DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

[jd dickinson]

Not that I think you wrong as the whole family may have loved W1, just we don't know the circumstances of what transpired with the kidnapping to know why this arrangement was made. I think SS had high standing of whoever the one who was authorized to sign out $40K of cash from AIW and walk out with it (W1 wasn't an authorized signer), but SS didn't have that authorized bank signer just do the whole thing himself, so it could be for other reasons (good or bad) that W1 was used.

If he is innocent, W-1 is a tragic figure in this case. He was asked to do the strangest action of everyone outside the house: not only pick up $40K in cash, but deliver it to the driver's seat of the Mosler instead of ringing the bell and handing it to SS.

The Porsche 911, driven by SS on Wednesday, was probably still parked out front. This makes it extraordinarily odd that SS would want W-1 to put the cash in the Mosler instead of ringing the front doorbell. Because, by all appearances, SS was in the house.

So, W-1 was used as the courier because he was docile and obedient, a "useful idiot," if you will, from SS's point of view. SS did not want to make trouble. If the accountant had come with the money, the circumstances of placing it in the Mosler and not ringing the bell might be too much to pass the smell test. Something was very wrong with that picture, and an intelligent adult should have sensed it, especially with the 911 parked out front.

If W-1 is innocent, he's damned with the knowledge that he was in the best position to save the family and did nothing. He was too stupid to sense trouble, and instead was so caught up with the thrill of handling so much cash that he texted a photo of the cash to a buddy.

No wonder he lied to investigators about ever handling the money directly. To explain what happened, truthfully, lays bare his stupidity in not sensing what was happening right in front of him. He was the last best hope, and it was just so much bling to him.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I think you are carrying this "flurry" a bit too far. But of course, that is my opinion. You have no idea how many calls were made after the money drop. Or that SS continued in a "flurry" after that.

Based on what we do know, the likely "flurry" started at 7am. Speaking back and forth with all of those different people, putting together the money. I see no reason why there would be a continued "flurry", or why DW would continue to allow a "flurry".

BTW, a "flurry" to me is multiple back and forth to multiple people. I don't see that happening after the money.

The article describes the flurry from 7 AM to just before noon, which I'm going by what the article said. You're actually raising issues that I have as to why would DW allow SS to be alive at noon to make a call in the first place. If the money wasn't delivered by noon and that's why SS was alive and calling, that would be a pretty serious problem that W1 still had the money 3 hours after getting it from the bank. Yes, I don't know that that W1 had delivered the money by around 10 AM (estimating travel time from the bank to the home), just if he didn't carry out this very important task with alacrity, I've got to wonder what he was doing and what his plans were for his boss's money. With DW in charge, he had to have some reason to want at least W1 called that late and it's not apparent to me what that is.

 

[KALI]

My reply is below. I tried to quote, but, i keep getting a notification that, ive not written enough.

CNN Jake Tapper - Pam Brown report -

- Detectives following trail of money
- Two people in car with Wint cashed money orders for $2,500 each

It boggles my mind to think of Anyone helping him Flee from this atrocious crime.

Saddens me to my very core as well. I know this kind of thing happens often, kidnaps and murders in other countries.
Those sadden me just as much, i guess I'm shocked that this crime happened where it did.
I really, would like some "whys" answered.


Well, I doubt they were paid $2500 each to ride with him as moral support as he turned himself in. Good luck to their lawyers, with that story.

But they were paid for ....something.

 

[corundogs]

If he is innocent, W-1 is a tragic figure in this case. He was asked to do the strangest action of everyone outside the house: not only pick up $40K in cash, but deliver it to the driver's seat of the Mosler instead of ringing the bell and handing it to SS.

The Porsche 911, driven by SS on Wednesday, was probably still parked out front. This makes it extraordinarily odd that SS would want W-1 to put the cash in the Mosler instead of ringing the front doorbell. Because, by all appearances, SS was in the house.

So, W-1 was used as the courier because he was docile and obedient, a "useful idiot," if you will, from SS's point of view. SS did not want to make trouble. If the accountant had come with the money, the circumstances of placing it in the Mosler and not ringing the bell might be too much to pass the smell test. Something was very wrong with that picture, and an intelligent adult should have sensed it, especially with the 911 parked out front.

If W-1 is innocent, he's damned with the knowledge that he was in the best position to save the family and did nothing. He was too stupid to sense trouble, and instead was so caught up with the thrill of handling so much cash that he texted a photo of the cash to a buddy.

No wonder he lied to investigators about ever handling the money directly. To explain what happened, truthfully, lays bare his stupidity in not sensing what was happening right in front of him. He was the last best hope, and it was just so much bling to him.

Well, we know they used the excuse of "Phillip is sick" with others...so I would imagine they gave him the same excuse. Don't ring the bell...don't disturb my sick kid...just leave it in the car.

An unusual request, to be sure. Nothing anyone can say to get me to deny that.

But, I also know as sure as I am sitting here, I would NOT jump to "my boss and his family are being held hostage by a mad man...I must bring a full cavalry of LEO with me when I drop this off!!"

I know that with every ounce of my being. No matter how weird I thought it was. Hindsight is 20/20. Always. But rarely before.

 

[Russian Blue]

That is a curious amount as that is only 1/16th of the haul each if $40K was delivered.

I don't think we really know how much money left the house. How do we know how much was already in the house and what other valuables might of been taken? I do think 40K was all they could get additional at that point, I think Wint and friends were expecting a much larger haul. We are all focused on 40K but I don't think that is very much considering how wealthy they were.

 

[TechGirl]

It's been several days since any new information or additional details have been released by LE. The lack of new or additional details has given life to a lot of misinformation from the rehashing to the point of confusion on this thread. I predict a break in this case in the next few day - LE has been unusually silent. Just my opinion... I appreciate reading everyone's comments. Thank you.

 

[jd dickinson]

Well, we know they used the excuse of "Phillip is sick" with others...so I would imagine they gave him the same excuse. Don't ring the bell...don't disturb my sick kid...just leave it in the car.

An unusual request, to be sure. Nothing anyone can say to get me to deny that.

But, I also know as sure as I am sitting here, I would NOT jump to "my boss and his family are being held hostage by a mad man...I must bring a full cavalry of LEO with me when I drop this off!!"

I know that with every ounce of my being. No matter how weird I thought it was. Hindsight is 20/20. Always. But rarely before.

W-1 rang SS's phone 10 minutes before he got there. He could have asked SS to step outside quietly so he could hand the money over in person.

I get that he was following orders, and I get that SS may have been persuasive with the cover story. But, I wouldn't like it. If I couldn't persuade SS to step outside, I think I might call up the accountant and describe the arrangement to him. I'd want someone else other than SS to tell me that what I was doing was OK, if nothing else to cover my in the event that the cash went missing.

No, ransom for home invasion would not be the first thing to jump to my mind. But, I would be struck by the fact that SS was determined not to receive the money directly from me, and this would bother me until I could believe a good reason why not or at least have someone else in authority tell me that I was crazy for worrying about it.

My first thought would probably be that SS was stealing from his own company and didn't want the handoff to be in person. I wouldn't want to be part of what could be a felony. In fact, I'd wonder if I were being set up as a fall guy in some weird scheme.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The charging docs say after the 40k was delivered the 4 decedents were killed.

Yes, it doesn't say how much after

 

[corundogs]

W-1 rang SS's phone 10 minutes before he got there. He could have asked SS to step outside quietly so he could hand the money over in person.

I get that he was following orders, and I get that SS may have been persuasive with the cover story. But, I wouldn't like it. If I couldn't persuade SS to step outside, I think I might call up the accountant and describe the arrangement to him. I'd want someone else other than SS to tell me that what I was doing was OK, if nothing else to cover my in the event that the cash went missing.

No, ransom for home invasion would not be the first thing to jump to my mind. But, I would be struck by the fact that SS was determined not to receive the money directly from me, and this would bother me until I could believe a good reason why not or at least have someone else in authority tell me that I was crazy for worrying about it.

My first thought would probably be that SS was stealing from his own company and didn't want the handoff to be in person. I wouldn't want to be part of what could be a felony. In fact, I'd wonder if I were being set up as a fall guy in some weird scheme.

Well, since W-1 got the money from the accountant or whoever it was that took it out of the bank...he already had confirmation from that person that he was to drop it off.

I just wouldn't take my boss's instructions, that has also been relayed to me by another AIW person of authority, and decide I need to do something different. Especially not with a bunch of cash!

NONE OF MY DAMN BUSINESS! But if you want to question your boss's instructions, hope that works out for ya! You may save their lives if they are being held captive by a mad man...or you may just lose your job! LOL!!!

 

[MyBelle]

I understand the difference. But just making the point that a wealthy business owner can call the bank manager after 6 pm and get emergency cash for the next morning, if his life depended on it---which SS thought it did. He could have given a very believable reason for needing emergency cash, imo.

Some businesses do use cash in large amounts---for odd situations, or cash only auctions, etc.

BBM. Do you have a link because I don't believe this is true for any reason. If SS told the banker his life depended upon it, the banker would have a duty to notify LE. Cash withdrawals or wire transfers over $10,000 are monitored. That I know from my own experience.

JMO

 

[popsicle]

If he is innocent, W-1 is a tragic figure in this case. He was asked to do the strangest action of everyone outside the house: not only pick up $40K in cash, but deliver it to the driver's seat of the Mosler instead of ringing the bell and handing it to SS.

The Porsche 911, driven by SS on Wednesday, was probably still parked out front. This makes it extraordinarily odd that SS would want W-1 to put the cash in the Mosler instead of ringing the front doorbell. Because, by all appearances, SS was in the house.

So, W-1 was used as the courier because he was docile and obedient, a "useful idiot," if you will, from SS's point of view. SS did not want to make trouble. If the accountant had come with the money, the circumstances of placing it in the Mosler and not ringing the bell might be too much to pass the smell test. Something was very wrong with that picture, and an intelligent adult should have sensed it, especially with the 911 parked out front.

If W-1 is innocent, he's damned with the knowledge that he was in the best position to save the family and did nothing. He was too stupid to sense trouble, and instead was so caught up with the thrill of handling so much cash that he texted a photo of the cash to a buddy.

No wonder he lied to investigators about ever handling the money directly. To explain what happened, truthfully, lays bare his stupidity in not sensing what was happening right in front of him. He was the last best hope, and it was just so much bling to him.

Can you link the BBM?

I think W1 was used as a courier because he was a new employee, familiar with the house and being an assistant this was part of his job. jmo I don't think he was necessarily in the best position to have sensed something was wrong here... so many red flags were thrown out by SS. Dumping this on him is just BS. imo

 

[radiator]

W-1 rang SS's phone 10 minutes before he got there. He could have asked SS to step outside quietly so he could hand the money over in person.

I get that he was following orders, and I get that SS may have been persuasive with the cover story. But, I wouldn't like it. If I couldn't persuade SS to step outside, I think I might call up the accountant and describe the arrangement to him. I'd want someone else other than SS to tell me that what I was doing was OK, if nothing else to cover my in the event that the cash went missing.

No, ransom for home invasion would not be the first thing to jump to my mind. But, I would be struck by the fact that SS was determined not to receive the money directly from me, and this would bother me until I could believe a good reason why not or at least have someone else in authority tell me that I was crazy for worrying about it.

My first thought would probably be that SS was stealing from his own company and didn't want the handoff to be in person. I wouldn't want to be part of what could be a felony. In fact, I'd wonder if I were being set up as a fall guy in some weird scheme.

Your portrayal of the driver is making me less suspicious of his lies. In addition to perhaps feeling guilty along the lines of "I should have known something was wrong," he probably feels terrible about having missed that last call. I did notice that the gap between the call from SS to him at 11:45 a.m and his call back at 1:40ish is a time period that might have been his regular lunch break.

I look forward to learning more about him though, I'm not totally convinced he wasn't involved in some fashion.

 

[KALI]

Daily Mail:

Murdered DC family never had security despite wealth and would open door to anyone, friends reveal

Friends described the Savopoulos family as being open and loving

Savvas Savopoulos, 46, his wife Amy, their 10-year-old son Philip were found dead in their home two weeks ago

Housekeeper Veralicia Figueroa also died as the property was set alight

Has been revealed Mr Savopolous had organised a holiday with his wife

They were set to travel to Mykonos, Greece, before lives were cut short

Ex-convict Daron Wint has been charged in connection with the deaths

Authorities are still searching for accomplices

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-open-door-friends-reveal.html#ixzz3bIZqRYE5

Would Law enforcement not have the prints on the water bottle by now?
I would think so. Maybe they are Daron Wints.

After booking the people harboring him, I'm 100 percent that they got their prints While booking them.
so, did Daron Wints do this all on his own, or, was there someone else whose finger prints are not in the system?

Or...is law enforcement waiting for the water holder to crack, before arresting him?

I would think, that all of the "helpers" found in the car with Daron Wints are nervous.
maybe nervous enough to talk and tell the truth about what they know.

There is a pretty big reward.
much bigger then $2,500. If they even got that from Daron Wints.

No matter how this is solved. My heart bleeds for this family that, never, ever should have been tortured and killed. I'm sure that they felt safe in America. Is this another 72 hour time out post?

Is it?

 

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[corundogs]

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[jd dickinson]

Well, since W-1 got the money from the accountant or whoever it was that took it out of the bank...he already had confirmation from that person that he was to drop it off.

I just wouldn't take my boss's instructions, that has also been relayed to me by another AIW person of authority, and decide I need to do something different. Especially not with a bunch of cash!

NONE OF MY DAMN BUSINESS! But if you want to question your boss's instructions, hope that works out for ya! You may save their lives if they are being held captive by a mad man...or you may just lose your job! LOL!!!

BBM

I wouldn't assume that the accountant / CFO knew that it was a dropoff in the Mosler. His piece of the puzzle may have been "give the cash to W-1 and let W-1 bring it to me at my house." Then, W-1 has the instruction to call 10 minutes from the house. In that call, he's told to put the cash in the Mosler.

If I have that right, then I'd realize in W-1's position that he was out on his own and that the arrangement wasn't what he and the accountant / CFO first thought it was. So, I'd question it the more and wonder if I was being played for some reason by SS.

I'm also someone who asks a lot of questions and am hard to manage, so I'm probably unsuited for this sort of job. I haven't had a direct boss / employer in decades, so I realize that I'm not accustomed to bowing and scraping. All the same, even without my personality in the picture, I'd like to think that any adult would realize that there was something very wrong about the request, and to question it. Don't just follow orders at all times!

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Your portrayal of the driver is making me less suspicious of his lies. In addition to perhaps feeling guilty along the lines of "I should have known something was wrong," he probably feels terrible about having missed that last call. I did notice that the gap between the missed call 11:45 a.m and his call back at 1:40ish is a time period that might have been his regular lunch break.

I look forward to learning more about him though, I'm not totally convinced he wasn't involved in some fashion.

It's not clear in the article, but it may have been the reporter's call to W1 that is mentioned in that article in not being returned.

 

[TexMex]

W-1 rang SS's phone 10 minutes before he got there. He could have asked SS to step outside quietly so he could hand the money over in person.

I get that he was following orders, and I get that SS may have been persuasive with the cover story. But, I wouldn't like it. If I couldn't persuade SS to step outside, I think I might call up the accountant and describe the arrangement to him. I'd want someone else other than SS to tell me that what I was doing was OK, if nothing else to cover my in the event that the cash went missing.

No, ransom for home invasion would not be the first thing to jump to my mind. But, I would be struck by the fact that SS was determined not to receive the money directly from me, and this would bother me until I could believe a good reason why not or at least have someone else in authority tell me that I was crazy for worrying about it.

My first thought would probably be that SS was stealing from his own company and didn't want the handoff to be in person. I wouldn't want to be part of what could be a felony. In fact, I'd wonder if I were being set up as a fall guy in some weird scheme.

I don't think the newly hired driver, who was given specific instructions from his boss, is going to have the AIW accountant's phone number much less call him/her. He left the money inside a car inside the garage of the family home. He sees the cars are all there, everything seems fine, people are home and will certainly retrieve the money very soon He's been told not to ring the bell because: a) the boy is sick, b) my wife is sleeping c) I'm on a conference call d) all of the above. What could be wrong about giving SS his own money from his own business after a company exec hands it to him after a trip to BOA? So he follows instructions

 

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[K.jill]

Can someone provide a glossary of the W's & D's?

It would be great if someone could do this! I am not sure it is possible but it would be nice. I am certainly not the one to do it...I am so confused I can't make up my mind as to who W1 and W2 are referring to.