"Damning Proof Found"

[Jdee]

Good point.. So just where did they 'stash her' while they went to meet the Pope or hang in the US trying to get in to to see The First Lady?
When you spell it out it all just rings stupid to me or complete insanity...

 

[TaylorJ4]

I think they placed her body somewhere after she died, then when the search got too close to the hidig place, one (or both) of the parents used the rental car to move her body somewhere else.

 

[philamena]

This is the most concrete evidence I've heard so far but I'm still not ready to accuse the parents yet.

 

[colomom]

No facts, no corroboration, pure innuendo and speculation. Wait for corroborated facts.

What would be the point of sleuthing then??

Sleuth=detective...to detect...to figure out the truth...

If you have the facts then you have the truth!!

 

[Taximom]

Well, her decomposing body had to be somewhere where the cadaver dogs couldn't follow the scent to. Where did they stash her, and cover that smell too?

 

[Barnaby]

Well, her decomposing body had to be somewhere where the cadaver dogs couldn't follow the scent to. Where did they stash her, and cover that smell too?

I think that her body would have been buried before the cadaver dogs arrived

 

[Jdee]

Very good point Taxi! Did the LE take the dogs to the cliffs and walk them all around?
IF Madeleine was moved in that car then her body HAD to be somewhere between the point of her death and the point she was put in the car and moved. All that moving around of a corpse would spread the scent (and DNA) I would think to the area she was or still is.
I am having a very hard time with the 'kept body' or stashed body for weeks until they moved her.
Turns the whole thing in to the macabre.

 

[Elphaba]

well, they are drs... they do have medical knowledge that could lend to keeping her ferried away until there was a convenient time to move her.

 

[philamena]

Well, her decomposing body had to be somewhere where the cadaver dogs couldn't follow the scent to. Where did they stash her, and cover that smell too?

Ditto!
There's no way they could hide the scent....is there?
Unless she was put into the ocean.

 

[colomom]

OK, I have not really followed this case all that closely until the last week when the allegations against the parents hit the news. I have been really unwilling to believe the parents could be involved. I kept thinking about the Van Dams in San Diego, when their daughter went missing and they were raked over the coals about their swinging lifestyle, etc, and made to look responsible for her disappearance, when in fact their neighbor had abducted, raped and murdered Danielle.

But this news about Maddy's DNA leaves me floored. What kind of freaks would carry the body of their daughter around for weeks after they killed her? How would that work? They were surrounded by people almost all the time after her disappearance - how could they have snuck the body to the car? And do they still have it? It would have been almost impossible to dispose of it after the case went public, there were too many people around them. This is really mind-blowing to me.

The McCann's did not have possession of the car in question until 5 weeks after the dissapearance of Maddie. So, she would not have been in the car all that time. They would probably have hidden her somewhere and then 5 weeks later moved her body to a more remote location.

Maddie was a small child and could have been placed into a large duffle bag. Carrying a duffle bag out to a car and placing it into the trunk would not appear suspicious to me. As another poster said, perhaps they were getting close in their searches and somebody got nervous. She might even have been in the duffle bag when initially hidden and never removed from it. Just moved to another location. I do not believe that the PJ had the McCanns under 24 hour survelliance from the get go. They were operating as if there had been an abduction. They did not suspect the parents, outright, until much later, like when the dogs came out.

The DNA has been reported as being from blood or other bodily fluids.

 

[Jdee]

yes but where? Fridges are too small and with the LE in and out you don't just stash a coprse under the bed.
I think the medical knowledge would perhaps keep them from grossing completely out of shuffeling a dead body around... but passed that I can't grasp it.

 

[NewMom2003]

What is "PJ"?

I haven't followed this case until now, sorry.

 

[colomom]

Ditto!
There's no way they could hide the scent....is there?
Unless she was put into the ocean.

Ok, here's the deal...I know for a fact that within a 10 minutes drive of the resort...it is like basically out in the middle of nowhere....there are many wells and old viaduct systems as well as very deep crevices and caves in the cliffs.

The PJ do not have the resources to conduct searches of the entire region. MoonGoddess, who was just there last week, confirmed that the area surrounding the resort is barren, vast and finding a body would be like "finding a needle in a haystack".

 

[colomom]

What is "PJ"?

I haven't followed this case until now, sorry.

Polícia Judiciária which is the name of the local law enforcement agency in Praia da Luz. The "cops".

 

[philamena]

Ok, here's the deal...I know for a fact that within a 10 minutes drive of the resort...it is like basically out in the middle of nowhere....there are many wells and old viaduct systems as well as very deep crevices and caves in the cliffs.

The PJ do not have the resources to conduct searches of the entire region. MoonGoddess, who was just there last week, confirmed that the area surrounding the resort is barren, vast and finding a body would be like "finding a needle in a haystack".

Oh my! Thanks for the information colomom.

 

[poco]

yes but where? Fridges are too small and with the LE in and out you don't just stash a coprse under the bed.
I think the medical knowledge would perhaps keep them from grossing completely out of shuffeling a dead body around... but passed that I can't grasp it.

Brainstorming here -

Okay, wasn't there another apartment that they found some blood/DNA in and are testing that too? Is it possible they moved her body to that apartment immediately after it happened while the initial search took place.

Wasn't the car they rented previously rented a few weeks earlier by another couple they were vacationing with? Was she possibly placed in the back of that car immediately following the "incident", and then again moved there???

We don't know how many times their apartment was searched - heck, we don't know alot.

There was something about a refrigerator, too.

 

[colomom]

yes but where? Fridges are too small and with the LE in and out you don't just stash a coprse under the bed.
I think the medical knowledge would perhaps keep them from grossing completely out of shuffeling a dead body around... but passed that I can't grasp it.

I still believe that she was taken from the resort immediately and someone either drove or hiked or jogged to a location far enough away, not hard to do, and easily hidden.

 

[colomom]

Brainstorming here -

Okay, wasn't there another apartment that they found some blood/DNA in and are testing that too? Is it possible they moved her body to that apartment immediately after it happened while the initial search took place.

Wasn't the car they rented previously rented a few weeks earlier by another couple they were vacationing with? Was she possibly placed in the back of that car immediately following the "incident", and then again moved there???

We don't know how many times their apartment was searched - heck, we don't know alot.

There was something about a refrigerator, too.

I think MoonGoddess told us that fridges were too small BUT everything else...poco...fantastic...YES!! Absolutely.

 

[philamena]

Please don't say the parents hid her in the refridgerator. That's too unbearable to even think about.

 

[Jdee]

In that Times article I posted ealier.. (heck if I rememeber which thread now).. it did state that after everyone left that night when she went missing that Gerry and Kate went out alone in the dark along the cliffs and called for Madeleine. I suppose it is possible they could have hidden her then.. but before that....?
Then of course they had to go back probably in the dark and find where they stashed her (I think that might have been difficult given the state of mind they were in upon initially stashing her) to move her once again.