"Damning Proof Found"

[colomom]

I think that her body would have been buried before the cadaver dogs arrived

Correct Barnaby. The cadaver dogs did not come to Portugal until maybe 4 weeks ago...

The sniffer dogs were used in the first few days, just around the resort to try and track what they assumed would have been a kidnapped (alive) child and then another kind of sniffer dog was used in the scrubland search. But, that was all I read about dogs being used.

 

[colomom]

In that Times article I posted ealier.. (heck if I rememeber which thread now).. it did state that after everyone left that night when she went missing that Gerry and Kate went out alone in the dark along the cliffs and called for Madeleine. I suppose it is possible they could have hidden her then.. but before that....?
Then of course they had to go back probably in the dark and find where they stashed her (I think that might have been difficult given the state of mind they were in upon initially stashing her) to move her once again.

This is where it gets harder to try and nail down for sure...

We will probably never know those kinds of details until a confession...or maybe never.

I am like alot of others though....I just want to know WHERE SHE IS!!!

 

[colomom]

Please don't say the parents hid her in the refridgerator. That's too unbearable to even think about.

I agree...but it is better than thinking she is with a pedophile....

 

[Jdee]

I agree...but it is better than thinking she is with a pedophile....

I have to completely agree with this one... As sad as it is...

 

[Texana]

VERY good point. She was not able to put together a list like mine? Maybe I should be a doctor.

Or play one on tv.

Yes, your list was perfect. (I remember you suggesting several threads ago that the McCanns could have borrowed vehicle(s) from any other member of the party.

And they could have used another apartment from someone else in the group. Wasn't their second villa another one rented by one of the party previously, before they left to return home?

I really want to know if there is other evidence such as the intercepted emails or phone calls. I can't see the DNA alone being strong enough to charge Kate--and not Gerry--and not one the original renter--Unless there's something else that specifically implicates Kate.

 

[poco]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=65542&in_page_id=34

Not one, not two, but THREE DNA matches......

But last night it was claimed that forensic tests have found three DNA matches to the missing girl.

One came from the window sill of the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and two from the Renault Scenic car the McCanns hired 25 days after the girl disappeared.

 

[Betsy]

I agree...but it is better than thinking she is with a pedophile....

This I whole-heartedly agree with.


What if....she died accidently, and the parents were terrified of something else being discovered if they called the police right away (drugs? abuse?), so they hid her little body somewhere where they were sure *someone* would find her--but when no one did, they couldn't bear to have her eternal resting place being *there* (and they couldn't leave Portugal and leave her out *there*), so they (or someone) moved her (using their car) where they could have a ceremonial burial at sea or something like that. Something to ease their consciences. Then they stuck around to make sure she didn't surface (think Scott Peterson), thus all the jogging along the beach and sticking around "searching".

Maybe the PJ has had this DNA car evidence for a long time, and were just biding their time hoping the parents would lead them to her, but when the parents started making plans to leave, that's when they turned up the heat.

My God, if my child was *missing*, I would always be watching for her to come home from where she was *missing*. They seem to know for sure at this point she's never coming back. You'd have to drag me away from wherever my child went missing and I'd be kicking and screaming and hysterical every second.

They seem relieved to be home. For now anyway.

 

[twinkiesmom]

And yet the Gazeta Digital site has an item that says this is false:

BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS

Portuguese CID spokesman: “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in van rented by McCann is false” - 10.09.07 (22h07)
Chief-Inspector Olegário de Sousa, spokesman of Portuguese CID, said that “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in the van rented by the McCann, is false.” Mr. Olegário said also that the he talked with Martin Brunt today (September 10) afternoon, around 7.00 pm, but the Sky News crime correspondent didn't asked any question about DNA samples in the McCann van and that subject wasn't even referred during the conversation. “The content of that news is completely false”, the Polícia Judiciária spokesman said.

 

[concernedperson]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=65542&in_page_id=34

Not one, not two, but THREE DNA matches......

But last night it was claimed that forensic tests have found three DNA matches to the missing girl.

One came from the window sill of the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and two from the Renault Scenic car the McCanns hired 25 days after the girl disappeared.

Notice they are saying fluids vs. any other description. Blood was more than likely the DNA on the window sill but I imagine it was bodily fluids easily identified as decomposition fluids with identifiable DNA in the boot of the car. This would mean without a doubt that Maddie was transferred after her death in that vehicle.

 

[goddess]

Brainstorming here -

Okay, wasn't there another apartment that they found some blood/DNA in and are testing that too? Is it possible they moved her body to that apartment immediately after it happened while the initial search took place.

Wasn't the car they rented previously rented a few weeks earlier by another couple they were vacationing with? Was she possibly placed in the back of that car immediately following the "incident", and then again moved there???

We don't know how many times their apartment was searched - heck, we don't know alot.

There was something about a refrigerator, too.

Plausible, especially if the hid her in a duffle bag. If at first the parents were not being watched by PJ, they could have stored her in a cooler in someone else's home. Someone who empathized with their plight in a 'there but for the grace of god I go' manner, and someone who would be loyal supporters of their plight.

I hope they find Maddy's body soon. IF the parents are guilty of anything, then they should be required to disclose her location if they want any chance of legal leniency.

 

[BloodshotEye]

And yet the Gazeta Digital site has an item that says this is false:

BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS

Portuguese CID spokesman: “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in van rented by McCann is false” - 10.09.07 (22h07)
Chief-Inspector Olegário de Sousa, spokesman of Portuguese CID, said that “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in the van rented by the McCann, is false.” Mr. Olegário said also that the he talked with Martin Brunt today (September 10) afternoon, around 7.00 pm, but the Sky News crime correspondent didn't asked any question about DNA samples in the McCann van and that subject wasn't even referred during the conversation. “The content of that news is completely false”, the Polícia Judiciária spokesman said.

Interesting. I was wondering how these investigative details were released to the press, when the PJ is so strict about public discussion of the case. Very odd.

 

[BOESP]

Well, her decomposing body had to be somewhere where the cadaver dogs couldn't follow the scent to. Where did they stash her, and cover that smell too?

A dog can't detect someone buried under a layer of pine mulch, so I'm told by a forensic expert in Knoxville, Tennessee. I had never heard this before but this source swears it is true. I even asked a second time to make sure I'd understood correctly.

 

[Edwards20]

And yet the Gazeta Digital site has an item that says this is false:

BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS

Portuguese CID spokesman: “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in van rented by McCann is false” - 10.09.07 (22h07)
Chief-Inspector Olegário de Sousa, spokesman of Portuguese CID, said that “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in the van rented by the McCann, is false.” Mr. Olegário said also that the he talked with Martin Brunt today (September 10) afternoon, around 7.00 pm, but the Sky News crime correspondent didn't asked any question about DNA samples in the McCann van and that subject wasn't even referred during the conversation. “The content of that news is completely false”, the Polícia Judiciária spokesman said.

Until I hear/see a statement from LE, this is still too much to grasp. Too many rumors and speculation. Guilty or not, the media has certainly crucified them already.

 

[Kgram]

I hate to think the parents are involved in this but has anyone ever used these? http://www.ziploc.com/?p=b8
They are huge zip lock bags. I've used them at the beach, dump all your wet sandy towels and toys in them and to store king sized comforters for the summer. It's a awful thought but if she was put in 2 of these the human nose may not have smelled a decomposing body. I pray they are not guilty but things do look strange.

 

[philamena]

I hate to think the parents are involved in this but has anyone ever used these? http://www.ziploc.com/?p=b8
They are huge zip lock bags. I've used them at the beach, dump all your wet sandy towels and toys in them and to store king sized comforters for the summer. It's a awful thought but if she was put in 2 of these the human nose may not have smelled a decomposing body. I pray they are not guilty but things do look strange.

Kgram,
I use those large Ziplocs to store large items in. BUT the scent of a dead person would permeate those bags, that's my opinion of course.

 

[mic730]

I love dogs and trust dogs but I am skeptical of cadaver dogs picking up on a scent. When it works to finding a body I think what special, wonderful creatures but when it comes to picking up on a scent of a body and no body is found I have to put that aside as 'real' evidence.

 

[englishleigh]

Kgram,
I use those large Ziplocs to store large items in. BUT the scent of a dead person would permeate those bags, that's my opinion of course.

Plastic, like plastic wrap, ziplock bags, bubble wrap absolutely absorb smells, esp. strong ones. I sent a friend in Ohio a perfume sample in a bubble mailer, the kind lined with plastic bubble wrap, and she said she could smell it when she took the package out of her mailbox, and 6 months later, the envelope still smells like the perfume.

 

[colomom]

And yet the Gazeta Digital site has an item that says this is false:

BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS – BREAKING NEWS

Portuguese CID spokesman: “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in van rented by McCann is false” - 10.09.07 (22h07)
Chief-Inspector Olegário de Sousa, spokesman of Portuguese CID, said that “Sky News story about Madeleine's DNA in the van rented by the McCann, is false.” Mr. Olegário said also that the he talked with Martin Brunt today (September 10) afternoon, around 7.00 pm, but the Sky News crime correspondent didn't asked any question about DNA samples in the McCann van and that subject wasn't even referred during the conversation. “The content of that news is completely false”, the Polícia Judiciária spokesman said.

Hi twinkiesmom...

I am afraid I am not one of Paulo Reis' biggest fans. Here is a picture of his desk:

and his office/house...

Not that this is a judgement on his reporting abilities, he actually has a good rep. I just really had a hard time with him saying he was convinced of Kate McCanns innocence (way back, early days) because he looked into to her eyes and saw such deep sorrow and grief....I think that you would see that even if she was involved in the accidental death and cover up....

I am very familiar with Police Chief Olegário de Sousa, he would say this because it was not information officially released, but probably leaked.

BTW, I am reading on the Mirror board that the report the PJ is sending on to the judicial systems contains thousands of pages

 

[englishleigh]

What would be the point of sleuthing then??

Sleuth=detective...to detect...to figure out the truth...

If you have the facts then you have the truth!!

Exactly, but we're not supposed to sleuth, didn't you know that??
All murderers are supposed to get away with their crimes!!!

 

[philamena]

Plastic, like plastic wrap, ziplock bags, bubble wrap absolutely absorb smells, esp. strong ones. I sent a friend in Ohio a perfume sample in a bubble mailer, the kind lined with plastic bubble wrap, and she said she could smell it when she took the package out of her mailbox, and 6 months later, the envelope still smells like the perfume.

I should thought of that myself :doh: because just last week I received candles by mail and you're right, they were wrapped in bubble wrap yet I could smell their delicious scent before I unwrapped them.