DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #4

[sloane7777]

re: landfill search

you're looking at landfills that are extremely hazardous due to methane, but also due to depth (15 feet) - and rarely result in recoveries, even if we had the resources, which we don't.

Thank you.

End of presser

Is it just me . or does ANYONE see something wrong with this statement= like please go ahead and use a landfill we wont bother to look we dont have the resources!!!!!!

 

[I'm Lahoma]

Originally Posted by SilkySifaka View Post
snipped and bolded by me (BBM). This is what I have tried to get across in the few posts i have made on this case (followed diligently though).

It is a whole different mindset and lifestyle with some, one that we won't understand unless someone like you explains it in easy terms. They don't think they are bad mothers or in fact very different from people around them (and they aren't very different from people around them because water finds its own level and it can start in childhood as far as what is normal and what is not. i.e having family or friends who have been in jail a few times is a norm for some and they know them as decent or nice people in a lot of cases, just thieves or fighters or have bad tempers etc. they dont realize most of the world doesn't think or live that way)

which is why i don't necessarily think the family KNEW anything, even if mom did - and I could see a situation like you described with the woman in your case. Often these women are groomed as much as the children are, made dependent and believe in the poi's who take their children.

It can be generational knowledge too of a what is "normal".

Well said, SilkySifaka, your post is spot-on!

As for what the family knew, I'm not sure. They are a shady bunch for sure, IMO, but we can't really say what they knew. SY could have been lying to them, so yes, it is possible that they don't really know "the truth," whatever that truth is.

I do think that SY knows more than what she has said. And, I believe others, outside the family, know something. SOMEBODY knows SOMETHING, and they need to start talking!!!

WHERE is Relisha?!

I like to call it a diminished capacity. Truly a disconnect in her brain.

 

[Solitaryone]

I think it's people who were seen on hotel surveillance footage on 3/19, those 3 other people in the hotel room with KT and his wife. Just my hunch. In any case, I am anxious for them to release the pictures! Maybe we can truly do something to help find Relisha!

That is what I think too!

 

[shadow of my mind]

Missed the news conference. I'm so glad to be a part of this group and know that if I miss something it's okay. Because not just one, but several of you are always sure to post updates. :tyou: I have been so busy. I spent numerous hours last night and so far today digging :findinglink:

Finally, I have found the information about the Richmond round trip on March 19. The info was reported early on by Channel 4 NBC Washington News, on the evening of March 26. References to this information can be found on the very first thread, on pages 30-32, posts 728, 739, 784, and 788.

Unfortunately, due to updating by NBC Washington, the video links that contained this information are now gone. Original post containing these links was page 32, post 784. So I will be leaving that info on the timeline and making a note regarding where the information came from.

On another note, there are TWO more things that needs to be cleared up on the timeline.
1) Has anyone seen an actual DATE regarding the cell pings in the Gilpin Court area? Now that we know he was in Richmond both the 19th and the 20th it could have been either one of those days, or both, or neither. The information I have gives no date, just states that he made calls from that area from his cell phone.

2) Regarding the latest info we received after his body was found we know that he used his bank card to pay for parking on 3/18 in the DC area. And then there was the statement about "and used the account, associated with his Gmail address, again on March 21 at 3:12 a.m." http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...7d38aa-b8d1-11e3-9a05-c739f29ccb08_story.html

Some bank cards are tied into an email address if you get those prepaid things that are offered online. Do we know if they mean he used the bank card again on the 21st? Or did he access his email? Because LE did file warrants with Google for his email records.

As soon as we can clear these two issues up, if we can, I'll post the timeline again and alert a mod to do what they do as far as getting it updated over in the media/timeline thread. :seeya:

Took me awhile but here is the article about phone pings from Gilpin court.

Source: http://wtvr.com/2014/03/29/sources-dc-girls-accused-abductors-phone-pinged-to-gilpin-court/

and great job on keeping up with the time line. :blowkiss:

 

[Just K]

2hope: We're on the same page. After 7 years following the Trenton Duckett case and three plus years on the Anthony cases, I tried to stay away from this case. But, with it being in my back yard, and throw in the Richmond angle and I couldn't ignore it.

But, I am furious about what has happened to Relisha and how it happened.
Single struggling parents can buy really nice generic products, go without luxuries, ask friends and family to help with babysitting, and skimp and try to save. They can go to social services and school counselors who will help to coordinate all those free services.

I am certain that SY knows how to work the system. IMO, she just couldn't be bothered enough to develop herself in any way in order to benefit her children.
I too am disgusted as I am sure many of her peers are as well.

She is a drain on society... And needs to lose her children and her public and private assistance. She's been given enough and does not appreciate all the chances and opportunities that she had at her disposal. And, don't lock her up just cut her off...after her kids are removed from her custodîal care.

 

[popsicle]

Shomari Stone Live news4- mother hopes these images will help find her daughter.

 

[kimi_SFC]

That's the theory I'm leaning towards as well.


Because I'm a computer nerd, this particular part of a larger WaPo article stands out (BBM):


I mentioned above that Google Wallet is the particular service that one uses to link a card to a Gmail account. It's convenient to use when paying for things in a store, but it is also a way that you can send/receive money between individuals. Google explains how that works here:

Send and receive money with Gmail and Google Wallet
​

I'm curious if Kahlil was receiving or sending money via Gmail/Wallet in exchange for some of his shady dealings. Another possibility is that he has at least one Android device, and merely had his bank account linked to the Gmail account that is his primary account in his Android phone so that he could purchase apps in the Android app store.

It's also (I think) important to note that the part of the quote above that states "Internet protocol addresses that are unique to each device" is factually incorrect. There are addresses that are unique to the networking hardware of each device, but they are referred to as "MAC addresses" and they would not be visible to Google.

An IP address is not unique to any particular device, though it can only be in use by one device at a time. However, from Google's logs, they will see the IP address of whatever device was used to connect to their servers, which could be a proxy server or gateway that his actual device was sitting behind. That can lead them to a lot of information, such as whether or not these accesses were most likely made from a computer or a mobile device, if he had multiple mobile devices on different carriers, and possibly even be used to track Tatum's whereabouts if some of those logins came from, for example, a hotel or Starbucks public wifi hotspot.

Maybe just nerdy rambling, but it could be something?

With all due respect, an IP address can also be assigned to your wireless router, and multiple devices can be logged on simultaneously. MAC addresses are assigned to individual devices, but they ARE accessible, by google, and LE.

There is a current case involving the FBI regarding this subject. However the redacted affidavit contains such disturbing details, I can't link it. The complaintant was able to enlist the FBI's help after receiving these messages on a social networking site - and the MAC address was traced.

Besides, with a subpoena, and the inherent make-up of the OSI model, this makes sense. You'd be surprised how much data and metadata are stored, ESPECIALLY by google, aka "Scroogled."

Do a search on "badgerherald.com FBI Special Agent Malia Pereira Ragsdale" if you want to find the affidavit PDF.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Thank you, kimi_SFC for this ^ and for the JVM and NG transcriptions. I really appreciate all of your hard work, because honestly I couldn't stomach 2 hours of watching that duo!

This is actually the first video in this case (except for the pressers and a few seconds of SY's raw footage) that I've been able to watch in its entirety... and, oh my, watching that baby dancing her lil' heart out, so full of life... :tears:

Also, I meant to reply earlier on your post when you said you felt you had let us, and Relisha, down because you didn't finish the transcripts last night. You did NOT let us down! You worked on the transcripts until you couldn't work anymore and you fell asleep...you gave it your all, and who could ask for more? Keep up the great work!!!

WHERE IS RELISHA?!

:tears:
:loveyou:



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[Just K]

On my long list of complaints about SY I forgot to add:
She could have gotten roommates to cut down on expenses, too.
On one of many of her Facebook pics, friends even admonished her for not getting help for one of the babies...for what looks like a herniated belly button!

This creature just makes my blood boil...

 

[AndiLA]

No, he was back in the Washington area well before 10pm on the 19th. We know that as fact because the Chief has already stated the Red Roof Inn timeline and she stated that Tatum, his wife, and three others checked in at 10:04pm on March 19.

On March 20 he left the room around 6am. Sometime later his truck was spotted in the metro area of Richmond.

So he definitely made two trips in two days to Richmond. That's a least a 2 1/2 hour drive IIRC. Something, or someone, in Richmond is VERY important in this case. JMO



Yes she did. I really like her! She keeps a lot of things close to her vest, but what she does release she is very clear.

Richmond is about 1 hour 45 min-2 hours from here (DC). But Chief Lanier said she's confident he didn't leave the region, and Richmond is not considered DC region/metro since it's over 100 miles away. So, I'm thinking he didn't go to Richmond.

 

[AndiLA]

BUT, someone had one of his phones in Gilpin Court and drove that GmC to Richmond. IMO, it's one of the three others from the Days Inn.

I think the phone traveling to Richmond was a red herring. I don't think KT went with his phone to Richmond, based on the PC today. :twocents:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Richmond is about 1 hour 45 min-2 hours from here (DC). But Chief Lanier said she's confident he didn't leave the region, and Richmond is not considered DC region/metro since it's over 100 miles away. So, I'm thinking he didn't go to Richmond.

Thanks. I haven't seen the presser info yet.

 

[PLT]

Yesterday it occurred to me KT could've been in the park on 3/2 for two hours waiting for whoever he was selling Relisha too.

I'm so worried about Relisha. I hope whoever has her at this time is scared s**tless due to the non stop media on her and drops her off some place public. 19 days is a long time though. Way to much time to move her around and give her to other people.

I can't even think about it

One thing that crossed my mind when thinking of SY, we heard she grew up in foster care so I wonder if she were molested/abused by older men when she was a child. No excuse for her or the Grandma but many abused people have a hard time breaking the cycle.

I thought the same and posted it a few threads ago but at the time - I questioned the purchase of the shovel/lime/trash bags. If he was selling her who were those items for...his wife? My problem with that is ...if they were intended to bury AT that means he was planning WAY ahead to kill her and I think he wouldn't have shot her in the hotel room and then have his brother-in-law to pick him up at 6 am. That murder seemed very hostile and unplanned. Some reports say she was going to leave him so maybe that angered her or the Relisha situation.

 

[popsicle]

Bruce Leshan ‏@BruceLeshan
In the days after #RelishaRudd's disappeared, mom and mom's boyfriend posted pix w wads of cash on Facebook. @wusa9 pic.twitter.com/8p0OlWOfj2

(wonder how they explained those fifties)


Shomari Stone ‏@shomaristone 2m
I told #RelishaRudd's mom DCPD will release new images of people they want to talk to. She: "hopes images help find her" @nbcwashington

 

[EmiLove832]

Bruce Leshan ‏@BruceLeshan
In the days after #RelishaRudd's disappeared, mom and mom's boyfriend posted pix w wads of cash on Facebook. @wusa9 pic.twitter.com/8p0OlWOfj2


Shomari Stone ‏@shomaristone 2m
I told #RelishaRudd's mom DCPD will release new images of people they want to talk to. She: "hopes images help find her" @nbcwashington

Yesss! I'm so happy to see the media making the photos known to everyone that hasn't seen the FB accounts.

 

[PLT]

I think this is going to go much much deeper than just Tatum.

Definitely. A few of us were discussing this in the Parking Lot and one WS member hit upon a gem but we stopped digging/discussing in that direction. I think it will all start unraveling. KT and his team were probably small members of a bigger ring spanning outside the DC area. I would love to know when the passports were obtained and who they were for (KT/AT?) and what countries he visited on those passports if any.

 

[mpnola]

Richmond is about 1 hour 45 min-2 hours from here (DC). But Chief Lanier said she's confident he didn't leave the region, and Richmond is not considered DC region/metro since it's over 100 miles away. So, I'm thinking he didn't go to Richmond.

No, that's not what she said, which is why I mentioned it earlier in the thread. She said he did not leave the area EXCEPT those times that she already discussed earlier- aka, Richmond, I believe. I don't know if we can get a direct transcript of that part of the presser, but that is why I mentioned it. To leave out the except part leaves out a big factor.

 

[Just K]

I think the phone traveling to Richmond was a red herring. I don't think KT went with his phone to Richmond, based on the PC today. :twocents:

Right, that's what I've been thinking the whole time. Someone else took that phone and truck to Richmond. That's why I've been trying to get clarity on the dates. But, did that phone then travel on to Atlanta?

 

[Bravo]

Bruce Leshan ‏@BruceLeshan
In the days after #RelishaRudd's disappeared, mom and mom's boyfriend posted pix w wads of cash on Facebook. @wusa9 pic.twitter.com/8p0OlWOfj2

(wonder how they explained those fifties)


Shomari Stone ‏@shomaristone 2m
I told #RelishaRudd's mom DCPD will release new images of people they want to talk to. She: "hopes images help find her" @nbcwashington

Bothered me from the get go seeing that Pic. Not reading anything into it but the $ strewn across the crotch area really really bugs me :banghead:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Bruce Leshan ‏@BruceLeshan
In the days after #RelishaRudd's disappeared, mom and mom's boyfriend posted pix w wads of cash on Facebook. @wusa9 pic.twitter.com/8p0OlWOfj2

(wonder how they explained those fifties)

Could the money have been from a tax refund?