***Day 6 -Committal Hearing*** 18th,19,20th March 2013***

[Chief of Funtime]

Haven't read all the posts today .... they have been coming through like a tsunami, but my thoughts and particular query of all you guy sleuthers out there who go through the daily humdrum of a shave.

In the real explosive pictures today published at the time of the decision, can I talk about Picture 1. This one is were GBC is apparently not wearing a shirt. I see two primary wounds ... one to the left, and one slightly right of that which is broken into two parts. Wound to the left seems to move in a leftward direction. Ditto the top part of wound two, however, the bottom part of Wound 2 moves in another direction. In this picture, which I assume was taken "some hours later"shows he has considerable stubble. Does anyone know when this picture might have been taken and can all you shavers out there estimate from this picture, when he might have taken his morning shave.

Another picture, further down on the Courier Mail site shows a picture of the same wound site, but it also shows him in a shirt. I'm assuming this picture was taken much earlier ... soon after police arrived on the scene. I don't think there is the same degree of "stubble" seen in the picture described above. What I can see though is to the southern end of the major wounds some almost "dot"blood that I wondered might have been true shaving nicks. Could these have been caused because the wounds above them caused protrusions or depressions to the skin.

If the timing of the morning shave can be varied from what GBC suggests (i.e. earlier) , a further plus can be added to the prosecution case.

At the end of the day, I am concerned about how this apparently broke guy has been able to continue to retain the work of Peter Davis. He has to have funding sources some how. To even have come up with the money thus far seems unthinkable to me, but the party has just begun as far as the legal dollars needed is required. Is it possible Davis is doing a pro bono? Ditto for Mahony?

Hubby had a very good look at that photo and says there is no way he shaved that morning . I am sure I saw a post under the photo saying it was taken the day he reported her missing .

 

[Makara]

IMO The injuries appear like possible struggle injuries inflicted by someone being held down either in a strangulation or suffocation hold. Just my opinion.

I totally agree elmo. There is yellow bruising around the chest injury that is barely visible.

The colour of the bruise has been drained somewhat by the flash of the camera. IMO that chest injury was caused by either a foot or a hand/fist hitting the chest and causing an abrasion from the fabric of GBC's shirt onto his skin.

My opinion only and not that of Websleuths.

 

[BJsleuth]

If there was a photo of those chest injuries on G's computer, it would debunk the computer being wiped clean unless it was found by police using recovery software.

 

[Care Bear]

My first post after viewing this site for many months. My theory is that OW is GBC helper on the night in question. She is always there and quick to defend her brother when she does not even live down here. Maybe she is worried about what may come out and she maybe implicated? Perhaps she has a lot more at stake in this than just sticking up for her brother. Perhaps she too has a guilty conscience. She certainly knows a lot more than she is letting on. Also wasn't there a post on here some time ago about a suspicious blue car on the night of the 19th? Didn't OW have a blue car parked in GBC driveway on the 20th April as she was taking BC girls to school when first response police arrived? How did the BC's and OW know to come to the BC house on the morning of the 20th. When viewing all phone logs there is no communication from any of them to each other!!! I find this very strange. When he realised Allison was missing why did he not ring them and how come they knew to turn up to GBC house on the morning of the 20th to assist GBC? They must have all been up brainstorming a plan all night......in between disposing of a body

 

[possumheart]

In addition to the experts that Danny Boyle has engaged, I think it would be wise to engage the opinion of applied linguists. For example, when OW says "I still believe he is innocent"" ... to me, the word ""still"has important meaning. A smart applied linguist could research the normal "spoken patterns"of a particular person and compare them with the "spoken patterns"" of a person under duration.

I have a communications degree with a linguistics major. I have to look at more of her speech patterns. G's have been evasive obviously. I think O is close to exhaustion. Hopefully now she can go home to her comfort zone. She may be living on adrenalin but she needs to stop. Saying 'still' becomes like a foot stomp. Like a slow motion tantrum. She's reverting to her lizard brain.

 

[Perthgirl62]

Hubby had a very good look at that photo and says there is no way he shaved that morning . I am sure I saw a post under the photo saying it was taken the day he reported her missing .

According to the forensic report some were taken the first day (head shots) the others were taken the next day at the police station.

 

[Makara]

If there was a photo of those chest injuries on G's computer, it would debunk the computer being wiped clean unless it was found by police using recovery software.

Hi BJsleuth,

From what I've read in the forensic computer analyst's affidavit, I don't believe that the computer hard drives were wiped at all. In regard to the photo of GBC's torso, it wasn't stated in the affidavit that it showed any injuries at all. It was a 'selfie' of GBC displaying his chest from the neck down. This photo was among other photos of school sports etc. and was possibly taken at the cross country event on Thursday 19 April. Hopefully this particular photo will be elaborated on more fully at the trial. :twocents:

 

[Onlyone]

So glad you caught up, I was waiting to see what you would say about the photos. One thought crossed my mind - I think he shaved over the scratches on his face to try & disguise them. I wonder if he did the same with his chest & if under the abrasion there were tell tale nail crescents.

OK - I have FINALLY caught up with the threads! And what a great job everyone has been doing - a lot of very pertinent and insightful comments from all angles.

Now, I've just had a look at those photos (well, the five that I found at Marly's link anyway), and for whatever it's worth, my impressions are as follows:

1. Face - fingernail scratches/gouges. No question. Definitely NOT shaving-related.

2. Left side of neck lower down - same: fingernails, either through material (eg shirt) or last gasp with little strength left

3. Right axilla (armpit) - looks to me like material or strapping has rubbed or abraded that area, much as a very heavy backpack strap would. One possibility is that somebody was grabbing him by the shirt and gave it a good old heave-ho up under the armpit - like a violent wedgie under the arm but pulling the shirt up and over at the same time.

4. Left front chest - not so sure just WHAT to make of that one. I have seen abrasions like that from impact through material, or possibly by rubbing with something abrasive. But - and I hate to say this - I have also seen that sort of abrasion/rash appearance in people who HAVE scratched themselves silly after eg sandfly bites or other intense itch. I have even seen one person who had rubbed his skin to look almost identical to that lesion on GBC's left chest by scratching an intense itch with a hairbrush. It was on the patient's leg, and resulted in an ulcer that took months to heal up after it got infected. Not clean things, those hair brushes! So my impression on that lesion is inconclusive, I'd have to say. The other thing that can look like that is a VERY severe shaving rash.... Maybe Allison attacked him with his vicious razor? (sorry - tongue in cheek comment there)

5. The yellowing bruise on the front of his chest - that looks several days old - as in - MANY days (7-10 days perhaps?) so could have resulted from an earlier fight, a kick, or even horseplay with the kids. Or falling onto something - eg a bedpost...? But it certainly seems several days older than the more acute abrasions and scratches.

His face does have the sort of skin that would result in nicks and scratches from shaving with a razor (as opposed to electric shaver) BUT those nicks would in the main be punctate - like the tops taken off little skin bumps etc. NOTHING at all like those fingernail scratches - calling them for what I'm convinced those are.

So - don't know how much value my impressions are, given that various pathologists and forensic experts have examined these in detail already, but these thoughts are just what come to mind on my first sight of the pictures.

 

[BJsleuth]

I'm not convinced that a random stranger did it. She wasn't robbed - her purse was at home. The autopsy says there was no evidence of sexual assault. Unless it was an accident (remember the earlier posts about Allison being hit by a car in the park?) But why take her to Kholo? Hanging around to do that increases the chance of getting caught, I think they eould have just hightailed it. What reason was there for someone else to murder her? G has the scratches (defensive wounds). IMO

 

[BJsleuth]

Hi BJsleuth,

It wasn't stated in the affidavit that the photo of GBC found on his computer showed any injuries at all. It was a 'selfie' of GBC displaying his chest from the neck down. This photo was among other photos of school sports etc. and was possibly taken at the cross country event on Thursday 19 April. Hopefully this particular photo will be elaborated on more fully at the trial. :twocents:

Ahh. Thanks Makara. That's a bit odd then.

 

[marlywings]

March 21, 2013

AFTER six days sitting out of sight in the corner of a court dock, Gerard Baden-Clay rose to his feet, stepped forward and told the public he did not kill his wife.
He would have done so behind the protective screen of the wood panelled wall that had kept him hidden throughout the proceedings, but for the intervention of Chief Magistrate Brendan Butler.

"Mr Baden-Clay, could you please stand up?" the judge asked.

"Would you stand forward a bit more? I ask you whether you wish to say anything in answer to the charges."

Baden-Clay replied with six words.

"I am not guilty, your honour," he said.

The two-week committal ended yesterday when Judge Butler found there was enough evidence to potentially secure a conviction.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-i-am-not-guilty/story-e6freoof-1226602014708

 

[Makara]

My first post after viewing this site for many months. My theory is that OW is GBC helper on the night in question. She is always there and quick to defend her brother when she does not even live down here. Maybe she is worried about what may come out and she maybe implicated? Perhaps she has a lot more at stake in this than just sticking up for her brother. Perhaps she too has a guilty conscience. She certainly knows a lot more than she is letting on. Also wasn't there a post on here some time ago about a suspicious blue car on the night of the 19th? Didn't OW have a blue car parked in GBC driveway on the 20th April as she was taking BC girls to school when first response police arrived? How did the BC's and OW know to come to the BC house on the morning of the 20th. When viewing all phone logs there is no communication from any of them to each other!!! I find this very strange. When he realised Allison was missing why did he not ring them and how come they knew to turn up to GBC house on the morning of the 20th to assist GBC? They must have all been up brainstorming a plan all night......in between disposing of a body

Welcome Care Bear. There was indeed a huge amount of communication by phone between GBC, OW and NBC on the morning of the 20 April. :twocents:

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I also believe that he has tried to cover up his injuries by deliberately cutting his face with the razor, note the small knicks. And scratching himself stupid in the other places. He has just made it look worse and not particularly concealed the original trauma.

I agree.. you can see the smaller 'superficial' scratches to the lower left of the big gouge/scratches (on the face).. I think these are the marks referred to by one of the drs- I think, as being more consistent with a razor cut. i think they were deliberately done, to go with his story of the razor causing the larger injuries.. however he failed miserably in producing a convincing story on it to pretty much anyone who can see.. IMO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I am way older than GBC (by 15 years). There have been times when I have given my skin a quite vigourous scratch and end up with the appearance of "minature blood blisters"which is just how one of his ""wounds"appear. I can't recall that happening at his "skin age"though. Where is Dr Watson when we need him?

I have to say it is possible to do.. I have also done it- many a time when I have had mosquito bites for one thing.. age has nothing to do with it- younger skin also can do it. Have to say though in regards to a caterpillar... scratching it with those hairs embedded in the skin..does not help..

 

[KG1]

Thanks!! Point 2. I tend to think (like Doc) that it could have been by someone pulling his shirt back strongly and making it really tight around the armpit, but I cannot workout how it could have been Allison pulling? Unless is was during a physical argument in which she pulled him back while he is walking away from her. A mystery.

Could GBC have been leaning over the back of a couch, trying to restrain Allison as she tried to move away. If he was holding part of her and she was struggling away, this would pull him forward, possibly from the back of a couch. Just my thoughts.

 

[KG1]

Thank you to all posters, court attendees, twitter posters and not forgetting our Marly Wizz, for all the information, comments, theories and good sleuthing. I feel so sad for Allison's family and her children. It has now been confirmed by the committal that there is a strong possibility that a father will be convicted of the murder of the mother of his children. What a terrible tragic legacy for those totally innocent little girls.

 

[KG1]

How do we feel about reading the pastor's early post from last year now? It was posted just after Allison's body was identified, but before the arrest.


Well it has been confirmed. Our darling Allison has died. We love her so much and can scarcely believe that her gentle, loving life has come to an end! Our house is full of deep grief and abounding love. We are doing all that we can to support those around us, especially Gerard and their beautiful girls who are heartbroken. We are "struck down but not destroyed" (2 Cor 4:9).

Precious friends on ...another matter you need to be aware that the media are glorying in the most revolting and salacious gossip. They seem determined to do all possible to damage and destroy. They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family - despite their "crocodile tears" for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come. Please do not put your trust in what you read and do not lose faith at this time. We have decided not to speak publicly to the media and to grieve in private. We may pay the price for this in the "court" of public opinion. We have been so blessed by the unconditional love, support and prayer of family, friends and loving strangers. We see you as God's hands and feet... We thank you from the depth of our hearts!

 

[marlywings]

1. Does anyone know if Allison's girls were questioned by police, surely if people in neighbouring properties heard "blood curdling screams" coming from the BC house at least one of the 3 girls heard something?

2. When TM said she won't be made feel guilty for Allison being missing I truly believe she thought she was talking about a wife taking off and giving her husband something to think about, I really don't think she anticipate the horrible outcome when she made that comment. Of course she must feel guilt, anyone who knew about the affair would feel guilt, anyone who knew Allison was struggling within her marriage would feel guilt. Everyone would be asking themselves "what could I have done to prevent Allison's murder"

All moo, obviously.

I don't know anything. My opinions of TM is very different to those who don't know her personally, though from past experience here defending her in any way only provokes more anger against her.

I was going to bypass the above about TM from earlier today but it just goes against all I believe in. I can't for half a second sit here & read of praises being sung for someone who has no morals whatsoever!

Therefore, I think, TM should be the one to be asking herself "what could I have done to prevent Allison's murder"

1. not become hooked up with Allison's husband
2. not tell countless lies to the world about that relationship so that it survives for her own selfish reasons.
3. not sleep with the husband at Allison's home....not only once ..but twice!! Despite TM's tacky "thoughts" on what the home looked like...it was Allison's & her babies home....their castle!!

They say love is blind...but it sure as heck ain't so blind that you lose all vision. TM is 40 something...she's no starry eyed teenager...she went straight in with both eyes open.

She may not have been directly involved with the murder of Allison but, in my opinion, she is a part of the reason it occurred. And she may still be involved in some way, time will tell!

 

[CaseClosed]

It's funny you should say that. Reading the statements to police, it sounded to me like he was trying to garner a little bit of sympathy with his comments about the affair and how she kept tabs on him, didn't trust him, organised marriage counseling which he attended twice, setting aside 15 minutes a night to talk about the affair so it didn't drag on. How he had to get the girls ready for school. Then he switches to tooting his horn how he renovated that house. There was something about all that which bothered me but I can't put my finger on it. IMO

IMO he was trying to paint himself as the supportive husband, the one that helped poor depressed Allison with everything, the one that co-operated with whatever she needed to be happy, blah blah blah ... the perfect husband NOT! I agree, he did try and paint her as controlling of his every move.

 

[marlywings]

The photos that were released today, in my opinion, are truly sickening as they show what was most likely the very last minutes of Allison's life...which she fought to hold onto.

So I''m calling all angels to hold her a little tighter tonight. And I thank God Allison's babies are safe in the arms of the Dickies.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRUErh47sao"]Jane Siberry & KD Lang - Calling All Angels - YouTube[/ame]