DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #1

[Hatfield]

If the persons uses the cell phone to check messages then yes it is logged.

I sure hope LE by now is doing this level of investigating. I always start to doubt how much LE is doing or not doing in cases like this.

Most of the time I am pleasantly surprised that LE has been very thorough and do a great job. Lets hope they are on top of stuff like that.

 

[Aloysius]

What if the fourth person died of smoke inhalation because as part of the ruse it made sense for one person to survive to tell the 'story' of what actually happened, what the intruders looked like etc, but the co-accomplices either forgot to phone 911 or they'd never intended to in the first place. I wonder if the fourth person turns out to be SS who set the whole thing up as a way of getting rid of his wife/son plus claiming millions on house insurance. JMO.

 

[popsicle]

bruce johnson ‏@brucejohnson9 4m4 minutes ago
New: MPD Chief Cathy Lanier can't say if Wealthy NW family was targeted in four murders or picked at random @wusa9

 

[jjenny]

WUSA9.com reports: "Three of the four victims had injuries caused by sharp force or blunt objects, according to investigators. The police incident report found all four had "various traumatic injuries."

I take that to mean the housekeeper didn't die of a heart attack, unless it was while she was being murdered via traumatic injuries.

That makes it sound like one person had injuries different from the other three. Otherwise why wouldn't it say all four had blunt force injuries? Gun shot wound? Strangulation?

 

[savoiadilucania]

I'm starting to think that this is a deliberate ploy by LE, if we're noticing these discrepancies then they surely are, and what better evidence than from her own mouth on camera!

Another discrepancy is her refusal to face the camera in one interview...does not make any sense.

 

[Aloysius]

All JMO
At this point,
Im thinking that the perps were working with someone that knew the family and maybe promised them nobody would get hurt but had no intentions of keeping that promise.

It could be that even SS may have planned the fake robbery to try to claim insurance money or something and the perps could have lied to him about nobody getting hurt. The way he was able to talk to so many people and leave so many messages almost gives an impression of planning. I know he could be forced into all that but the way the messages were so specific almost hints at planning.

Or even the victim maid's husband. Like what if it was one of his friends that double crossed him and promised him that his wife would not be hurt. It would explain why he did not try to go over there that night before. Maybe he panicked on thursday and was going to go get her and maybe the perps locked the doors and wouldnt let him inside. He couldnt call LE at that point.

And of course the perps could have known someone and never even told them what their plan was. They may have just used info they knew about the house and family.

The whole thing is so bizarre. I hope LE solves this soon.

I can't get past how not stressed SS sounded on the phone or how he could be in such good spirits with his sister.

 

[Mountaingazer]

If the persons uses the cell phone to check messages then yes it is logged.

Even if you use another phone to check your messages (cell or landline), there will be a record of the event by the cell company. The actual message is stored on their servers, not the phone, and must be called into to retrieve. So they will have a record of what time the message was accessed and what phone number it was accessed by.

 

[Hatfield]

What if the fourth person died of smoke inhalation because as part of the ruse it made sense for one person to survive to tell the 'story' of what actually happened, what the intruders looked like etc, but the co-accomplices either forgot to phone 911 or they'd never intended to in the first place. I wonder if the fourth person turns out to be SS who set the whole thing up as a way of getting rid of his wife/son plus claiming millions on house insurance. JMO.

That would not surprise me and would explain why 1 of them did not have injuries like the others.

Maybe they forgot about the smoke being able to kill someone. I think I read where the fire had started upstairs. It will be interesting to find out about the specific injuries of the 1 compared to the other 3 and were all victims bound the same way in the same place or not.

The 1 phone call where the other person said SS sounded normal makes me wonder more about this type of theory.

 

[Inthedetails]

Another discrepancy is her refusal to face the camera in one interview...does not make any sense.

Exactly! I watched two videos of her giving tv-news interviews yesterday. In one, her face is totally on camera and visible. In the other, the reporter said NG didn't want to be shown (yet gives many details).

At this point, I don't think she's involved with the crime but is comfortable with the media more than with LE authorities. I think she's being used, quite frankly.

I'm willing to change my mind, but I don't thing NG is involved (yet).

JMO

 

[*LD*]

Good point. That is one way they may have known.

She'd been their maid for 20 yrs. I would think that SS has met her husband at some point.

 

[jjenny]

She'd been their maid for 20 yrs. I would think that SS has met her husband at some point.

Isn't that the maid who is alive that was their maid for 20 years?

 

[stmarysmead]

What if the fourth person died of smoke inhalation because as part of the ruse it made sense for one person to survive to tell the 'story' of what actually happened, what the intruders looked like etc, but the co-accomplices either forgot to phone 911 or they'd never intended to in the first place. I wonder if the fourth person turns out to be SS who set the whole thing up as a way of getting rid of his wife/son plus claiming millions on house insurance. JMO.

Yes. it could be SS. Sad to speculate, but we have followed too many cases of loving wives disposed of this way. But, while we are speculating, (and only speculating) there is another husband to consider. One with a hard working wife, stressed, ready to retire. Planning to move near her children back home.

Maybe he suggested she change her work schedule and get off early and he would pick her up. Maybe he arrived with some "friends" and when she realized what was planned, she resisted.

Maybe he needed an excuse for being seen around the house and that's where the "stopping by" story comes in. Maybe now he inherits the proceeds of her hard work, the house back home and has the profits from the robbery to finance life as a rich single guy back home.

Or...maybe not. He and SS may have both been the most devoted of husbands. But after all the cases one reads about, after all the betrayals, and the Laci Peterson type stories, I guess I'm privy to consider all angles.

 

[jjenny]

That would not surprise me and would explain why 1 of them did not have injuries like the others.

Maybe they forgot about the smoke being able to kill someone. I think I read where the fire had started upstairs. It will be interesting to find out about the specific injuries of the 1 compared to the other 3 and were all victims bound the same way in the same place or not.

The 1 phone call where the other person said SS sounded normal makes me wonder more about this type of theory.

So far, I see that everybody and their mama have been suspected around here. We already know all the victims had traumatic injuries. If that's correct, then nobody simply died from smoke inhalation.

 

[Hatfield]

She'd been their maid for 20 yrs. I would think that SS has met her husband at some point.

I believe the husband that came over was the husband to the maid that was killed in the house. Not NG husband. NG is the one who worked 20 years for SS.

Thats my understanding anyway.

 

[Aloysius]

So far, I see that everybody and their mama have been suspected around here. We already know all the victims had traumatic injuries. If that's correct, then nobody simply died from smoke inhalation.

So far we've been told more than once that 3 of them had sharp and blunt trauma, possibly because there was blood visible from knife/sword wounds that made it obvious.

We know that the medics were doing CPR on someone, so maybe that person had just got a bash on the head to make it look convincing or when they were safely tied up bashed and thought they'd been left for dead.

 

[wfgodot]

Thanks to those using MSM links and well-chosen social media to establish and back up opinions about, and viewpoints of, what did possibly happen here.

It matters.

 

[Aloysius]

Thanks to those using MSM links and well-chosen social media to establish and back up opinions about, and viewpoints of, what did possibly happen here.

It matters.

You're right, fair comment. I need to open a file where I can put all the links for all articles and video in so it doesn't take forever and a day to find what I'm looking for.

Apologies.

 

[wfgodot]

You're right, fair comment. I need to open a file where I can put all the links for all articles and video in so it doesn't take forever and a day to find what I'm looking for.

Apologies.

Apology unnecessary, wasn't directed toward anyone, A.; and if it were it would be first self-directed, as I'm guilty of that tendency too.

Every opinion certainly doesn't require an antecedent link. But they do help as providing stepping stones across what can constitute, at times, a of ideas and opinions.

 

[Hatfield]

Someone brought up yesterday about the fancy car being one of the keys to helping solve this case and I agree it will help LE.

There is something really strange about why burn the car and why leave car with bucket.

I can only think of 2 reasons why the car was taken and burned.

1-The perp(s) had been in that car on Wed at some point and wanted to burn the car to help destroy evidence.

2-The perp(s) wanted the car really bad and then decided as they were driving it home that it was way too risky to have the victim's car in their possession.

#2 seems unlikely because they surely would have thought of that before taking it one would think. So going with #1. And hoping that burning it did not destroy some place where prints or DNA can capture the perp's ID.

I was watching another case on one of those crime shows where they got 2 partial prints from 2 different areas of the steering wheel and pieced together a whole fingerprint that way to ID the guy. Even with the fire, I think LE may be able to gain good evidence from that car.

For that matter they may be able to get good evidence in the house too as far as fingerprints or DNA from the perp.

 

[stmarysmead]

Unfortunately, all the MSM links and video interviews do not exactly form a cohesive set of events.

The funeral is Monday. I hope this is solved before then.

I can't stop thinking how the daughters lives have been changed. This should be a graduation time, with all the events ...dances, parties, ceremonies. Instead they are burying their parents and little brother.