Czech Republic - Jane Doe, deceased, possibly falsely IDd as Alice Billing, 4 March 2012

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  • #41
Playing devil's advocate here after a vry brief cursory review of the thread and fb page:
1. Total layman's question: What type effect does cirrhosis have on bacteria in the gut area and post mortem changes? Could there be legitimate explanations for the decomp speed increasing bc the liver was failing- it wasn't filtering right in life, if she was full of toxins could it cause postmortem interval to appear longer?

2. It sounds like her husband had a job that exposed him to ppl with means? What was it he did for a living?

The pics: I do see a difference in her earlier pics when compared to the pic of your visit with her. (The pic of you standing behind her and your aunt.) That pic does look like the woman in her more recent passport photo iMOO -- with 1 addition- top lip injections. )

3. I am not sure what the son did though? I assume not pick up the urn? Not questioning her death more? Do we think he played along to set a woman up in their home to die so his mother could skip town?

4. I understand the family is probably incredibly angry with this Alice and or her mother? How do we know Alice sold the art work?

5. How do we know the Aunt was scared of anyone? Is it possible she was scared of them bc she was the 1 who sold the family art from the trust and didn't want them to spill the beans?
 
  • #42
Playing devil's advocate here after a vry brief cursory review of the thread and fb page:
1. Total layman's question: What type effect does cirrhosis have on bacteria in the gut area and post mortem changes? Could there be legitimate explanations for the decomp speed increasing bc the liver was failing- it wasn't filtering right in life, if she was full of toxins could it cause postmortem interval to appear longer?

2. It sounds like her husband had a job that exposed him to ppl with means? What was it he did for a living?

The pics: I do see a difference in her earlier pics when compared to the pic of your visit with her. (The pic of you standing behind her and your aunt.) That pic does look like the woman in her more recent passport photo iMOO -- with 1 addition- top lip injections. )

3. I am not sure what the son did though? I assume not pick up the urn? Not questioning her death more? Do we think he played along to set a woman up in their home to die so his mother could skip town?

4. I understand the family is probably incredibly angry with this Alice and or her mother? How do we know Alice sold the art work?

5. How do we know the Aunt was scared of anyone? Is it possible she was scared of them bc she was the 1 who sold the family art from the trust and didn't want them to spill the beans?

Be mindful that I have not had time to present all the facts.

YOU:
1. What type effect does cirrhosis have on bacteria in the gut area and post mortem changes?

ME:
A very good question for our WS verified experts to entertain. Alcohol and penicillin, which there was aplenty, generally kill bacteria. But your guess is as good as mine.

What we do know is that several witnesses described Alice as healthy and active, and she went skiing on the Italian Alps just one month before a body riddled with cirrhosis and emphysema was found in her bed.

Alice’s physiological profile does not match the physiological profile of the body. The only reasoned conclusion is that these are two different people.

Google your question and tell me what you find out, as we wait for WS’ experts to weigh in.

YOU:
Could there be legitimate explanations for the decomp speed increasing bc the liver was failing- it wasn't filtering right in life, if she was full of toxins could it cause postmortem interval to appear longer?

ME:
Another great question for our WS verified experts to entertain. Or ask the all-knowing Google. We remain captivated by the fact that we are dealing with two totally different physiological profiles.

YOU:
2. It sounds like her husband had a job that exposed him to ppl with means?

ME:
Assuming that you are referring to TB’s “day-time-job” at Hill & Knowlton, a global public relations corporation, sadly I have no idea.

He and Alice told everybody around them that he had a “day-time-job” at Hill & Knowlton. Records from Hill & Knowlton seem to indicate otherwise:

UK Corporate records indicate that TB resigned from Hill & Knowlton on “02/09/2009”.

Another internet record maintained by a watchdog-type entity from Germany indicates that TB went “inactive” as of “2008-11-05”.

UK Corporate records also seem to indicate that TB hasn’t been employed by Hill & Knowlton since 1994.

TB was employed by Hill & Knowlton years before he met Alice. Then he married Alice in 1993. And his employment with Hill & Knowlton seems to have ended a year later. This timeline is consistent.

Why would TB tell the Police that he was employed by Hill & Knowlton and that he was getting transferred to Dubai, when, as the records indicate, he was not employed by Hill & Knowlton? Did Terence fall victim to greed? Greed has the potential of making its victims do some amazingly stupid things. Like faking an employment history to create a “legitimized” source for the money?

YOU:
What was it he did for a living?

Me:
Assuming that you are referring to TB’s “day-time-job” at Hill & Knowlton, I have no idea.

And again, what he and Alice were telling everybody yet what Hill & Knowlton corporate records say, are two different stories.

You:
The pics: I do see a difference in her earlier pics when compared to the pic of your visit with her. (The pic of you standing behind her and your aunt.) That pic does look like the woman in her more recent passport photo iMOO -- with 1 addition- top lip injections. )

Me:
If “iMOO” means “in my opinion” then if you are saying that Alice in the 2001 photograph with Aunt Marie and I, looks like Jane Doe, then that is your absolute right to have your own opinion.

Alice puckered up as soon as Aunt Marie showed up. Until that moment, Alice was all giggly and joking and happy, and as soon as Aunt Marie showed up, Alice changed to a silent panting attitude, as if Aunt Marie had Alice on a leash.

Alice’s demeanor impressed me that she was living under her Mom’s heavy thumb. But this is all in hindsight.

In any case, I was there and that was Alice. If you know a facial recognition analyst, have then run a facial recognition test.

YOU:
3. I am not sure what the son did though?

ME:
Except for what I have read and was told, I have no first-hand knowledge, either.

YOU:
I assume not pick up the urn?

ME:
I know that from what the staff told me at the crematorium. They were even kind enough to send me proof.

YOU:
Not questioning her death more?

ME:
I have no idea. Abandoning the urn makes it look like he knew whose ashes were in the urn? And don’t forget the 2006 Christmas photograph: run that past a facial recognition expert.

You:
Do we think he played along to set a woman up in their home to die so his mother could skip town?

ME:
I have no evidence that he actually participated in the act, though accomplices are as culpable and as responsible as the actual killer.

According to Komisar Michal, AAB identified the body at the police morgue as Alice. If the police reopen the case and conclude that the body is not Alice, would that make AAB an accomplice? That is another good question for the WS verified LE and attorneys to opine on.

Don’t forget: the home was clean and free of vomit, blood, etc. Yet the body had dried vomit all over her face. You can’t have it both ways. How do death scenes where somebody chokes to death on their own vomit, typically look like? WS experts please weight in.

Why don’t you ask AAB?

YOU:
4. I understand the family is probably incredibly angry with this Alice and or her mother?

ME:
At first I was shocked and saddened, but I could never be angry at a victim of greed. Do I think that Alice and her accomplices need to answer to the law for what they did? Absolutely: who else will stand up for Jane Doe?

YOU:
How do we know Alice sold the art work?

ME:
AAB had Christies and Sotheby’s stickers on his million dollar Porsche 918. Go figure.

Alice never worked a day in her life yet she managed to accumulate millions of dollars. If she got this money legitimately (lottery, inheritance, etc.) then she would have had no reason to be paranoid about the tax revenue agents.

Sure, Alice could have stolen the money, robbed a bank, was laundered somebody’s money: but of all of the possibilities, the most probable one is that she got the money through her unauthorized sales of art pieces.

YOU:
5. How do we know the Aunt was scared of anyone?

Me:
I can only make a reasoned inference from the facts and circumstances. What is your conclusion, based upon these same facts and circumstances?

You:
Is it possible she was scared of them bc she was the 1 who sold the family art from the trust and didn't want them to spill the beans?

Me:
You are asking me to speculate.

The art collection was extremely large: Several hundred paintings and then the sculptures, musical instruments, furniture, etc. So if Aunt Marie had flooded the art market with that much art then the art world would have gone into crisis mode and everybody would have heard about that. I would say that even now, for the most part, the collection is still intact. It may be in the possession of third parties who are “holding” these works for Alice or AAB, but my opinion is that Aunt Marie did not flood the art market with the entire collection. That would have made international headlines.

Unlike Alice and AAB, Aunt Marie was neither a show-off nor a spendthrift.

MyCousinAlice
 
  • #43
MCA, I've read the police resolution which was translated from Czech to English, yes? Am I correct that the police found the medications used for what they determined was a suicide death close at hand? According to the report they also found "no participation of another" in the death. Do the police believe there has been a crime committed?
 
  • #44
MCA, I've read the police resolution which was translated from Czech to English, yes? Am I correct that the police found the medications used for what they determined was a suicide death close at hand? According to the report they also found "no participation of another" in the death. Do the police believe there has been a crime committed?

YOU:
MCA, I've read the police resolution which was translated from Czech to English, yes?

ME:
Yes, I translated it. It would be “nice” to have it certified, but I do not have the money for that. If you know somebody who can certify the translation for Jane Doe’s sake, then I would gladly provide the report in its native form along with an unedited translation.

You:
Am I correct that the police found the medications used for what they determined was a suicide death close at hand?

ME:
Yes, the police seized a lot of medications close to the body.

I believe that some sleeping pills were even crushed in a bowl and mixed with yogurt, which makes me believe that Jane Doe was in pain and was being “doctored” by somebody.

Since these pills and penicillin are white, Jane Doe would not have been able to tell the difference if she relied upon somebody else. This is important because of the bottle of wine: alcohol and sleeping pills are a lethal combination.

Why would Jane Doe want penicillin? I would speculate that maybe she had problems breathing and she may have thought that this was due to pneumonia. As the autopsy revealed, she was suffering from emphysema, and she should have been in a hospital. My speculation is that she overstayed her VISA and was afraid to go to a hospital out of fear of being deported. After all, Alice did have passport-type photographs of Jane Doe which makes me believe that Jane Doe was probably hoping that Alice would “fix” Jane Doe’s legal issues.

Yet a month before, if you want to believe that the body is Alice, she was skiing the Italian Alps?

YOU:
According to the report they also found "no participation of another" in the death. Do the police believe there has been a crime committed?

ME:
The investigation began as a criminal investigation. Ultimately the death was classified as a “death without witness” and specifically a suicide. The Police were very interested in the evidence that I sent them, but they cannot do anything because the prosecutor’s office refuses to reopen the case.

If you can find a lawyer in the Czech Republic willing to help, then maybe we can get Justice for Jane Doe.

MyCousinAlice
 
  • #45
Has anyone searched missing person databases recently for the "jane doe"?

To me, the younger pictures of Alice, in her 20's are NOT the woman in the photos in the 2000's. @MyCousinAlice is it possible you met the Jane Doe instead of the actual Alice?

Anything I say is all speculation at this point. I'll wait for a verified professional to offer some input.
 
  • #46
Just something i noted: In the pic of Alice and her friends on vacation, there is a woman that reminds me of the comparison photo, the woman with body guards. I can't say what I want to say here...
 
  • #47
MyCousinAlice, did the prosecutor's office give a reason for not reopening the case?
 
  • #48
I found this. It's about the Indian Scammer AAS (modnote: name changed to initials only) who hired H&K at one time. Not sure what to think of it. According to this TB was still associated with H&K in 2011.

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  • #49
I don't understand where the info in the UK corporate records come from. There must be some kind of explanation.

PR Leaders Hill Knowlton Strategies and M3 Communications Group Inc Celebrate 20 Years of Partnership - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

The partnership between the Bulgarian PR company and Hill+Knowlton Strategies started in 2000, when the President of the PR corporation at that time sent Maxim B. <modsnip: full surname redacted> an email with a proposal for cooperation. The CEO of M3 Communications Group, Inc.met the Executive Vice-presidentof the global PR corporation, Terence Billing, and shortly afterwards the Bulgarian company joined the Hill+Knowlton Strategies’s family.
 
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  • #50
It looks like Alice had pierced eyes (by lots of pictures of her) and was wearing earrings most of the times. Nothing was mentioned about that in the autopsy rapport. I'm not sure not pierced ears would have been mention by a coroner. I can imagine pierced ears would have been mentioned. Post mortem picture of Jane Doe shows no earrings. Picture is to grainy to see if her ears wear pierced. I feel sad for you LE didn't released the video taken in her apartment. I would love to see the pictures on the wall.
 
  • #51
Just something i noted: In the pic of Alice and her friends on vacation, there is a woman that reminds me of the comparison photo, the woman with body guards. I can't say what I want to say here...

If I have attached a Snippet of what you identified as “Alice and her friends on vacation” (too large to upload to WS so I had to snip it down in size) and the “comparison photo” (see attachments) then yes, that is Alice in both photographs.

In the “Alice and her friends on vacation” Alice is standing all the way to our left, wearing a black coat and gold scarf.

If I guessed the wrong photograph then snip away and post it so we can talk about the same thing.

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  • #52
Has anyone searched missing person databases recently for the "jane doe"?

To me, the younger pictures of Alice, in her 20's are NOT the woman in the photos in the 2000's. @MyCousinAlice is it possible you met the Jane Doe instead of the actual Alice?

Anything I say is all speculation at this point. I'll wait for a verified professional to offer some input.

Use the “Snipping Tool” (or any other similar tool) and snip the photograph and attach it to your post so that I can know exactly which photographs you are referring to.

I noticed that I can upload files of only a certain size to WS and if you also experience this, snip a smaller portion of the photograph that you want me to consider. That way I can still identify the photograph without guessing.

Jane Doe has been with Alice and AAB since at least 2006, so it is possible that she appears in other photographs. I am satisfied that Jane Doe is the woman who appears on the 2006 Christmas photograph with AAB and that Santa head decoration on the wall behind them, the dead woman in the 2 CSI photographs, and the face on the 2011 passport photographs.

So snip away.

PS: As dingy and giggly as Alice was when I met her in 2001, that was Alice. She was even more dingy when she met my brother in 1997. You should see those photographs.

And then you have Mr. Gibson’s software showing only a 0.2% match between the 2012 dead face of Jane Doe and 2001 Alice with Aunt Marie and me.
 
  • #53
It looks like Alice had pierced eyes (by lots of pictures of her) and was wearing earrings most of the times. Nothing was mentioned about that in the autopsy rapport. I'm not sure not pierced ears would have been mention by a coroner. I can imagine pierced ears would have been mentioned. Post mortem picture of Jane Doe shows no earrings. Picture is to grainy to see if her ears wear pierced. I feel sad for you LE didn't released the video taken in her apartment. I would love to see the pictures on the wall.

OMG I meant of course pierced ears..sorry my bad....
 
  • #54
If I have attached a Snippet of what you identified as “Alice and her friends on vacation” (too large to upload to WS so I had to snip it down in size) and the “comparison photo” (see attachments) then yes, that is Alice in both photographs.

In the “Alice and her friends on vacation” Alice is standing all the way to our left, wearing a black coat and gold scarf.

If I guessed the wrong photograph then snip away and post it so we can talk about the same thing.

Who are the women on the "holliday" picture? where you able to find out their names? Any indication of the year this picture was made?
 
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  • #55
Es @MyCousinAlice It's the one on the far right back that seemed to resemble those recent pics This is so different than the usual tos at WS, I am trying not to be too over the top about it. I dont know that person, she isn't Alice so I dont want to be the person that started some wild accusations lol Yes, those are the exact pics I was referring tom
 
  • #56
Es @MyCousinAlice It's the one on the far right back that seemed to resemble those recent pics This is so different than the usual tos at WS, I am trying not to be too over the top about it. I dont know that person, she isn't Alice so I dont want to be the person that started some wild accusations lol Yes, those are the exact pics I was referring tom

I placed a yellow circled around Alice in that vacation group photograph. It would be helpful if you circled the individual that you say looks like Alice, so that there is no confusion on my part.
Our left would be their right. So as Alice stood in that photograph, she was standing all the way to the right of the group, but looking at this photograph for our perspective, Alice is standing on the far left corner of this group.
 
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  • #57
I wasnt clear enough . I dont think the woman looks like Alice. I think the pics we were comparing to Alice in the beginning of the thread resembles the "Lady with body guards", in the vaca pic. Very TOP, far right (our right) Gray/black jacket with a white shell underneath, all we can see is her face/ head and she is MUCH younger in the vaca pic. Idk how it would even matter if it is the same woman. And they just seemed similar. one pic is in profile one is front facing so It's nothing we can really latch onto.
 
  • #58
Is the son friends with any of these ppl in the vaca pic? Even on facebook? If so, it may be beneficial to locate their profiles and search their friend lists. If Alice is out there- I imagine she would want to be on social media. I mean, she was/wants/wanted to be a socialite IMOO, they all have profiles, even if they don't maintain it themselves. But maybe I am thinking too present day. Just a thought.
I can see you've been searching social media already! Good idea!
 
  • #59
MyCousinAlice, did the prosecutor's office give a reason for not reopening the case?

This is what we got back from the District 5 Prosecutor’s Office on September 7, 2020:

“Ve shora uvedené věci Vám sděluji, že ve věci jste byl opakovaně informován o tom, že nejste osobou oprávněnou k žádosti dle § 157a tr. řádu. Stejně tak jste byl informován o náležitostech podání (v lednu a v březnu 2020) a skutečnosti, že opakovaná podání neobsahující nové skutečnosti se bez dalšího založí.”

Using a free Czech to English translator this is what it says:

“In the above case, I would like to inform you that you have been repeatedly informed in the matter that you are not a person entitled to the application pursuant to Section 157a of the Penal Code. order. You were also informed about the requirements of the submission (January and March 2020) and the fact that repeated submissions without new facts will be established without further ado.”

As you can tell, we tried several times. Although my brother submitted a notarized complaint in accordance with their “requirements of the submission” apparently that was not good enough for them because we are not considered “the injured party”. So what if we aren’t the injured party: we are witnesses to the fact that the body is not Alice!

We can’t even get a telephone call through to the Prosecutor’s Office at District 5. We called other district offices around Prague and a real person would always pick up our telephone call. We would tell them what the deal is about and they would get all excited and say that this is a case that will “without question” get reopened but that we have to go through the “proper” district, which is District 5, and District 5 won’t budge.

§157a of the Czech Penal Code:

Request for review of the procedure of the police authority and the public prosecutor

(1) The person against whom criminal proceedings are being conducted and the injured party have the right at any time during the preparatory proceedings to request the public prosecutor to eliminate delays in the proceedings or defects in the procedure of the police authority. This request is not bound by any time limit. The request must be submitted to the public prosecutor immediately and the public prosecutor must process it immediately. The applicant must be informed of the outcome of the review.

(2) A request for the elimination of delays in proceedings or defects in the procedure of the public prosecutor shall be processed by the public prosecutor of the immediately higher public prosecutor's office.
 
  • #60
I found this. It's about the Indian Scammer AAS (modnote: name changed to initials only) who hired H&K at one time. Not sure what to think of it. According to this TB was still associated with H&K in 2011.

<modsnip: Wikifrauds is not an approved source>

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<modsnip>I am thankful that you found this particular article since I never found it myself even after 5 years of looking! Is there a WS verified expert who can forensically examine this article to find out (1) who published it and (2) when it was posted on the internet?

While we wait for the WS experts to weigh in, let me address my concerns with this article through a non-exhaustive list of points:

1. TB is spelled “Terence Billing”. Not “Terrence Billings”. A spelling error? Totally different individual? A fake news article?

2. Assuming that this is a “simple spelling error” then this article flagrantly declares that TB was employed by HK (Hill & Knowlton), a global public relations corporation, during 2011.

3. HK is part of a conglomerate of corporations.

4. Within this conglomerate, WPP Plc is the “ultimate controlling party”.

5. Then WPP Group (UK) Limited is the “immediate parent company”.

6. Then “HK” AKA “HK Limited” AKA Hill & Knowlton Limited is the “parent company”.

7. Below HK Limited are the smaller HKs, also called the HK “network”. One sample under this “network” is Hill & Knowlton CIS Limited (UK).

8. Whether individuals calls themselves “Vice Presidents” or “CEOs” and are employed at any of the network corporations, they are still titled “Officers” and/or (same thing) “Directors” of HK Limited and their names are listed in HK Limited’s annual reports.

9. As a Vice President, neither Terence Billing nor Terrence Billings are listed on Hill & Knowlton Limited’s Report and Financial Statements published on December 31, 2011. The entire list of Directors is published on Page 1 of the 2011 annual report, which is registered with the UK’s official Companies House registry. I attached the entire 2011 report. Each year a Director's list is published in the annual report for that particular year of publication. I can’t find “Terence Billing” or “Terrence Billings”, anywhere in the 2011 annual report.

10. Looking forward to Hill & Knowlton Limited’s 2012 annual report: No “Terence Billing” or “Terrence Billings” is listed on Page 1. See the entire 2012 annual report, attached.

11. Looking back to Hill & Knowlton Limited’s 2010: No “Terence Billing” or “Terrence Billings” is listed on Page 1. See the entire 2010 annual report, attached.

12. Terence was supposedly employed as the director of a network corporation, Kill & Knowlton CIS Limited. The problem is that he resigned from Hill & Knowlton CIS Limited on “02/09/2009”. Find attached the “Termination of Appointment” form 288b.

13. Looking at Hill & Knowlton CIS Limited’s 2009 annual report: “T Billing” is listed as a Director on Page 1.

14. The Problem: The 2009 annual report for the parent corporation, Hill & Knowlton Limited, does not have T Billing listed.

15. Hill & Knowlton CIS Limited was incorporated in 1998, and its 1999 annual report lists T Billing as a Director.

16. Again the problem is that the 1999 annual reports (there are two, the original and an amended report filed in 2000) for the parent corporation, Hill & Knowlton Limited, fails to list T Billing as a Director.

16. Going as far back as these records for Hill & Knowlton Limited are available online, to 1994, TB is not listed there, either.

17. All of these annual reports and the 2009 resignation are recorded with the official United Kingdom’s Companies House.

>>>Ran out of WS memory so I will attach the remaining documents to follow-up reply<<<

18. The HK network has a satellite corporation is Germany called Hill and Knowlton Tech GmbH. An unofficial entity called OpenCorporate Trust which introduces itself as “a new entity that guarantees the OpenCorporate mission to open up company data for the public good” names a “Terence Billing” as an “executive Director” with an “End Date 2008-11-05”. My interpretation is that OpenCorporats Trust believes that Terence Billing was no longer a director at this particular HK network as of “2008-11-05” which I guess is November 5, 2008.

19. Looking at the 2008 annual report for Hill & Knowlton Limited (attached) again fails to list TB as a Director.

20. What to conclude? These records “seem” to indicate that TB was a “ghost” who probably had a friend or friends within the HK network who created a fake employment history for TB. Their influence did not seem to reach into the parent company’s levels (HK Limited), that would explain why TB’s name never appears on HK Limited’s annual reports.

Will any verified WS experts or any WS members who have experience reviewing corporate records, be willing to opine?

This is important because “if true” then TB’s credibility is obliterated. That is important because, according to Komisar Michal, TB “positively identified the body as Alice”.

That article that you found may have been planted onto the internet to make it appear as if TB was employed at HK in 2011. That is the impression that it gave you, correct?

I could be wrong. If I am, please show me where I am wrong.

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