Dad Of naked 6 Yr Old Cover Girls Writes About "Sensuality Of Children"

[SeriouslySearching]

I haven't seen the ones of the nude man holding a nude child. Ack! I certainly don't like that either. I like the ones of the babies in the flowers and cabbage leafs and all. Those are the cute ones.

One is in the gallery under the Calendar 1996-1999 series of photos and I believe it is photo #19. It depicts a "dark angel" wearing only black wings holding a baby wearing white wings (which do cover the baby, but still...he is holding the baby at crotch level!)

http://www.annegeddes.com/modules/anne/galleries/browse.aspx?pi_galleryid=6

 

[liltigress]

One is in the gallery under the Calendar 1996-1999 series of photos and I believe it is photo #19. It depicts a "dark angel" wearing only black wings holding a baby wearing white wings (which do cover the baby, but still...he is holding the baby at crotch level!)

http://www.annegeddes.com/modules/anne/galleries/browse.aspx?pi_galleryid=6

Ohhh! I see that one! NO, I don't like it either. That can be interpreted in so many ways, can't it? The rest up to that one are just precious and to think that anyone would want to harm a child is beyond me.

 

[southcitymom]

If the children are complimented on how cute they are nude as a camera flashes in their face, of course they are gonna think that's cute. It's all the matter of how parents react to it.

My goal is and was to teach my children modesty and to keep their private parts of their body, private.

So, yes, I still say blame shifting. Is he saying it was her fault because she wanted it?

My young children (0-4/5) were naked a lot and preferred that. They loved naked. We dressed them in public, of course, but never cared around the house. Their modesty started to kick in around 5 and was pretty well set by 6. I don't know if we did anything to make them love naked or to make them become modest - it all seemed to happen fairly organically and I can't say with any authority that either state (naked/not naked) was taught.

I can say confidentally that when it started to kick in, we reinforced private parts, boundaries and expected decorum. I can also say that had it not started to kick in, I would have ramped up my efforts in that regard at a certain age.

Had I been a photographer, would I have wanted to capture all that cute nakedness? Maybe - probably. Would I have then been exploiting and blameshifting? I just don't know. You raise provocative points, to be sure!

 

[southcitymom]

SCM-

Once again I am sitting here in awe of your honesty and insight into your own feelings.

As a person who has delved (sp?) deep to better understand herself and has found things that makes others uncomfortable I want to thank you for staying true regardless- it helps me do the same, it honestly does.

You, Sister, are one of my heros

(Today I needed to be reminded of that quote you quoted)

The feeling is entirely mutual, OLG, and I remain, as always, humbled by your path!:blowkiss: I am so grateful we are in this together.

 

[liltigress]

I am in no way pointing a finger or saying you would be exploiting or blame shifting. It is known that this child's parents are photographing their child nude for the entire world to see. Isn't it our job, as parents, to protect our children instead of exploit them?

I certainly wouldn't photograph my child nude and post it for the world. I know what's out there, waiting to see a naked child and vulger it all up.

 

[Ciara]

I have to agree with everything liltigress says on this one especially after reading stories like the one in The Establishment Paedophile thread. Who wants men like that getting off to these pictures and they do.
There are a million ways to photograph kids without having to photograph them nude and release them publically for these men to collect and pass around to each other.

 

[Salem]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so forgive me if this has already been pointed out, but I find this very disturbing (its from the article linked in Post 1 on page 1):

"Nelson also refers to the use of a pacifier in the photos of Olympia as "a necessary token of her age” … “Yet the (pacifier) itself is ambiguous … it also evokes the perversity of pleasure-sucking, i.e. a sucking for non-nutritious purposes, apparently serving a hedonistic function unrelated to nourishment."

Okay - maybe I'm over-reacting here, but doesn't it sound like he is fantasing about inappropriate things?

Salem

 

[snvoigt]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so forgive me if this has already been pointed out, but I find this very disturbing (its from the article linked in Post 1 on page 1):

"Nelson also refers to the use of a pacifier in the photos of Olympia as "a necessary token of her age” … “Yet the (pacifier) itself is ambiguous … it also evokes the perversity of pleasure-sucking, i.e. a sucking for non-nutritious purposes, apparently serving a hedonistic function unrelated to nourishment."

Okay - maybe I'm over-reacting here, but doesn't it sound like he is fantasing about inappropriate things?

Salem

Salem,
That was was got me really hard about the whole artice. What parents say that? My babies are/were pacie babies, and that just makes me sick.

Shauna

 

[liltigress]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so forgive me if this has already been pointed out, but I find this very disturbing (its from the article linked in Post 1 on page 1):

"Nelson also refers to the use of a pacifier in the photos of Olympia as "a necessary token of her age” … “Yet the (pacifier) itself is ambiguous … it also evokes the perversity of pleasure-sucking, i.e. a sucking for non-nutritious purposes, apparently serving a hedonistic function unrelated to nourishment."

Okay - maybe I'm over-reacting here, but doesn't it sound like he is fantasing about inappropriate things?

Salem

I never saw the pic they were talking about there, so I never commented.

I wondered how old she was when she had the pacifier pic taken? If she was 6, it would appear intentionally provocative. If she was 2, then whoever is making the assumption of

"evokes the perversity of pleasure-sucking, i.e. a sucking for non-nutritious purposes"

should just stop.

 

[Ciara]

It was her dad that said those words liltigress.

 

[liltigress]

It was her dad that said those words liltigress.

Thanks Ciara
I had to go back and read it again. Yeah, of course this dad needs to be looked into. He is sick.

 

[Salem]

See, Taxi - some people do feel a perv factor if nipple stimulation during breastfeeding leads to sexual arousal!! I get that such a response feels taboo to some folks, but I don't think it's inherently icky or even all that surprising. It wasn't my experience - breastfeeding was very painful for me even after my nipples toughened up - but it is more common than I think we may imagine. I just suspect many woman would not feel comfortable "admitting" it.

SCM - I shortened your post some to save space - hope you don't mind. I did want to respond to this comment about breast feeding though - the way I understand it (from La Leche League), this "sexual" feeling is perfectly natural and is actually the uterus contracting, which is a good thing, all in all. Yes, in this day and age, I would agree that most women would not admit this feeling, but honestly, it is nothing to be ashamed of and it should not stop anyone from breastfeeding. If a mother loves her child enough to give breastfeeding a shot, I am sure she would not act out on any "sexual" feelings. Besides, it is not the child that is causing the feeling, it is the nipple stimulation and the uterus. So I agree with you 100% - this is not icky, just nature.

Salem

 

[Ciara]

His words definately give me the Ick Factor thats for sure.

 

[pedinurse]

Here's a pic from her website. http://polixenipapapetrou.net/work.php?cat=Play_2000&img=1

OMG!! that is just... wrong. what was she going for, some titanic theme? WTF???!?!


YES, children are very sensory oriented. infants for instance, learn from hearing, mouthing things (tasting) touch.

but the whole - connotation of the word "sensual" is sexual (or at least, it has been sexualized). totally different.

this guy was trying to make it a sexual thing in my opinion and is a perv.

 

[pedinurse]

ok, i like the picture of the guy holding the baby... i think it is beautiful. there's nothing perverted there.

 

[pedinurse]

Aside from my belief that this is child , I don't even believe the picture to be worthy of a cover for an Art magazine to start with. The picture is ugly, not the child mind you - beautiful child other than she should have clothes on, but the picture of and by itself is horrid. It is my opinion the only reason it was put on the cover was because the child was nude and to bring about controversy.

And as far as being sexually stimulated by breast feeding. . . just ugh. If you get sexually stimulatd while breast feeding, you should stop.

It was a horrid picture. looking at the link that SCM posted by this photographer, she actually does have some good pics (no, not the risky one of the child in her grandmothers jewlery... and nothing else on). some of them are downright beautiful (one picture was picked up for an art show, for a compliation of other artists who picture children.) that picture had a lot of artistic elements.

this one does not.

 

[pedinurse]

http://polixenipapapetrou.net/work.php?cat=Games_of_Consequence_2008&img=5

this one is interesting

this one is one that got into the art show... very pretty i think.


http://polixenipapapetrou.net/work.php?cat=Haunted_Country_2006&img=5

too bad that talented people can, you know, victimize their children.

look at this one... from the same group of photos that has the "Art" cover photo.

http://polixenipapapetrou.net/work.php?cat=Dreamchild_2003&img=6

tell me what you think

 

[liltigress]

The last link, Beggar Maid... Hmm. For a child to be a beggar? or a maid? seems to me as if they are implying something impure.

Why is it necessary for them to have her dress open at the top, leaving her bare chest exposed... or ripped up the front above her knees? Again, it appears they are sexualizing her.

She is a beautiful little girl and this picture could have depicted the same outcome if they would have closed her dress or have a shirt under it or anything.

 

[Kiki]

In the photos that I have seen Anne Geddes makes sure that the infants, although nude, do not have their private parts on display. The children in her shots are only ever identified by the first name and age as well. Poor little Olympia has been photographed nude and both her parents have identified themselves publicly. It would not be too difficult, I think, for a pedophile who became obsessed with her to find her home address and where she goes to school. Olympia could not possibly know that but her parents should. I think the line in the sand for any publicly released photos should be Is this make picture likely to make the cover of a pedophile magazine?

 

[southcitymom]

SCM - I shortened your post some to save space - hope you don't mind. I did want to respond to this comment about breast feeding though - the way I understand it (from La Leche League), this "sexual" feeling is perfectly natural and is actually the uterus contracting, which is a good thing, all in all. Yes, in this day and age, I would agree that most women would not admit this feeling, but honestly, it is nothing to be ashamed of and it should not stop anyone from breastfeeding. If a mother loves her child enough to give breastfeeding a shot, I am sure she would not act out on any "sexual" feelings. Besides, it is not the child that is causing the feeling, it is the nipple stimulation and the uterus. So I agree with you 100% - this is not icky, just nature.

Salem

:blowkiss: Agree 100% Salem!

Sometimes the subject matter can lead us to see monsters where there are none.