DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #7

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  • #361
This might sound like a dumb question, but given the cast of characters I guess I will fit right in!!

If a minor is named as a beneficiary of a life insurance policy would the legal guardians have to be notified of the policy or is the minor just listed and then its dealt with if something happens to the policy owner.....Is anyone picking up what I am putting down?

No. You can name anyone you like as a beneficiary and they might not even know until you are dead.
 
  • #362
Interesting charges filed on 3/31. Hmmm, attempt thwarted by someone[/I], maybe. All in the midst of Relisha's disappearance. Good grief. So much diversion from finding Relisha. LE must feel as if Pandora's Box will never be closed again with this cast of characters. The BS is never-ending.


As interesting as it is - I cant make out what it is....but is def serious....and current. Can you make out any of the legal jargon? attempt thwarted? :banghead:
 
  • #363
I feel that these interviews have really expanded the realm of possibility as far as "what happened to Relisha"
1. She was sold, KT killed wife to ensure silence
2. She was killed accidentally/on purpose by KT, KT killed his wife as well.
3. She was injured during some type of abuse by a member of her family (AW, MTY, AY, SY) and wasn't given medical care, resulting in her death at some point, with a group cover up

Not sure how AT and KT's deaths connect in scenario #3...

I am thinking the same things. Sometimes I wonder if Relisha died at the hands of family and Tatum found out and fell into his feelings and killed AT because she had just filed for divorce. Maybe he felt like he had already lost everything. But that is kind of far fetched and although possible I think it's unlikely.

I think AT filed for divorce because she found out about him either abusing or killing Relisha. All witnesses say they were an extremely happy and loving couple who were crazy about each other. Something drastic must have happened for AT to suddenly file for divorce.
 
  • #364
KT is the one who filed for divorce.
 
  • #365
Feb 26

One of 2 different dates SY gives as the last time she saw Relisha.

March 1

Two of 2 different dates SY gives as the last time she saw Relisha.

KT checked into the hotel on NY ave alone and reserved the room for 2 days. Relisha was never seen at that hotel. (What time?)

Relisha was at AY's house and in the Instagram video.

AW and SY went to the movies.

Uncle Danny picked up the boys from AY but not Relisha.

Relisha was taken to Tatum or picked up by Tatum in the evening. (?)

Witness saw Relisha and KT at or near the old shelter on RI ave.

KT's credit card statements show a receipt for parking meter across the street from the Home Depot.

KT buys trash bags at Home Depot. (possibly lime and a shovel as well ?)

March 5 and 7

Relisha is seen with MYT at or near the school by a teacher. The teacher is told that Relisha has been out sick. (?)

March 8

Relisha is at her brother's birthday party. (?) (Where was Shamika?)

(?) = not confirmed

ETA: The Home Depot is accross the street from the old shelter on RI.

The shelter is now Virginia Williams Family Resource Center (http://dhs.dc.gov/page/virginia-williams-family-resource-center-relocates) and also The Community Partnership for the Prevention of Homelessness (http://www.community-partnership.org/ )
 
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  • #367
Sigh... I woke up with a migraine from the devil. Glad I don't have to go to work today. My daughter who is very close to relishas age just came and jumped in the bed with me. Today is mommy daughter day. Rio 2 and pedicures will be had. Anyway, As I lay here and wait for this pill to kick in, I think about little Relisha. You know, the night before last I felt sympathetic toward SY but now my feelings have changed. SY is lying, AW, as ignorant as he sounds probably doesn't know the whole story. I think he believes everything SY tells him. AY and MT, I don't know what to think. This whole situation is just disgusting. I am going to love my baby so hard today (the five year old is with my sis in law for the day). The heartbreaking part is that there are kids in this situation. When uncle Danny said they use the kids like a punching bag, I almost threw up. I knew there was dysfunction but to actually hear it confirmed? It's too much. This whole situation is sooooo sad.
 
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Feb 26

One of 2 different dates SY gives as the last time she saw Relisha.

March 1

Two of 2 different dates SY gives as the last time she saw Relisha.

KT checked into the hotel on NY ave alone and reserved the room for 2 days. Relisha was never seen at that hotel. (What time?)

Relisha was at AY's house and in the Instagram video.

AW and SY went to the movies.

Uncle Danny picked up the boys from AY but not Relisha.

Relisha was taken to Tatum or picked up by Tatum in the evening. (?)

Witness saw Relisha and KT at or near the old shelter on RI ave.

KT's credit card statements show a receipt for parking meter across the street from the Home Depot.

KT buys trash bags at Home Depot. (possibly lime and a shovel as well ?)

March 5 and 7

Relisha is seen with MYT at or near the school by a teacher. The teacher is told that Relisha has been out sick. (?)

March 8

Relisha is at her brother's birthday party. (?) (Where was Shamika?)

(?) = not confirmed

ETA: The Home Depot is accross the street from the old shelter on RI.

The shelter is now Virginia Williams Family Resource Center (http://dhs.dc.gov/page/virginia-williams-family-resource-center-relocates) and also The Community Partnership for the Prevention of Homelessness (http://www.community-partnership.org/ )

...about the time Relisha was last seen. That March 1 sighting of the girl occurred on Bladensburg Road, near motels that police say Tatum had stayed in, including at least one stay with Relisha.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...1ce29c-bb3c-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html
 
  • #370
Interesting charges filed on 3/31. Hmmm, attempt thwarted by someone, maybe. All in the midst of Relisha's disappearance. Good grief. So much diversion from finding Relisha. LE must feel as if Pandora's Box will never be closed again with this cast of characters. The BS is never-ending.

BBM. What charges? TIA
 
  • #371
April 17, 2014 7:00pm Blogtalkradio.com with Keith Warren on the Warren Experience KWDC Radio Live
Recorded Link: The Finding Relisha Radio Show Online Radio | BlogTalkRadio

This is an abridged transcript of the talk show. With all of the yelling and cross talk there is a lot that I did not catch. I have paraphrased most of it . All questions are listed by one caller together and then the answers are in the same order. I have not taken the time to put in quotes and all that good punctuation stuff like it should have.
I also added in [ ] the first name to help keep the entire he, she, me stuff straight. Please do not take this as a complete and true transcript.


General Information:

******** ---- Relisha Rudd Fund account.
This money will be used for searches, to help with search expense such as flyers and things, money left over for Relisha when found; medical problems. I don’t want to leave anything to chance. Know that government funds will probably help with a lot but not going to rely on that just in case. I am not selling T-shirts. They are my [Keith Warren] designs.

Relisha Rudd Task Force:
Looking for people. I’m looking for 4 people to help with Treasurer. Want everything to be official. Have someone working on marches and vigils. Need help and want everyone to help.

Questions in Chat Room answered on air:
Q: I want to know why SY is saying that the school lied to the press about what SY told them about Relisha.
A: School claims everything they told press is by documentation.
Taking Phone Calls
Caller: I want to know why SY says she never met KLT’s wife but KLT was the Godfather. How is that, it just doesn’t fly.
Caller: I want to know why SY hasn’t talked to Relisha the whole time she said she was sick. What mother does that?
Host: MYT to me [KW] she gave SY the discharge papers from the ER because she [MYT] took her to the doctor.
Caller: SY said she gave Relisha to KLT and he always brought her back, but now she says she has never given Relisha to KLY.
Host: A lot of missing pieces to the case. March 5 was the date that the school set up a conference with SY to discuss Relisha’s absences and set up additional support if needed.
Caller: SY is saying people are out to kill me. I would not care. I would be out there looking for my child. SY keeps laying everything on the grandmother and sister. She is not responsible. Why?
Host: My response to last night everyone airing their dirty laundry is not helping to find Relisha. They only place they have been seen is at that one vigil
AW: Why do you all keep talking about this *****. I have other things that I have to take care of things, I have my boys. No one on the street is saying nothing to me. Everyone keeps on bashing me on the internet. The grandmother [MYT] and her daughter [AY] are responsible and they are going to get theirs.
Host: You [AW] are an adult. They are going to talk about you. That’s just the way it is. Everybody has their own opinion. You just have to deal with. The only thing that is important is finding Relisha.
AW: Still complaining. I’m still trying to find out what really happen. I’m just mad. I’m tired.
Caller: Do you have any idea what may happen to Relisha? You said she was at MYT house when she went missing. What do you think happen? The other mothers at the shelter said KLT was giving them money. Was he trying to get his hands on a child? Did KLT say that was kind of off? What was he up too?
AW: I think Relisha got caught in the middle of whatever was going on. Those mothers’s are lying. No, I don’t know. I’m losing weight, not sleeping; (yada, yada) I can’t disclose that kind of information.
Host: I have an adult family member that is missing. And I lost a child in February. This is just … it hurts.
Caller: SY said she took Relisha to ER
BW: No she [SY] did not say that. (Not sure if I have this right)
Host: You said that you walk the streets, and I applaud you for that. How long have been in Relisha’s life? Do you any issues with AY, MYT, or Tiffany or GT?
AW: since she was one year old. I never had no issues with them. I haven’t had issues with Tiffany
or GT.
Host: Are you still in the shelter. They really didn’t follow the rules at the shelter. You said that the kids would go and stay at Grandmothers house. The rules are kids are not supposed to spend the night out, right?
AW: Yes. No not really that good. Yes they would stay with MYT. They give you a weekend pass to go out.
Caller: Why is your mom coaching you? We can hear it.
AW: My mom is not coaching me. I’m not….
Cussing in the background.
Host steps in. AW calms down.
Caller via Host: Why did Tatum not take your boys like he did Relisha?
AW: I don’t know. KLT used to buy the boys ice cream once in awhile. When MYT brought that tablet down to Relisha, I asked her who bought that and she told KLT did. I was like what! (there was something else said that I didn’t catch) I don’t have a father. I was always looking for a father. I never met my father.
BW: [in background] your grandfather was your father….
AW: [cuts off BW] Oh! Come on mom, no he wasn’t.
more arguing.
AW: Why was MYT selling T-shirts? Who does that? I didn’t know it and people where asking me. Shamika had to go to the house and take the shirts. And she was selling them for $5.00.
Host: Where did this money come from? [Referring to MYT or AY facebook page.] I see wads of money on her page.
AW: I don’t know where that came from.
Didn’t catch the whole answer. Went to get coffee and he was saying something about threats.
Host: Was Relisha sold to trafficking? Do you know that or you hope not? Trip to Atlanta.
AW: NO, NO! I hope not. I don’t know…...
SY: [jumps in and answers last question]: I told KLT no he could not take her, but I don’t know if he did actually take her only that my mother he did.
Caller: Did you report these threats. It seemed like in the beginning MYT was the loving grandmother. Now I think she is not telling the truth. MYT said she didn’t sell those shirts she was giving them away, but she was taking orders on her Facebook page.
AW: Yes I did. Yes she was selling them. Oh! it was on Facebook. [like he was not aware of how she was selling them]
Caller: Daniel Rob??? [cut off I think.]
Caller: [It is AY] On March the 2nd that was when Relisha was with me and My grandfather was here and I was talking to me about how he made some money [something about making money or having money on Facebook]
And then the screaming really started between AY, BW, AW, SY, with every other work F*$# this
It was Cuss City, honestly Pa, it was.
AY: I have a witness to that [referring to something] yada yada
I couldn’t catch hardly any of this.
AY: Antonio, stop telling about things you don’t know. I had someone who ha….
Gave up. Too much yelling to understand who is saying what.
Caller: (Missed the first question. Went for more coffee.) When was the last time you saw Relisha? Did you know KLT before….
Rest was too garbled
AY: When we had that snow, when they had the power out at DC and she stayed here with me for about a week. No I …..
Didn’t hear rest. More yelling.
SY: I don’t know if my mother had a relationship with him or not.
AW: I found out he was her Godfather at the shelter. I didn’t have anything to do with and I didn’t agree with but
Caller: Did you talk to Relisha when she came back from staying KLT. Did you ask Relisha if she had been touched in an in-appropriate way?
AW: I always talked to her. She said nothing but good things.
SY and AY going at it: I only know what you told me. I don’t know. I never said that. You told me (yada yada) AW now gets into it.
AW: I got witness and I can’t wait to get to court. It’s not about you. You are nothing to me. You are not related to me.
Host: Trying to get them to listen to each other or shut up.
More of the same.
Host: Host: Hold on Hold on. Listen!! Hold on. Come on! Excuse me I HAVE A CALLER
Caller: Why are you going back and forth? What does this have to do with finding Relisha? A F%&*$ child is missing. It’s not about you. It’s about Relisha. It’s about HER!
Now everyone is cursing, screaming at each other. Oh My!!!! And with echoes this is nuts!!!
Caller: If my child is F*#$&ing missing I would be out of my mind. They are not evening trying. Someone is lying. Everyone is lying. Why would you let a little girl go with a 51 year old man? You never checked on her? She wasn’t even in school and you didn’t know it?. Somebody tell the truth so we can find her. I don’t understand. Hangs up.
Caller: Drinking and partying, and posting on Instagram and Facebook. She is just a baby. She [SY] wasn’t paying any attention. If I was a cop I would throw every one of them Mother F&*#ers in jail and throw the f*&%ing key away. It’s the mother’s responsibility to take care of her child, not her mothers, not her sister. HER!
AW: My daughter never lived with … can’t understand what he is yelling about. (Back to) the “I’m not eating, I can’t take this anymore” The money on Facebook, it’s gotten nothing to do with it. My daughter was not even missing at that time. The FBI is looking at my page. I don’t know why. They don’t know what I got. The people that are responsible…they will get it. I want my daughter home. No one knows what I’m going through. I’m not a bad person. I’m not. I’m tired of everybody putting this on my shoulders.
Caller: There is just too much arguing going on. Why can’t you figure out who where she was and who had her? If you can’t come together you are never going to find her? WHO HAD HER?
AW: You can’t get a straight answer of SY mother. Her sister is a liar too. I know she was there on the weekend. (Could not understand what he said). We went out that night. The only way we are going to get to this if we all take a lie detector test.
Host: They won’ give you one if you ask for it.
Really? Not sure I’m understanding what KW means.
Note: This may be what KW actually meansThe states in which polygraphs are inadmissible include New York, Texas, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia. In these states, even if both parties wish to enter polygraph test results into evidence, it is forbidden (except in very rare scenarios). Source: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissability-of-polygraph-tests-in-court.html
Caller: SY says last time she saw her was on the 1st and found out on the 19th she was missing. Why didn’t she know for all of that time she was missing? She [SY] says that she never let KLT take her daughter, but she said before that she did when she was first missing. Why is she lying?
AW: No, No, March 8th. My son’s birthday was on March 8th and Relisha was there.
SY: [Jumps in and starts arguing with caller] talking on top of each. I’m not lying. Why don’t you [to caller] come down here and help us look for her. I have the evidence. More Yelling Why can’t she talk about her daughter Tatiana Antoinette Fortannello (spelling?) Young
Caller: I have information that SY pulled Relisha’s hair and didn’t treat her good Why is SY lying? I watched Shamika give Relisha to Mr. Tatum myself. AW uses her as punching bag. She is going to end up in a pine box and I will go into any court of law and repeat this. . (Not sure if I got this right. ?? Relish was used as a punching bag or Shamika was used as a punching bag)
Host: Your name
Caller: My name is Daniel Robinson.
Host: Reading an article about prior investigations by family services documenting abuse. Let me say something. All of this bickering and arguing. This is about a missing girl. Relisha Rudd. Who has missing since March 1st. The Relish Rudd Task Force, we need to get together. I want to get some people and put together some plans and go look for her. Maybe if we get together and we go and look, and pray, we will find this little girl. This could have been my child. This could have been your child. This could be your grand child, your niece. We all have are reasons for doing this. I want to thank everyone. I am really upset about what is going on with this case. This is like the game called clue. Sigh! I’m a ….
Caller: When Mr. Tatum had a phone call with someone, the one that if something happens to me or I die Relisha will be set for life. What was the response by this person he had this conversation with? Sounded like this was a private conversation, but what does this mean?
Host: I’m going to have my analyst get on this. Hold on. It was the Grandmother and the Grandmother never indicated a response.
Host: We need to find her. This is hurting us all.

Prayer
 
  • #372
No. You can name anyone you like as a beneficiary and they might not even know until you are dead.

That clears up that line of thinking for me! Ta!
 
  • #373
I love you Shadow of my mind.
 
  • #374
Oh great. Now the media can't even get the stories straight.

The link Popsicle posted ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...1ce29c-bb3c-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html)

Police said they concentrated their search on the park based on a tip and because Tatum was spotted there after he bought 42-gallon trash bags about the time Relisha was last seen. That March 1 sighting of the girl occurred on Bladensburg Road, near motels that police say Tatum had stayed in, including at least one stay with Relisha.

The link I was referring to ( http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/0...rch-of-relisha-rudd-101649.html#ixzz2zF7JU3zY )

However, another Days Inn guest who did not want to go on-camera told ABC7 he did see Relisha Rudd - not there at the hotel, but at the Virginia Williams Homeless Center on Rhode Island Avenue NE, around the 1st or 2nd of this month.
The guest said the homeless center is also where he bumped into Kahlil Tatum. Interestingly, the center is just across the street from the Home Depot store where Tatum reportedly purchased large, industrial-sized garbage bags.

In case anyone is wondering, the hotel on Bladensburg Rd is about 1.5 miles away from the Home Depot.

The Days Inn on NY ave is virtually across the street from the Holiday Inn on Bladensburg.
 
  • #375
Oh great. Now the media can't even get the stories straight.

The link Popsicle posted ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...1ce29c-bb3c-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html)



The link I was referring to ( http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/0...rch-of-relisha-rudd-101649.html#ixzz2zF7JU3zY )



In case anyone is wondering, the hotel on Bladensburg Rd is about 1.5 miles away from the Home Depot.

The Days Inn on NY ave is virtually across the street from the Holiday Inn on Bladensburg.

I am thinking they have video of KT and Relisha on Bladensburg Rd around the hotel. An eyewitness...well we all know they aren't reliable but, even if LE believes this witness, it is possible the siting from him is earlier than the Bladensburg Rd one. jmo
 
  • #376
Originally Posted by baltolady View Post
Interesting charges filed on 3/31. Hmmm, attempt thwarted by someone, maybe. All in the midst of Relisha's disappearance. Good grief. So much diversion from finding Relisha. LE must feel as if Pandora's Box will never be closed again with this cast of characters. The BS is never-ending.

Ok. I must not be looking in the right place. I looked under the MD Judiciary Case Search system and I'm not seeing anything for 3/31 charges. Help please.
 
  • #377
The apartment that KT sublet to an unknown person is on 3500 Hayes St. NE, DC.

That apartment was empty when US Marshals went to serve an eviction.

That apartment backs up to Kenilworth Aquatic Gardens and the Arboretum which is a very large area.

If the apartment was empty had KT been visiting there? Did he take Relisha there? Did he kill her there and put her in trash bags and leave in the middle of the night to dispose of her body in the park? This would be a very convenient situation for him.
 
  • #378
I just wrote to WJLA and the Washington post about the March 1 sighting. I hope to hear from them soon.
 
  • #379
Originally Posted by baltolady View Post
Interesting charges filed on 3/31. Hmmm, attempt thwarted by someone, maybe. All in the midst of Relisha's disappearance. Good grief. So much diversion from finding Relisha. LE must feel as if Pandora's Box will never be closed again with this cast of characters. The BS is never-ending.

Ok. I must not be looking in the right place. I looked under the MD Judiciary Case Search system and I'm not seeing anything for 3/31 charges. Help please.


Have a look here:
https://www.dccourts.gov/cco/maincase.jsf
 
  • #380
A DC felony arrest warrant was filed on 3/27/2014 for AY. It was executed/served on 3/31/2014.

The felony case was disposed/closed on the same day 3/31/2014. On that day, 3/31/2014, AY was charged with the misdemeanor charges listed below,

Charge Filed Charge 1: Attempted Uttering
Charge 2: Attempted Theft Second Degree

She was released on 3/31/2014 with the following requirements:
report to the Pretrial Services Agency
drug test requirement
address verification

Her Initial Status Hearing is scheduled for 4/29/2014.

She could have tried to pass/cash a 'hot' check by changing the dollar amount on a check made out to herself. The monetary amount involved may have reduced the felony charges to misdemeanors. Many different possibilities.

Lots of different crimes being committed by lots of different criminals in this bunch. JMO
 
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