Cynthia Short-Local Attorney no longer representing Irwin and Bradley

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A lawyer who is admitted in one state is not automatically allowed to practice in any other. Some states have reciprocal agreements that allow attorneys from other states to practice without sitting for another full bar exam; such agreements differ significantly among the states.

Reciprocity
Main article: Admission on motion

Many states allow for reciprocal admission to the bar of that state if an individual is licensed to practice in another state which also permits reciprocal admission. Additionally, most states require that the reciprocal admittee has actively practiced law for a number of years (often three of the last five years, or five of the last seven years). For example, New York permits admission on motion to applicants who have practiced five of the last seven years in one of 34 jurisdictions that allow reciprocal admission to applicants from New York.[9] Depending on the state, there may be limitations on reciprocity, such as requiring a minimum score on the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination (MPRE), or even that the applicant have taken a bar examination in the previous jurisdiction. For example, Rule XIII of the Texas Board of Law Examiners allows attorneys practicing full-time 5 of the last 7 years in another state and who meet minimum scores on the MPRE to be admitted to the Texas bar without having to sit for the Texas Bar Examination.

Most states that allow reciprocal admission define "full-time practice" to include not only attorneys working in law firms or solo practice, but also law teachers in accredited U.S. law schools; military JAG attorneys; federal and state government attorneys; judges, magistrates, administrative law judges, and similar officials; and in-house corporate counsel. Some states, however, have their own quirks — for example, the definition of "practice of law" in West Virginia does not explicitly include in-house counsel within its scope.[10] Assuming that in-house counsel are not included, this means that a lawyer who has worked exclusively as in-house counsel is ineligible for reciprocal admission in West Virginia, and a West Virginia in-house counsel is ineligible for reciprocal admission in those jurisdictions that tie eligibility to the requirements of the lawyer's original jurisdiction.


Taken from the article.. It looks like he can practice in MO without taking a bar exam there..
 
  • #202
Right they have a reciprocal law in NY and MO is part of it. So it looks like he can practice if the state gives him permission. MO has to give permission and he would not have to sit for the bar..

As long as he can find another local attorney that will sign on the case with him, he is golden. I have a feeling there are many standing in line to get their hands on this one.
 
  • #203
As long as he can find another local attorney that will sign on the case with him, he is golden. I have a feeling there are many standing in line to get their hands on this one.

Yep, if there are any charges, he will most likely end up with co-counsel that is Court appointed, unless whomever is paying now will pay for co-counsel. And if charges are for more than one person, one of them will end up needing 2 attorneys, benefactor or Court-appointed. (If the charges are that severe, could just need one attorney for second person charged, if charged, if any of that comes about.)
 
  • #204
I am just catching up on the latest drama(s).

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

and

Where is Lisa?

I was out for several hours today and have just now caught up on the gazillion new posts here since I left shortly after 9:00. I come back onboard to find that "All he!! done broke loose!" :devil: (Tillie, the Drayton's housekeeper in Guess Who's Coming To Dinner).
 
  • #205
As long as he can find another local attorney that will sign on the case with him, he is golden. I have a feeling there are many standing in line to get their hands on this one.

Agreed. I doubt JT will bother being admitted to practice in MO.
 
  • #206
IMO there will be a lot of local attorneys that will act as local counsel pro bono. They won't have to have court appointed. My boss is itching to get his hands on this one.

Everyone was quite surprised at the CS choice. I had never heard of her and I have been a paralegal locally for over 10 years. Not surprised she got the boot, though. IMO, she talked too much for a local counsel.
 
  • #207
What does the reference to Whiskey Tango Foxtrot mean?
 
  • #208
What does the reference to Whiskey Tango Foxtrot mean?

I think it's shorthand for "what the "f***". Makes me giggle every time!
 
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LOL!!!! Makes perfect sense!!

It confused me every time I saw it here. There is a bar called Whiskey Tango about 20 minutes outside of Kansas City. I wondered how that bar could be associated with this case. :crazy:
 
  • #211
You are correct, the family did not retain her. There have been no charges, no Court appearances, so she is not attorney of record in the Court, therefore no paperwork need be filed. She just volunteered for this moment and the moment was too much for her.

In addition to thinking she just didn't want to deal with JT, she couldn't handle the media pressures, that is all just my opinion btw. I also realize she made herself a witness if any charges do come against the parents. The house tour. Huge mistake.

JMO again, she may also realize the damage she has done with her blog and announcements.
That is interesting, can you expound, please?

And also about the "damage she has done with her blog and announcements".
 
  • #212
No, not exactly. An attorney's duty is to their client, regardless of who is paying the bill. There are rules governing when an attorney is permitted to withdraw from the case - it can't be a capricious decision, or because the person paying the bills says to. The attorney-client relationship is with the person the attorney is representing, not with whomever is paying the bills.

For example, a parent hires an attorney to represent their adult child. The attorney represents the child, not the parent. Even if the parent stops paying, the attorney is still representing the child, until their is a formal withdrawal or discharge of services.

Thank you! I wonder why DB didn't know anything about it then? It seems that if CS is representing DB, then DB is the one with the power to discharge her (if I understand your post correctly). But DB told reporters she didn't know anything about it. How can that be?
 
  • #213
I've heard plenty of lawyers (in interviews) who said they resigned from cases due to the client lying, not arguing with you here, but lawyers resign from cases all the time for various reasons, lying included, it really depends on the lawyer and the case and a multitude of other reasons I'm sure.

Anyway, a moot point now as it seems that is not the case here, but it does seem that case is one big mess now and that's not doing this little baby much good.

I think that's the point of this charade. It's now all about the good of the parents and keeping their butts out of jail. As for baby Lisa, she's apparently not a player in this anymore as far as the parents and lawyers are concerned.
 
  • #214
Not exactly. For example, in our office, when we have a potential new client facing criminal charges, we ask "What happened?" and then tell us. Sometimes it's the truth and sometimes it's not. Then, if we have information, we lay it out. We tell the client "The state says you did X, can you explain that?" While it's true we don't straight up ask "Are you guilty?", we will say something like "But did you open that child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 video you downloaded and watch it?" Because we have to know the truth, or as close an approximation we're going to get from the client, to be able to form an action plan for the case. We don't come up with strategies to "get them off" - we assess whether there are any mitigating factors. Most defendants do not "get off". Most are guilty and most are found guilty or plead guilty - it's negotiating the charges and punishment that the defense attorney comes in to play.

Here, Short very likely knows if DB and/or JI did something to Lisa, even if they're not telling her the whole truth. However, anything and everything she has done on the case is protected by attorney-client privilege, so we'll never know exactly what she knows. We can only guess.
But what about LE? What if an attorney thinks their client might "do it again", and/or there are minor children in the client's care?
 
  • #215
IMO there will be a lot of local attorneys that will act as local counsel pro bono. They won't have to have court appointed. My boss is itching to get his hands on this one.

Everyone was quite surprised at the CS choice. I had never heard of her and I have been a paralegal locally for over 10 years. Not surprised she got the boot, though. IMO, she talked too much for a local counsel.

Agreed, and thanks for the local info!
 
  • #216
Thank you! I wonder why DB didn't know anything about it then? It seems that if CS is representing DB, then DB is the one with the power to discharge her (if I understand your post correctly). But DB told reporters she didn't know anything about it. How can that be?

Maybe DB really did know and she just said that to blow off the reporter who asked her about it. It just doesn't make sense that she knew nothing about it.
 
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That is interesting, can you expound, please?

And also about the "damage she has done with her blog and announcements".

If there comes a time that it is determined the State wants to pursue charges against the family, I'm thinking murder charges - not saying it will happen or is the case - then the video can be used at trial and CS would be called as a witness to explain what is being seen, when it was filmed, etc...

Her blog (just PR damage for her and clients) telling the world there will be pressers daily, then canceling the presser with an excuse blaming the family, not herself, for her self made presser. That was not good PR, nothing to do with legal issues except that it did not make her look as if she knows what she is doing as an attorney. Made her clients look bad, yet it was her decision, her action to be taken, her not willing to do it and blaming it on client. Not good for family, not good for her. PR related only.
 
  • #219
Miss Scarlett, I don't know nothin' 'bout firin' no lawyers! ::bats eyes::

Nope, not buying it. :snooty:


RBM: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: hilarious !

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
  • #220
IMO there will be a lot of local attorneys that will act as local counsel pro bono. They won't have to have court appointed. My boss is itching to get his hands on this one.

Everyone was quite surprised at the CS choice. I had never heard of her and I have been a paralegal locally for over 10 years. Not surprised she got the boot, though. IMO, she talked too much for a local counsel.

I can't imagine any good attorney willing to enter this time-consuming mess for free.

JMO
 

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