Identified! DE - Bear, WhtFem 16-25, UP7097, pregnant, in laundry bag, Mar'67 - NamUs removed

  • #521
I know law enforcement located the family members in 2011, but have they tried getting into contact with them again in the years since? I can't help but shake the feeling that these people hold the key to her identity.
 
  • #522
I know law enforcement located the family members in 2011, but have they tried getting into contact with them again in the years since? I can't help but shake the feeling that these people hold the key to her identity.

It doesn't sound like it, that's why I suggested an organization like DDP or Parabon take another look. For all we know, they are, but there's no mention that investigators have an ongoing search, like researchers did for Dawn Beaudin, whose link to NH took years before something finally popped up, IIRC. Her search angel kept at it.
Like I stated previously, it's been years and new family trees and closer familial matches may have been added to databases since their initial attempts to ID her family.
 
  • #523
it's been years and new family trees and closer familial matches may have been added to databases since their initial attempts to ID her family.
Hear, hear! Kudos to the agency for choosing this route almost ten years ago -they were way ahead of their time!- , but do we know how far back or how immediate the maternal link is? Has this ever been disclosed?

Seems like most people have interpreted this "maternal link" clue as an immediate link, and not considered that it might go back several generations, or even centuries! And then you have the possibility that Miss X was an illegitimate or adopted child herself, or just simply came from dysfunctional/estranged family (ala Mary Silvani). I have also thought she might've been in an abusive relationship, estranged from family and friends by her partner, and that he was the one who dumped her body after she died. JMO.

I would even consider her being an immigrant and the family link were another branch of her family immigrating to the US at an earlier point (like several generations back), therefore having little to no contact with the family back in the motherland. Also JMO.
 
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  • #524
I'll be honest and say that I personally don't know a single one of my GEDMatch or FamilyTreeDNA relatives, and that's in 2020, let alone 2011, so I can see why they might've had trouble.
 
  • #525
I'll be honest and say that I personally don't know a single one of my GEDMatch or FamilyTreeDNA relatives, and that's in 2020, let alone 2011, so I can see why they might've had trouble.

It's how a long lost brother found us, thanks to one of my paternal first cousin once removed putting her DNA out there, so it can happen.
 
  • #526
Hear, hear! Kudos to the agency for choosing this route almost ten years ago -they were way ahead of their time!- , but do we know how far back or how immediate the maternal link is? Has this ever been disclosed?

Seems like most people have interpreted this "maternal link" clue as an immediate link, and not considered that it might go back several generations, or even centuries! And then you have the possibility that Miss X was an illegitimate or adopted child herself, or just simply came from dysfunctional/estranged family (ala Mary Silvani). I have also thought she might've been in an abusive relationship, estranged from family and friends by her partner, and that he was the one who dumped her body after she died. JMO.

I would even consider her being an immigrant and the family link were another branch of her family immigrating to the US at an earlier point (like several generations back), therefore having little to no contact with the family back in the motherland. Also JMO.

No, they never disclosed how close the relationship was, only that it was maternal.
 
  • #527
It doesn't sound like it, that's why I suggested an organization like DDP or Parabon take another look. For all we know, they are, but there's no mention that investigators have an ongoing search, like researchers did for Dawn Beaudin, whose link to NH took years before something finally popped up, IIRC. Her search angel kept at it.
Like I stated previously, it's been years and new family trees and closer familial matches may have been added to databases since their initial attempts to ID her family.

I guess it's also possible that LE found her relatives through CODIS or other LE DNA dbases and didn't actually use genealogical research, which was much less common in 2011. @othram seems like a good option as DNA that old could perhaps be very difficult to work with.
 
  • #528
I guess it's also possible that LE found her relatives through CODIS or other LE DNA dbases and didn't actually use genealogical research, which was much less common in 2011. @othram seems like a good option as DNA that old could perhaps be very difficult to work with.

Wow, this case sounds terrible. We will try to reach out.
 
  • #529
I wish we knew more about these family members. As far as I'm aware, LE has never stated if any of these people were even alive back when Miss X was found.
 
  • #530
I guess it's also possible that LE found her relatives through CODIS or other LE DNA dbases and didn't actually use genealogical research, which was much less common in 2011. @othram seems like a good option as DNA that old could perhaps be very difficult to work with.

No, they used forensic genealogy, it wasn't through CODIS, etc. I won't say it's the case that got the ball rolling on such searches, but it was one of the first ones I'd ever heard of being used on an unidentified remains case.
 
  • #531
I wish we knew more about these family members. As far as I'm aware, LE has never stated if any of these people were even alive back when Miss X was found.

IIRC, investigators didn't divulge anything more than it was a maternal relationship, and where these relatives were found, not the kinship. So we don't know if contactees were around when she would have been alive, but I would hope if they weren't around that they reached out to older relatives who would have been. I know if it had been me contacted, I'd be on the horn to aunts, uncles, and older distant cousins, asking questions.
 
  • #532
  • #533
othram...any luck reaching out?
 
  • #534
Still in progress. We will update when something changes!
 
  • #535
If the red hair ribbon or laundry bag still exist, I would think DNA might be there...
The laundry bag is important...stamped NJ and body found in DE, a close neighboring state right over the Delaware Memorial Bridge which leads out of NJ and into DE. From there, Bear, DE is a straight drive down RT 13. Porter road, at that time, was more secluded. I think the person had to be familiar with the general area.
 
  • #536
I'm going with the posts by Bombshell in August 2019. Searches I've done on ancestry found family pics of Janice K. Taylor of Warner NH. Although she is younger, there seems to be a resemblance to our JD. Her parents have both passed but she has older sisters. While FindaGrave has no record of a burial place, I found a pic of monument for her on ancestry. Janice Kay 1949-1968. My thoughts are that someone in the family placed this as a remembrance of her without it being recorded in cemetery records. Im my mind it all seems to line up.
 
  • #537
It would be interesting to know if the relatives with the maternal linkage were related to this Janice Taylor..
 
  • #538
IIRC, investigators didn't divulge anything more than it was a maternal relationship, and where these relatives were found, not the kinship. So we don't know if contactees were around when she would have been alive, but I would hope if they weren't around that they reached out to older relatives who would have been. I know if it had been me contacted, I'd be on the horn to aunts, uncles, and older distant cousins, asking questions.
I would do the same as well. What I wonder though is if her mom was a unwed teen mother. I've seen on shows like Unsolved Mysteries women who were forced to put up their baby for adoption. If Mom's not alive anymore then she may have been the only one to know in her family about her existence.

That's a good point that the relatives who didn't know who she was could have not been alive at the time of her death.
 
  • #539
Is the above mentioned referencing Janis Louise Taylor of NH found on Namus? If so, I can see similarities.
 
  • #540
Didnt DNA say that she was Italian, at least on her maternal side? Would that match Janice?
 

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