DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #4

[ISPYprivateeye]

I didn't see this. Was it before the murder and suicide?

Her mother stated on JVM that she had no idea why SY would tell people RR was with her and the aunt before she went missing. (Doesn't mean anything at this point because we don't know who is telling the truth.)

:wagon:

Yes this was before the murder/suicide, I'll find it. You are absolutely right because they all are liars.

 

[ISPYprivateeye]

To make amends for my stupidity in posting a comment (above) in what I now realize is the media thread, I've transcribed the video. Feel free to copy, cut and share etc.

SS - Shomari Stone, reporter.
SY: Shamika Young, Relisha's mom.

From NBC video, here: http://www.nbcwashington.com/video/...nterview-With-Relisha-Rudd-s-Mother/252941701

SS: How are you feeling right now?

SY:Staying strong, having a lot of faith - that's all I can feel. I'm hurting. I might not be showing signs that I'm hurt but yes, indeed-dy I'm hurt, deep down inside. Nobody ain't going to be able to feel that and nobody ain't going to be able to put their feeling there, in my shoes.
Even if they did have a daughter, and they lost a daughter, ain't nobody gonna be able to feel the pain that I'm feeling right now.

SS: The police chief said, quote, 'We cannot ignore the possibility that he may have killed her.'

SY: (Long pause) That got my head messed up. But umm...I-I don't even know what to say on that. There's a lot of things scrambling in my head but I am gonna say the public cannot fault me at this, umm, I thought and I thought I could have trusted in my mother and my sister. You know there's things that the public don't know for instance;
One, that my mother told me that this man told her that if anything happened to him and his wife today or tomorrow, my daughter would be safe. What does that mean?

SS: Do you still believe your daughter is alive?

SY: Yes, I still believe that.

SS: Why?

SY: It's all about the faith, and it's all about leaving it in God's hands. As long as these prayers are going out all night, everyday, and nonstop, it's all in the Man's hands above us. And that's one thing that Man above us don't play with - it's fools and babies. And my 8 year old daughter, she is a baby. So that's something he don't play with.

SS: Now I have to ask this just so you can set the record straight; do you feel in anyway responsible for your daughter's disappearance?

SY: No, I don't feel responsible. Why I don't feel responsible because she was in the care of my mother and my sister, that's why I don't feel responsible.

SS: In all fairness, some say you refused to fill out a missing person's report. Is that true?

SY: We're gonna get that clear - no, that's not true. They never asked me to issue out a missing person's report.

SS: For the -when your daughter was missing for three weeks, did you say to yourself, where is she, is she with Tatum, did you call the school? Did anything come to mind during that period of time?

SY: I wasn't under the impression that she - that she was missing. I was under the impression that she was still at my sister's house, where I left her. And under the care of my mother.

SS: Some people would say, why didn't you call police if your daughter was missing?

SY: I didn't want to lose my other three kids. That's why I didn't call the police.

SS: If Khalil Tatum is watching this right now, what would you say to him? You can look at the camera .

SY: (addresses camera) What would I say to you? - I have a lot of questions to ask you and I want you to answer them properly. And give me the correct answers.

SS: Why did you trust him?

SY: He didn't look like that type of person. He looked like a good person. The way he played with everybody kids; the way he did his job, when he needed to do his job, buffing them floors; he didn't look like an intimidized?? person, he really didn't.

SS: Now, I talked to a lot of parents with this story and some say they would not let a grown man spend time with their daughter.

SY: That's why everyone is getting their confused there. I didn't actually let this man - or give this man - my daughter.

SS: Then what did you do?

SY: I took her to my sister's house and had her in my sister's and my mother's care. That's exactly what I did.

SS: Anything else you wanna add?....Suppose your daughter's watching this? What would you say to her?

SY: If my daughter is watching this right now, I would say, I love you and come back home (crying) to your mother safely and unharmed and I love you ..and when you do return back and if you do return back unharmed , you will never EVER go with anybody else. You will be next to my side at all times. (video appears to have an edit here)
I gotta stay strong. I gotta. It's okay to cry people, it's okay. I'm just hurt but I just gotta stay strong and have my faith (crying)......pause

SS: Are you a good mom?

SY: I'm a helluva good mother. And I am going to say this; there's kids out here that wish they had a mother like me. 'Cos some of these parents don't support their kids like they're supposed to. So it's kids out there who wish they had a mother that was doing the things that I was doing for my childrens, that would do for them.

SS: There's a report that you're under investigation for obstruction of justice.

SY: I don't even know what that is.

SS: (after interview ends) And tonight something interesting to note, Shamika tells me that Relisha was in the care of Shamika's mother and sister at the time of her disappearance. Well, I called the mother and sister and they say that's absolutely not true. Now, one thing seems to be clear - they all hope that Relisha Rudd is alive - and they want Tatum, behind bars.

Here is the interview with SY

 

[SavvyRose]

Yes. I know about the divorce papers and I questioned this earlier when I put up that post where I divided what was said and done by what the Detective outlined in the warrant of each witness.



However, Witness Two may not be lying about her knowledge of the relationship. AT WAS still with KT over a month after the papers were filed. We don't know what was stated by AT during that time period leading up to her murder. She had been married to the man for 24 years and we have no clue what the disconnect was to spur the divorce (other than we can speculate it could have to do with RR and the timing of her being given to him).


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Snipped by me:
Just want to add that when I ended my 19 year marriage, my husband was at fault and I made him file to save me the filing fees ... This could be why he filed but why witness stated she was the one contemplating ending it. Just a possibility.


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[FindingTheMissing]

This is my first post: I have been following this case since day one and one thing that has been sitting with me is a comment made by SY in the interview she did. I wonder what she meant by this comment:


""SY: (Long pause) That got my head messed up. But umm...I-I don't even know what to say on that. There's a lot of things scrambling in my head but I am gonna say the public cannot fault me at this, umm, I thought and I thought I could have trusted in my mother and my sister. You know there's things that the public don't know for instance;
One, that my mother told me that this man told her that if anything happened to him and his wife today or tomorrow, my daughter would be safe. What does that mean?""

So KT told SY mother that if anything happens to him or his wife RR would be safe??

Every time I listen to this interview I don't hear "safe" I hear "set". As much as I can't stand to hear her, I might have to go back and listen again. I'm 99.8% sure that she says "set" though.

I didn't see this. Was it before the murder and suicide?

Her mother stated on JVM that she had no idea why SY would tell people RR was with her and the aunt before she went missing. (Doesn't mean anything at this point because we don't know who is telling the truth.)

:wagon:

It was said in the "RAW interview" that one of the reporters did with SY. I think Shomari Stone. I"ll see if I can find the link. I have it, it's just that I have pretty much every link there has been so give me a few to locate it and I'll post it.

ETA: ISPY just posted it above

 

[ISPYprivateeye]

Also here is a link that shows AT has a criminal record in MD. I'm sorry if you seen this, still new to this!
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp

 

[FindingTheMissing]

I don't understand where people are getting that KT and his wife AT had been married 24 years? Is there a link for that? His facebook page lists his marriage as a life event that happened on December 30, 2011. That would make them married a little over 2 years, not 24 years. The marriage date would be 2 months after he was released from jail. Can someone show me a link proving a marriage of 24 years for KT and AT?

We covered this already, way back on the first thread I believe. Facebook dates really have no significance. When you add something as an event, and don't edit the date, it posts as the date you added it. If you're on his facebook you should see his pictures then correct? Read the comments, it's there. Also has been stated over and over in MSM.

ETA: Sorry, had to edit this because it sounds snippy. Wasn't meaning to be snippy. It's just that the link to prove that to you would be posting from FB... which we cannot do.

 

[paintedred]

I don't understand where people are getting that KT and his wife AT had been married 24 years? Is there a link for that? His facebook page lists his marriage as a life event that happened on December 30, 2011. That would make them married a little over 2 years, not 24 years. The marriage date would be 2 months after he was released from jail. Can someone show me a link proving a marriage of 24 years for KT and AT?

They definitely were married for many years, on photos on KT profile and AT they both say so and on one of AT profiles (might be under her maiden name, K) she has the old wedding pics from those days to prove it. They added that date on one profile but it doesn't mean the date they were married. You have to see their social media to get the full info really, or find a lawful link regarding them in the news or the divorce papers. Even one of her children commented on the marriage length.

 

[mysteriew]

What I keep going back to here is the "WHY". I can guess that KT killed AT because she was a risk to him and knew too much. She may have threatened him with going to police about what she knew. But if he planned to harm Relisha when he bought those supplies - I can't understand why. Producing the child for school officials at that point would have quieted that fire. Even if the timing was during when he was caught with impersonating a doctor - he could have probably lied his way out of that saying it wasn't him on the phone . And even if he could not - I doubt the punishment would be so great to resort to murder??? I feel something went awry with setup he had with Relisha - something became a threat to him. Maybe she was starting to protest or he felt she would tell authorities. Maybe AT was a catalyst and started saying she was going to blow the whistle.

If I go along with assuming Relisha was harmed in early March - I just don't get what would drive him to do that even before authorities were on his case.

Agree with most of your post. I believe their is a good chance that Relisha is alive. But the purchase of the lime kinda throws me some.

If he took her for abuse, there is a good chance he would get by with it as long as she is alive. If he planned to kill her it would make more sense for him to leave her with her mother and entice her away secretly. Then there would be less evidence of him being connected to her disappearance. So the fact that he groomed her, befriended her mother and got mothers permission seems to me the intent was for personal use or ongoing profit (sorry). Unless he was confident of the mothers cooperation for further sale. I definately don't think he even considered that anyone else would raise an alarm.

The possibility exists that she died accidently during the abuse. But I also believe the possibility exists that he 'bought' her then 'resold' her.

 

[ISPYprivateeye]

Oops still new to this... Darn iphone!

 

[ISPYprivateeye]

Every time I listen to this interview I don't hear "safe" I hear "set". As much as I can't stand to hear her, I might have to go back and listen again. I'm 99.8% sure that she says "set" though.



It was said in the "RAW interview" that one of the reporters did with SY. I think Shomari Stone. I"ll see if I can find the link. I have it, it's just that I have pretty much every link there has been so give me a few to locate it and I'll post it.

ETA: ISPY just posted it above [/

I also thought she said "set"until I read it, even if she said "set" then why would RR be set if something happened to him or/and his wife? He isn't the bio father so how could RR perhaps be set/beneficiary?! And with his said "safe" then Where is RR?!

 

[FindingTheMissing]

Every time I listen to this interview I don't hear "safe" I hear "set". As much as I can't stand to hear her, I might have to go back and listen again. I'm 99.8% sure that she says "set"


I found and posted it! I also thought she said "set"until I read it, even if she said "set" then why would RR be set if something happened to him or/and his wife? He isn't the bio father so how could RR perhaps be set/beneficiary?! And with his said "safe" then Where is RR?!

You don't have to be a relative to be included in someone's will or be named a beneficiary. You can name anyone you want to be your heir.

But FWIW I don't believe that anyone said any such thing to SY. I'm pretty convinced it's just more of her BS to try to make someone else look responsible so she doesn't have to face the facts that SHE IS responsible, whether she wants to believe it or not.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...I was watching that video and SY does repeatedly claim she left RR with her mom and sister while they repeatedly deny it...Right?!

But then her mom says KT brings RR back to her house and drops off the bathing suit. Wouldn't this indicate KT was more than familiar with RR's grandmother and her house as being a drop off point? What if SY isn't lying about this?

 

[ISPYprivateeye]

You don't have to be a relative to be included in someone's will or be named a beneficiary. You can name anyone you want to be your heir.

But FWIW I don't believe that anyone said any such thing to SY. I'm pretty convinced it's just more of her BS to try to make someone else look responsible so she doesn't have to face the facts that SHE IS responsible, whether she wants to believe it or not.

Set or Safe they both don't make since for her to say but then again you are correct because her word can't be taken seriously!

 

[ISPYprivateeye]

Oops still new to this... Darn iphone!

Hmmm...I was watching that video and SY does repeatedly claim she left RR with her mom and sister while they repeatedly deny it...Right?!

But then her mom says KT brings RR back to her house and drops off the bathing suit. Wouldn't this indicate KT was more than familiar with RR's grandmother and her house as being a drop off point? What if SY isn't lying about this?

That's exactly what I have been thinking!! I wonder could she actually be telling the truth for just that statement only. No matter what she is responsible for RR.

 

[Irisha]

This is my first post: I have been following this case since day one and one thing that has been sitting with me is a comment made by SY in the interview she did. I wonder what she meant by this comment:


""SY: (Long pause) That got my head messed up. But umm...I-I don't even know what to say on that. There's a lot of things scrambling in my head but I am gonna say the public cannot fault me at this, umm, I thought and I thought I could have trusted in my mother and my sister. You know there's things that the public don't know for instance;
One, that my mother told me that this man told her that if anything happened to him and his wife today or tomorrow, my daughter would be safe. What does that mean?""

So KT told SY mother that if anything happens to him or his wife RR would be safe??

ok I admit I'm confused again............:tantrum:

SY stated Relisha was staying with her mother and 1 of her sisters. I don't recall for how long.

SY mother 1st stated she gave school? Dr.JanitorsTatums :floorlaughhone # for school absences.

SY mother stated she talked to Relisha the 19th? at 9:07 am. Did she inquire about why she wasn't in school? Why was she ok that the shelter janitor had her grandaughter for so long. Did she know Dr. Janitors wife?

SY mother states Relishas bathing suit was returned to her.Don't recall the date.

KT told SY mother that if anything happens to him or his wife RR would be safe? according to SY. And who think somethings going to happens so imminently(sp?) to say that?

:banghead: Why was SY in foster care as a child? Anyone know the answers, besides they are all :liar:

 

[2Hope4]

Hmmm...I was watching that video and SY does repeatedly claim she left RR with her mom and sister while they repeatedly deny it...Right?!

But then her mom says KT brings RR back to her house and drops off the bathing suit. Wouldn't this indicate KT was more than familiar with RR's grandmother and her house as being a drop off point? What if SY isn't lying about this?

In that March 1st video, Shamika as well as the kids say they are at aunt Ashley's. While Shamika won't be getting a mother of the year award from me, technically she might have a told a bit of truth. If the kids were at the aunts, and the grandma was there, and Shamika left before the kids did...well.... BUT... that doesn't excuse Shamika of responsibility because it seems she had allowed him to take Relisha many times in the past, and from what we know at this point, knew he would be coming back to pick up Relisha. Part of me wonders if he wasn't there while the video was being recorded, but at this point, we don't know.

I believe more than just Shamika and Tony knew where Relisha was living, and what was going on. Why did Tatum have Ashley's phone number?? Grandma Young/Turner stated he called Ashley's phone. The whole family must have had contact and knew him. IMO!

:jail: :moo:

 

[Annie1004]

I don't understand where people are getting that KT and his wife AT had been married 24 years? Is there a link for that? His facebook page lists his marriage as a life event that happened on December 30, 2011. That would make them married a little over 2 years, not 24 years. The marriage date would be 2 months after he was released from jail. Can someone show me a link proving a marriage of 24 years for KT and AT?

I can say that Andrea went by Andrea D. Tatum in 2003 (per court records). See post #814 that provides a link to the court.

I am sure it was stated officially they were married longer than what appears on KT's FB.

 

[Irisha]

Yes and I am thinking along those lines. Maybe she could not go to school or a doctor because questions would be asked and perhaps she was visibly injured. Otherwise I think KT would have let her go back to school just for the mere purpose of not rocking the boat.

or she threaten to tell:twocents: My heart hurts for Relisha.

 

[2Hope4]

I wonder what the snow days off were in that area? In one interview, one of the Grandmas was quoted as saying she asked about Relisha, and he said he was keeping her longer. They were out of school that day because it had snowed.

When the case first broke, it was claimed Feb.26th was when Relisha was given to Tatum. We then saw the hotel video from that day, and Grandma Young/Turner stated he had picked Relisha up that day to go to a pool party, and that's why they were at the hotel. BUT, we hadn't heard about a pool party until after the video was released. Then we hear about him buying her a bathing suit, and he brought the bathing suit back to the family. I believe March 1st is when the bathing suit was given to the family, no idea when FBI became of it. DNA testing should show if Relisha ever wore it, and if it was ever in pool water. BUT, at this point, I don't know if they'll test it!

Personally, there is no amount of money in the world that would make me give my child to any man. NONE! I've been without work, money, etc. but never homeless, and always had family to turn if I needed help. So I've not lived the same life as this family, nor the same environment. I'm NOT excusing the behaviors at all. I'm just stating I've never been in their situation, but I still can't imagine any amount of money clouding my judgement this much. I'd try to sell myself first.

 

[SCHMAE]

ok I admit I'm confused again............:tantrum:

SY stated Relisha was staying with her mother and 1 of her sisters. I don't recall for how long.

SY mother 1st stated she gave school? Dr.JanitorsTatums :floorlaughhone # for school absences.

SY mother stated she talked to Relisha the 19th? at 9:07 am. Did she inquire about why she wasn't in school? Why was she ok that the shelter janitor had her grandaughter for so long. Did she know Dr. Janitors wife?

SY mother states Relishas bathing suit was returned to her.Don't recall the date.

KT told SY mother that if anything happens to him or his wife RR would be safe? according to SY. And who think somethings going to happens so imminently(sp?) to say that?

:banghead: Why was SY in foster care as a child? Anyone know the answers, besides they are all :liar:

What ? Maybe he was already planning to kill his wife and thought if he got away with it and would be the grieving widower, then no one would wonder if Relisha was ok? Did that make sense ? It barely does to me.