Darlie's injuries

[deanws]

People around these parts like Goody so you had better be nice. If you aren't, Jeana will get you. She is tough so you have better be a good boy.

Yep!

 

[Goody]

WOW...what a change from your earlier posts...was it yesterday?

Humpty Dump ty had a great fall..:boohoo:...All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty together again.

 

[deanws]

Humpty Dump ty had a great fall..:boohoo:...All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty together again.

LOL...So why Snoots, did you try to hide who you really were? Also, did you really go see Darlie? If you did, why? Do you think her to be innocent?

 

[Goody]

LOL... I guess some get mad when they can't keep their stories straight! Guess if they would tell it straight the first time they wouldn't have such a hard time.

O, don't worry, when Jeffie gets his nose bruised, he will stick pins in Goody. Or Mary. he likes picking on her, too.

 

[deanws]

O, don't worry, when Jeffie gets his nose bruised, he will stick pins in Goody. Or Mary. he likes picking on her, too.

Goody no pin cushion!:snooty: :snooty:

 

[Goody]

Goody no pin cushion!:snooty: :snooty:

Well, now that depends on who has the pins. LOL!

 

[SnootyVixen]

Lividity settles to the lowest points, yes, but that means it settles to the points the victim is laying on. Side, back, front, etc. Lividity would be on his heels, the part touching the floor. The autopsy report states that lividity is present on the posterior of the body.

Yes,on the feet it was present on the heels. They were the lowest part of the feet and the only part touching the floor.

I just refreshed my memory of the report. I see nothing about any bruises on his throat, neck, whatever that area would be called. I see what she calls a faint linear "puntate petechial hemrrage" on the left side.

Yes, this is what I am speaking of. linear punctate petechial hemmorage means that there were bead shaped areas of bleeding beneath the skin in a line across his neck there.

I see nothing about bruises on his feet.

There were no fresh bruises to his feet. I am confused. I thought you said there were from fighting with Darlie. My pardon.

I see 2 old bruises, but boys will be boys, I'm sure they mean nothing. If I went to the morgue tonight, they would think I was beaten on a regular basis. I bruise easily and my medicine throws off my peripheal vision. I bump into things, and then later see these enormous bruises and wonder what????
I don't know anymore than to say I think the bruises on his palms came from fighting with his killer. I am not blowing it off. Hitting at her? A small boy would slap, not punch.

I think to correctly see these bruises for just what they are you would need to experiment a little bit to see what would make those particular areas come into contact with something to cause a bruise. The bruises and the abraisions are not necessarily connected as occuring at the absolute same time I suppose. But the way I was able to recreate something that would cause the bruises was simply to simply take my hands and place them along the edge of my computer desk and then move them further and further apart until only that area touched the desk when I did it. I surmised that if I fell into the table and caught myself with my palms open I would hit there on that fleshy area below the thumb and get a bruise.
I personally have not been able to come up with anything else that would cause that particular type of bruise but I don't know everything for sure. Maybe you can. But I am pretty sure that hitting or slapping at his mother would not cause identical bruises in that area.
As for the abrasion I suppose a rug burn is possible. I can't think of anything else that is reasonable that could have caused it. For that matter if he fell from a standing height onto the carpet without breaking his fall with his knees I suppose that his outflung hands would cause all of the injuries.


The stab on his arm and the carpet burn seem to suggest he flailed his arms around. The bruises are very small, one is only 1/16th of an inch
I'm just not getting that he was upright for the first stab.

It is my opinion only but I think that the fact that we see that blood flowed down his chest and all the way down his underwear indicates to me that he was at least sitting up, kneeling or something. I think that had he been lying down there would have been some outward seeping blood which would have gone onto his chest and seeped down the sides of his chest but not such a gush that it would have saturated his underwear like his were saturatee.


I don't get that he was stabbed upside down. I'm just not seeing it.

On this regard I am taking the word of JonGalt who was a homicide investigator and she said that he was stabbed by someone in front of him but that the secomd stab wound was while he was lying down and that stab was made by someone kneeling at his head and thus the term upside down stabwound as comparred to the first one.

The report states the wounds are front to back, one is left to right, with no up or down deviation. Wound 2 is front to back, right to left with no up or down deviation. So what I'm saying is I cannot form an opinion on them. Don't forget the stab wound on his butt.

Yes, I believe that these were defensive wounds as he kicked up his legs. They make me unsure of which was the first wound.

It is back to front, right to left and downward. It's possible he did all three, kick his legs up and smack at his killer with his hands, flay his arms around. I do not believe he just died in his sleep. His eyes were open. I know many confessed killers are often surprised by how messy things get. Either the victim struggles more than they thought they would, or the amount of blood is unexpected, maybe both. I think Darlie believed that since the boys were asleep, they would just die. Then Devon wrestles or struggles with her, he at least wakes up, it's already not going as planned. Then of all things, Damon actually crawls away from her, even tries to pull himself up on the sofa. She can't believe it! Then still later, Damon starts moving again. He's looking around for help! John List said that when he shot his wife, Helen, he was surprised at the gore. He expected to be able to clean everything up so the children wouldn't see it as they came in. He couldn't get it all and so just stopped. Then he couldn't move his mother downstairs as planned. Then the children came home earlier than usual. The middle boy actually ran away from his father. So List managed to succeed, but it wasn't as easy and nice and neat as he thought it'd be.
The blood evidence: are you talking about Darlie's blood on his pillow? Did you see the thread I started about blood patterns? Her blood that's on his pillow is drops, or is it spray? I think it's drops. If so, then I think she returned to him at some point maybe holding the knife and her blood dripping off of it. Maybe she still had the knife in case he was still alive.
I have been very polite to you, it's Jane who's going to send me to the padded cell:banghead:

Yes indeed you have and I appreciate it and have tried to recipricocate. I do not think I spelled that word correctly. Sorry

 

[SnootyVixen]

You say you have studied this case for years...before Goody and beesy. I looked back to the beginning of your posts here and this is what you wrote.....................

I did read the transcripts and the books that I found since I did write before. Now I know that the pretend trial was talk about in the transcript. Also the nurse and doctor true words were in the book by C. Brown. Copied direct.

I am sorry I am so far behind........................


So which one is it? Were you new as you said...or been around a while?

Gee...let me think. Why don't you decide. This is a topic I have already discussed to death.

 

[SnootyVixen]

LOL...So why Snoots, did you try to hide who you really were? Also, did you really go see Darlie? If you did, why? Do you think her to be innocent?

Oh well I just did not know what would be my welcome. So many Darlie haters. Only me. Not a good situation. I just did not know Goody would be smart enough to out me.

 

[Goody]

Oh well I just did not know what would be my welcome. So many Darlie haters. Only me. Not a good situation. I just did not know Goody would be smart enough to out me.

O, I recognized some of your views a long time ago. Ask them. We have been PMing each other about who you might be for some time. :blowkiss:

 

[deanws]

Oh well I just did not know what would be my welcome. So many Darlie haters. Only me. Not a good situation. I just did not know Goody would be smart enough to out me.

Look Snoots, if you had come clean a while ago..then I wouldn't have bashed heads with you. I KNEW you were faking.:liar: So, now that you have come clean let's begin again. You do believe her to be innocent. Correct?

 

[deanws]

O, I recognized some of your views a long time ago. Ask them. We have been PMing each other about who you might be for some time. :blowkiss:

OMGosh yes! Almost from the second week. We all knew you were faking the language thing too. Don't try to lie again Snoots. You are no good at it.

 

[deanws]

Oh well I just did not know what would be my welcome. So many Darlie haters. Only me. Not a good situation. I just did not know Goody would be smart enough to out me.

Shoot...Goody, JDP, beesy. You didn't fool anyone.:laugh:

 

[deanws]

Gee...let me think. Why don't you decide. This is a topic I have already discussed to death.

ok. You :liar: .

 

[beesy]

O, don't worry, when Jeffie gets his nose bruised, he will stick pins in Goody. Or Mary. he likes picking on her, too.

Holy BLEEP! I leave ya'll alone for 4 hours and look what happens! Is it really Jeff!? The "ree in the pee" person! Oh how exciting! :woohoo:
It's always been him? I mean I knew the accent was BS, but wow I've talking to Jeff this whole time??? Wow! He's famous! Now, about this GJ Jane.

 

[beesy]

So if I were to do a reinact of Bevel then what would I do? Get the largest buther knife in the kitchen and put fresh blood on it and then what. Get down on my knees and raise it up for another stab and see what flies off the knife?
Am I to use what would be a "comfortable" stabbing position for my arm or am I to raise it so high and backwards that it is painful for me

I am so flattered to talk to you. I am in the presence of greatness! What's a comfortable position for stabbing anyway?

 

[beesy]

Re: post 313
After refreshing my memory with the report, I saw she did not list any bruises on his feet, so I was obviously wrong. That does not mean he did not raise his legs up and kick. I still think he did. That wound on his butt is downward. As for the upside down wound, I said I could not form any opinion on it. Whichever direction that boy was stabbed does not change the killer's ID. So Darlie crawled around. If he was freaking kicking at her, that makes a lot of sense to me.
You suggest where the bruises on his hands came from. I told you what I think. Also, does that change the killer? I don't think it does. I don't see that it matters in which position the killer was or if they struggled, we all know somebody killed him, right? So these bruises and carpet burns show that he fought, that's all.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Isn't that kind of hemorraging also found in strangulation cases. I don't know Latin well enough or remember enough of it to say.

 

[SnootyVixen]

I am so flattered to talk to you. I am in the presence of greatness! What's a comfortable position for stabbing anyway?

That I do not know. But an uncomfortable one would be to have to raise your arm so high and backwards that it was painful.

 

[SnootyVixen]

Isn't that kind of hemorraging also found in strangulation cases. I don't know Latin well enough or remember enough of it to say.

Petechial hemmorrhaging does occur in strangulation but not of this type nor in this area.