings during her impressionable adolescence years. MT did this amidst the implosion of FORE, GF seeking repayment of loans made to FD, ongoing very expensive Divorce Proceeding that took all of FD time and cash, the Civil Case with GF/Estate, Fore houses not selling, FD not paying child support or the mortgage and cash running out and credit cards being cancelled and declined. IDK about you but how many decision points did MT have along this timeline to choose another path? What human being would want to live in the scenario that MT and FD lived? It sounded horrific. I see many decision points but instead MT stayed and supported FD as did the Troconis Crew imo because there was something at the end of the rainbow that MT wanted and she was willing to crawl over glass to get it.

MT had nearly 5 years invested in the FD relationship and absent being killed herself, I am now convinced that nothing in the world would have pushed her to leave FD as the prize she craved appeared so close to being in her possession imo. But, this doesn't make her the victim that the CLOWN is trying to make her out to be. MT is no victim as MT made the conscious decision to stay and support FD as they were a team, even after they both were arrested.

When the chips were down and both were arrested MT had the opportunity to come clean with LE but instead she simply repeated the 'non alibi script' on rinse and repeat and spent hours 'lying about lies' to LE.

In some respects I look at MT and PG and I compare how they conducted themselves with LE and how their respective attorneys acted on behalf of their clients. Two very different cases and two very different outcomes but both imo could have gotten a deal but in this case only 1 did. Its far from an apples to apples comparison (as one party was imo innocent and 'holding the bag' and the other was not) but my point is that some deal with the State imo would have been better than a trial with high probability for conviction and prison in CT for over 20 years such as is being faced now by MT!

I would argue that PG is a good example of a person "left holding the bag" by FD and MT and was innocent and so was offered immunity while MT who imo isn't mostly likely innocent could never have taken a deal because it would have involved confessing to what she had done and this for whatever reason was impossible. MT was treated with kid gloves by LE and had the opportunity for a deal but she chose another path that has been crafted for her by Mama Troconis and the CLOWN. But, we shall see how this all turns out as what we are seeing is something no doubt MT and her family want for her and as this is America (and not Venezuela) she has that choice. I find it highly ironic that the Troconis Crew has been attacking PG on social media now for years to the point where I believe defamation charges might just be in order!

A person "left holding the bag" implies lack of knowledge of the crime and cover up and absolutely implies imo lack of accountability or responsibility for everything that had taken place in the relationship with FD and imo simply doesn't wash given the information in the public domain regarding the Victim in this case, JF and her murder.

MT is sitting with the very serious stack of charges that she has imo because the State believes there is evidence in their possession to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt that she is guilty. MT had so many decision points along the way where she could have considered her daughter and made other life choices, particularly if she and FD were fighting all the time and her years in CT were "pure hell" as she says. She was always a mistress, was not married and so was free to leave at any time but she never did. Not only did MT never leave but her Troconis Crew family continued to be frequent visitors at 4JX.

It just seems that for the CLOWN to simply say, "she's left holding the bag" he is attempting to remove any personal responsibility on the part of MT but it absolutely feeds in to her and her families view that she is wrongly accused and is being persecuted by the State for her role in something that she claims no knowledge of (they also say that the State is pursuing MT because they spent so much money on the investigation that 'someone has to pay' or some such nonsense). Maybe the CLOWN is saying this because Mama Troconis is paying the bills and its what she wants to hear as she seems to never have held her daughter responsibility for anything in her life either? IDK. Simply doesn't seem credible to me on any level, especially when the 'non alibi script' kept getting repeated over and over, even when the pretty obvious comments from LE indicated a deal might be possible. I simply don't see how this particular victim narrative from the CLOWN does anything to shift the mindset or narrative of MT and her relationship choices with FD and put her in a place to make legal choices that are in the best interest of both her daughter and herself?

MT had the then States Atty in her Atty's office seriously looking at offering her a deal and yet what happens next is more repetition of various iterations of the 'non alibi script'. MT had a good atty yet it seems she didn't agree with his strategy, engaged the CLOWN and so continued to claim no knowledge and victimhood as her legal strategy and continues to spout these beliefs to this day. Its baffling to me to roll the dice on potentially the next 20 years of your life based on the CLOWN strategy vs. the Bowman deal strategy.

Will just have to wait for the jury to decide I guess.

MOO

Powerful post. MOO.

 

[Diddian]

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Does anyone know the identities of the two gentleman who spoke with the interviewer beginning at 5:49 in that video?

 

[SkylarSid]

DBM

 

[SkylarSid]

Remember her crying in the police interview when the police were trying to tell her she had been used and that FD cares only for himself? She really looked like she didn’t want to believe she’d been used, she looked as if she could not even face the possibility that she’d gone along with his farce and he had deceived her and her dreams of a life they would lead with JF out of the way. Oh, how she craved for the outcome he promised her. She was so gullible and she will pay the price for it until the day she dies.

 

[afitzy]

The thing is JS agressively goes after anything and everything it seems
I am still mulling over why the weather is so important that night before the murder, that MT's daughter had her come and sleep in her room. It did not even have to be raining - maybe her daughter made that up bc she was frightened or lonely ..or whatever.
I guess they cannot subpeona the daughter bc too young still ? But why does JS want MT to be in Nicole's room from midnight to 630ish am the next day?
Because he knows MT knows more than she is saying? Does he know that Fotis was not at the house that night?
It just seems odd - esp since MT also posts on twitter the ridiculous wet/not wet pics that JS showed in court earlier. What's so important about the 6 plus hours after midnight that night ?

I would love to hear from someone/anyone who knows JS socially in every day life. Is his courtroom personality the way he really behaves in normal life? Its so over the top dramatic. Is he role playing for the camera?
So odd
IMO

JMO

There are alot of reasons why the CLOWN is attempting to place MT in her daughters room with zero proof other than the weather which nobody can agree upon on the eve of the Murder.

I'm actually starting to wonder if MT was possibly at 80MS helping with prep work for the murder for a good portion of the evening/early am? There was a good bit of setup organisation to be done.

Did FD send MT to gas up the truck or the other vehicles? We haven't heard any of this info yet but I bet we will soon.

I'm still trying to figure out the tiny bit of truth in the MT lie but right now I'm thinking neither she nor FD were at 4JX for a good portion of the evening. This would put MT into the thick of planning and prep work which is precisely where the CLOWN doesn't want her to be seen imo as it would be GOLD to the State. The more MT is seen participating in prep work then the become quite easy to see her involvement etc. imo.

Curious where this entire line of discussion goes as my guess is he is going to be spanked handily in Court by the State on the issue and this could well be the 'own goal' that sinks his client in the mind of the jury too.

MOO