DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

[jjenny]

I think it is possible that he was watching and waiting for a chance to enter. Maybe when VF went outside to leave, he overpowered her and forced her back inside?

If you belive whatever the surviving housekeepr NG is saying, she claimed the family even sometimes left the doors open.
In that case the suspect could have simply walked right in.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Really??? So y'all think Savvas went to work on Wednesday, with his family being tied up inside...with the perp(s)...and the perp(s) let him go on about his work all day???

Sounds to me like some of you are thinking waaaay to hard and trying to find answers...that we just cannot have right now.

But of course, that is just my opinion!

Where has it been reported that he was at work all day on Wednesday? I didn't know it had been determined how much work SS does from home versus time he spends working from an AIW office. I'd heard it reported that an AIW employee saw SS at his martial arts studio, but not under what circumstances and I've heard absolutely nothing about SS going into AIW offices at any time that Wednesday. Not that I think this is what happened, but nothing AFAIK would for instance preclude SS to have been under duress of his driver where they had to do something or get something and if that didn't happen he was told his family was going to get it.

 

[rkf]

If the Mosler was the target of this thing all along, it kind of makes the lie about it being locked/unlocked a little more interesting. Maybe Mr. car-braggert let it out that Mr. S had one in his garage and he knew where the key was.
Were they after the key? Was the price for the key $20,000?
OK I'm off this site for a while. Gotta pull weeds.

To add one more thing to my post, if W-1's role was to drive the Mosler somewhere and stash it for the perps to get later - maybe he just took the dough and figured it would be his word against the perps where the money went. The perps may have thought he completed his part of the deal and were going back to get the car. Murder may never have been part of the deal. Hey, it's a theory that would explain a few things...
bye

I was thinking W1 took half the money to make sure DW didn't leave without the car. Money was more important to DW, but the car was the reason for W1. W1 left after dropping off the money to establish an alibi, but was afraid DW would leave with all the money and no Mosler. And then he would have no recourse.

But DW had to know that the Mosler was still in the garage and unreachable, so why the rolling garage?

It will really help to find out how SS and NG got to/from the dojo on Thursday and if NG was at the house before/after. In one of her interviews, she said she was at the house on Wednesday, but I don't think anything she says is reliable.

 

[stmarysmead]

I just tried to PM you but it isn't working right- can you link up his sites or send me a PM with them? I wanted to go check em out.

Not sure if I can post the link...But it's his first two initals, last name plus "racing.com"

XYZoooooRacing.com

Like that.

 

[katydid23]

It would be interesting to know when he made those plans. Did he participate in other races between March and May that kept him away from work for a week at a time?

SS probably would not mind if W1 went away for those big races. He probably wanted his 10 yr old to go and see some of it, as he hoped to do the same some day. JMO

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Actually, SS's sister talked to him on Thursday. I am pretty sure sister would know if it was him or not.

she did?? This is new to me. I didn't know that. Imagine what she's feeling right now

 

[jjenny]

she did?? This is new to me. I didn't know that. Imagine what she's feeling right now

Yes, it was reported early on. Sister thought SS was fine and in good spirits.

 

[katydid23]

It would be interesting to know when he made those plans. Did he participate in other races between March and May that kept him away from work for a week at a time?

SS probably would not mind if W1 went away for those big races. He probably wanted his 10 yr old to go and see some of it, as he hoped to do the same some day. JMO

 

[rkf]

I was thinking W1 took half the money to make sure DW didn't leave without the car. Money was more important to DW, but the car was the reason for W1. W1 left after dropping off the money to establish an alibi, but was afraid DW would leave with all the money and no Mosler. And then he would have no recourse.

But DW had to know that the Mosler was still in the garage and unreachable, so why the rolling garage?

It will really help to find out how SS and NG got to/from the dojo on Wednesday and if NG was at the house before/after. In one of her interviews, she said she was at the house on Wednesday, but I don't think anything she says is reliable.

 

[stmarysmead]

SS probably would not mind if W1 went away for those big races. He probably wanted his 10 yr old to go and see some of it, as he hoped to do the same some day. JMO

Expensive hobby. Don't see SS or his company listed as a sponsor.

 

[Just K]

Are they? Is there a link? I may have missed it. If they are all accounted for, then obviously, he wasn't going back for a car.

Of the cars the public is aware of, they are accounted for. But a member here, and friend of AS, says AS also drove a Porsche SUV. We don't know if she is correct. Then there is the Bentley. We are not privy to whether SS still possessed that car by May 13th and if he did where it might be, today. So, as many as two cars could be missing.

But, something stands out to me. Where the suspect was captured is probably no further than a mile or two from where the Porsche was spotted 3.5 hours before PGFD responded to the car fire. There are at least 3 hours where the Porsche and its occupant/occupants were MIA. Maybe what they came back for was stashed in NE DC. Ironically, coming from the HOJo's and in order to get to the location where the caravan of DW and friends were captured, they had to drive very close to the AIW plant.

 

[FerrariRose]

I am truly on the fence with this W1
But as a new employee, what right did he have to question his boss's instructions?
His responsibilities were over once the money was delivered

If his responsibility was to follow his boss's instructions, a simple follow up call to see if his boss received the money is within his scope of responsibilities. It is not responsible to not answer or return his boss's "flurry of calls" until nearly 4 hours later.

 

[Dushi]

If his responsibility was to follow his boss's instructions, a simple follow up call to see if his boss received the money is within his scope of responsibilities. It is not responsible to not answer or return his boss's "flurry of calls" until nearly 4 hours later.

he did not answer a flurry of calls?
I have missed this
Could you give me a link .TIA

 

[atthelake]

Someone upthread was asking about a link and to see the doggies that their neighbors removed (vs. the pound truck we saw). Here they are HTH

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Woodley-Park-Bodies-Fire-Death-303794761.html

 

[Skigirl]

I was thinking W1 took half the money to make sure DW didn't leave without the car. Money was more important to DW, but the car was the reason for W1. W1 left after dropping off the money to establish an alibi, but was afraid DW would leave with all the money and no Mosler. And then he would have no recourse.

But DW had to know that the Mosler was still in the garage and unreachable, so why the rolling garage?

It will really help to find out how SS and NG got to/from the dojo on Thursday and if NG was at the house before/after. In one of her interviews, she said she was at the house on Wednesday, but I don't think anything she says is reliable.

This theory is really intriguing, but I'm still on the fence because the Mosler is an extremely illiquid asset, sort of like stealing a Picasso. What was W1 going to do with the Mosler? I guess he could have had a fantasy that he would hide it for now and then take it someplace remote to drive it... or he could have thought he could put it in a shipping container and off to China it goes in exchange for a good bit of cash... but he certainly wasn't going to get away with selling it in the US. At least I don't think so?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I am truly on the fence with this W1
But as a new employee, what right did he have to question his boss's instructions?
His responsibilities were over once the money was delivered

It's not questioning instructions, but if you want to keep your job, dropping off something very valuable without being sure it got to its intended recipient so that you're not blamed for it. Like it's said the driver called 10 minutes before arriving, like why not send SS a text that he dropped it off once that was done. For all SS would know - if somehow it turned up missing - is that his driver was the last one to have it and the driver could not only lose his job but be criminally prosecuted. To avoid criminal prosecution for something you didn't do is why you'd confirm with your boss you dropped off the valuables instead of the last they heard with you that you had $40K in cash and were driving around with it.

 

[FerrariRose]

Sorry if I'm missing something -- under this theory was the money left in the Mosler? TIA!

Yes. According to the affidavit, the money was left on the driver's seat of the Mosler which was the only car in the garage.

 

[corundogs]

BBM, since you included a quote from something I wrote -- I'm not one of the people who thinks that they were imprisoned for days. I just think it's possible that the perp(s) came earlier in the day than 6 PM, since we don't have any information -- other than that the police supposedly "think" it started around 6 PM.

IMHO it's possible and maybe even likely that Amy was already under the killer's control when she called her husband at 5:30. I suppose it's even possible that it happened early in the day, depending on when Savvas left, but I'm leaning toward the time being around the time she said she was going out and that Savvas needed to come home, which was 5:30.

OK...I am with you on that.

 

[Just K]

A link to his photo was posted in thread 4.

Based on a ticket out of Silver Spring, MD on 9/10/2014 on the ICC (Inter-County Connector)
he is described by several races. This is what the court record says:
Race: White, Caucasian, Asiatic Asian, Arab
It also says that he is 5'10" tall and weighed 160 lbs
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.u...il.jis?caseId=4FQ0D9L&loc=24&detailLoc=DSTRAF

 

[rkf]

Does anyone know anything about the family dog or dogs which is a form of security. The housekeeper NG said the perps must have entered when the dog was being walked because it was trained to attack anyone that wasn't supposed to be there. One neighbor said the dog or dogs were in the yard at time of fire. One neighbor said he saw amy and son walking the dog all the time in the past. I just find it odd that no one is asking questions about the dog or dogs and were they recovered by rescue personnel. You would think the dog could sense the distress and pain his master was going through for 18hrs only feet away and start barking and acting up to alert somone.

I wouldn't believe a word that comes from the mouth of NG. Trained to attack? They had 2 dogs and the one she referred to is a labrador named Ginger. I thought it was interesting that whoever set the fire could murder four people, but let the dogs out into the yard so they wouldn't be hurt.