DE - Three dead in Bavarian hotel crossbow murder mystery

[dotr]

Five medieval-obsessed enthusiasts dead in mystery German crossbow killings | Daily Mail Online

Torsten W., 53, had been running a medieval shop in his hometown selling swords, axes, knives, flags and clothing as well as mead

"Torsten W. had for the past five months owned a shop called 'Milites Conductius' that sold medieval-style swords, axes, knives, flags and clothing as well as mead, Bild said.

On display at his shop in Rhineland-Palatinate state was a bizarre female mannequin wearing suspenders, tied with ropes and chains, smeared with red paint and its head bandaged."

"Torsten W.'s former landlord Alexander Kruger told RTL he always saw the older man with a 'lesbian couple,' adding: 'They all wore black, had their eyebrows painted black.'
Kruger told the broadcaster he had noticed Torsten W.'s 'harsh' treatment of the women and had been prompted to call the police on one occasion.

But when he spoke with the police he explained to RTL: 'The police gave me to understand that this person does not exist under the name.'

Kruger said he began noticing a man sneaking around his property and when confronted, he explained he was a private detective hired by the parents of one of the women with Torsten W. to locate her. "

 

[LadyL]

Torsten sounds like bad news IMO.
I feel bad for the 19 year-old getting caught up with these people and her parents who were trying to save her.

 

[dotr]

May 15 2019
Germany crossbow killings: Police investigate sectarian links between victims
"According to local media RTL Germany, which cited sources close to the investigation, the man is believed to have acted as a ''guru'' for the group, in which members shared intimate relationships. Some victims had severed links with their families, RTL reported. According to the German newspaper Bild, all victims were also members of a knights tournament league, which organised jousting fights.

''There is no element proving that the people present [in the hotel] had fought,'', the Bavarian police said on Tuesday, indicating that the suicidal pact option was, therefore, the most likely."

 

[nyonge]

The 'cultish sex circle' at centre of German crossbow massacre: Medieval-obsessed lesbian shot 'slave-master' in the heart in murder-suicide as pictures reveal his bizarre shop with a bloodstained mannequin, Knights Templar flag and weaponry (Daily Mail)

• Five found dead in two locations in Germany, at least three killed with crossbow

• It is thought Farina Caspari, 30, killed 53-year-old Torsten Weiss and 33-year-old Kerstin Enders with a bolt through the heart before shooting herself in the neck

• Police then found Farina's partner, Gertrud C, 35, dead alongside Carina U, 19

• Women knew each other through Weiss, who was described as a domineering man who isolated them from their families and treated them 'like slaves'

• He owned a medieval shop with a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter

Germany's mysterious crossbow massacre, five deaths which have baffled police and enthralled the nation, revolved around a cultish sex circle with a focus on the Middle Ages, it was revealed today.

A macabre picture is emerging of the lives of those who died, at two locations, in what police believe is a grand murder-suicide between people who shared a passion for Medieval alchemy and weaponry.

The case so far revolves around Farina Caspari, 30, who was the last one alive before she turned a crossbow on herself and shot a bolt through her neck, and Torsten Weiss, 53, who has been described as a domineering figure who treated women 'like slaves' and ran a medieval-themed shop filled with weapons, Knights Templar flags and a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter.

Weiss appeared to have controlled the four women like a harsh sect leader who used physical force and psychological manipulation, Bild daily and RTL television reported.
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more, plenty of pics

 

[dotr]

The 'cultish sex circle' at centre of German crossbow massacre: Medieval-obsessed lesbian shot 'slave-master' in the heart in murder-suicide as pictures reveal his bizarre shop with a bloodstained mannequin, Knights Templar flag and weaponry (Daily Mail)

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  • Five found dead in two locations in Germany, at least three killed with crossbow

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  • It is thought Farina Caspari, 30, killed 53-year-old Torsten Weiss and 33-year-old Kerstin Enders with a bolt through the heart before shooting herself in the neck

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  • Police then found Farina's partner, Gertrud C, 35, dead alongside Carina U, 19

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  • Women knew each other through Weiss, who was described as a domineering man who isolated them from their families and treated them 'like slaves'

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  • He owned a medieval shop with a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter

Germany's mysterious crossbow massacre, five deaths which have baffled police and enthralled the nation, revolved around a cultish sex circle with a focus on the Middle Ages, it was revealed today.

A macabre picture is emerging of the lives of those who died, at two locations, in what police believe is a grand murder-suicide between people who shared a passion for Medieval alchemy and weaponry.

The case so far revolves around Farina Caspari, 30, who was the last one alive before she turned a crossbow on herself and shot a bolt through her neck, and Torsten Weiss, 53, who has been described as a domineering figure who treated women 'like slaves' and ran a medieval-themed shop filled with weapons, Knights Templar flags and a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter.

Weiss appeared to have controlled the four women like a harsh sect leader who used physical force and psychological manipulation, Bild daily and RTL television reported.
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more, plenty of pics

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German police are investigating five deaths more than 400 miles apart which they say are linked, but are not sure how. The case has captivated the nation

 

[Mind your biscuits]

The 'cultish sex circle' at centre of German crossbow massacre: Medieval-obsessed lesbian shot 'slave-master' in the heart in murder-suicide as pictures reveal his bizarre shop with a bloodstained mannequin, Knights Templar flag and weaponry (Daily Mail)

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  • Five found dead in two locations in Germany, at least three killed with crossbow

• 
  
  
  • It is thought Farina Caspari, 30, killed 53-year-old Torsten Weiss and 33-year-old Kerstin Enders with a bolt through the heart before shooting herself in the neck

• 
  
  
  • Police then found Farina's partner, Gertrud C, 35, dead alongside Carina U, 19

• 
  
  
  • Women knew each other through Weiss, who was described as a domineering man who isolated them from their families and treated them 'like slaves'

• 
  
  
  • He owned a medieval shop with a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter

Germany's mysterious crossbow massacre, five deaths which have baffled police and enthralled the nation, revolved around a cultish sex circle with a focus on the Middle Ages, it was revealed today.

A macabre picture is emerging of the lives of those who died, at two locations, in what police believe is a grand murder-suicide between people who shared a passion for Medieval alchemy and weaponry.

The case so far revolves around Farina Caspari, 30, who was the last one alive before she turned a crossbow on herself and shot a bolt through her neck, and Torsten Weiss, 53, who has been described as a domineering figure who treated women 'like slaves' and ran a medieval-themed shop filled with weapons, Knights Templar flags and a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter.

Weiss appeared to have controlled the four women like a harsh sect leader who used physical force and psychological manipulation, Bild daily and RTL television reported.
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more, plenty of pics

What the..... Shades of Charles Manson in this story. I wonder how many people are in this weird group. The story gets stranger by the day!

 

[Gardenista]

The 'cultish sex circle' at centre of German crossbow massacre: Medieval-obsessed lesbian shot 'slave-master' in the heart in murder-suicide as pictures reveal his bizarre shop with a bloodstained mannequin, Knights Templar flag and weaponry (Daily Mail)

• 
  
  
  • Five found dead in two locations in Germany, at least three killed with crossbow

• 
  
  
  • It is thought Farina Caspari, 30, killed 53-year-old Torsten Weiss and 33-year-old Kerstin Enders with a bolt through the heart before shooting herself in the neck

• 
  
  
  • Police then found Farina's partner, Gertrud C, 35, dead alongside Carina U, 19

• 
  
  
  • Women knew each other through Weiss, who was described as a domineering man who isolated them from their families and treated them 'like slaves'

• 
  
  
  • He owned a medieval shop with a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter

Germany's mysterious crossbow massacre, five deaths which have baffled police and enthralled the nation, revolved around a cultish sex circle with a focus on the Middle Ages, it was revealed today.

A macabre picture is emerging of the lives of those who died, at two locations, in what police believe is a grand murder-suicide between people who shared a passion for Medieval alchemy and weaponry.

The case so far revolves around Farina Caspari, 30, who was the last one alive before she turned a crossbow on herself and shot a bolt through her neck, and Torsten Weiss, 53, who has been described as a domineering figure who treated women 'like slaves' and ran a medieval-themed shop filled with weapons, Knights Templar flags and a blood-spattered mannequin on the counter.

Weiss appeared to have controlled the four women like a harsh sect leader who used physical force and psychological manipulation, Bild daily and RTL television reported.
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more, plenty of pics

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

the DM article says no crossbows or bolts were found at the scenes. Am I misreading? It is the DM, after all... And I won't say they were weird at all. Not right or wrong, just different. Until they started getting all killy. Then it was all kinds of wrong and ick.

Sad for those who really knew and loved any of these folks. They are the ones who are suffering now.

 

[nyonge]

the DM article says no crossbows or bolts were found at the scenes. Am I misreading? It is the DM, after all... And I won't say they were weird at all. Not right or wrong, just different. Until they started getting all killy. Then it was all kinds of wrong and ick.

Sad for those who really knew and loved any of these folks. They are the ones who are suffering now.

None found at the scene of the second-reported set of bodies, the two women in Wittingen.

 

[indicolite22]

The absence of defense wounds and no evidence of struggle could point to a suicide pact. But why? Were they in trouble for something?

 

[meanmaryjean]

The absence of defense wounds and no evidence of struggle could point to a suicide pact. But why? Were they in trouble for something?

I'm thinking more of a Heaven's Gate-type of group-think.

 

[indicolite22]

It looks like another member of the circle has committed suicide beforehand:

"Prosecutor Koblenz has confirmed the first suicide of a member of the martial arts group from Hachenburg in Rhineland-Palatinate on request of FOCUS Online. The man, who is said to have been a teacher according to information from FOCUS Online, took his own life on the A3 in 2016 in a provoked traffic accident. He threw himself in front of a passing truck."

Im direkten Umfeld des Armbrust-Toten gab es schon einmal einen Suizid

 

[dotr]

Very unfair to have done this at the hotel, it may affect the business and obviously it is a very gross and upsetting scene for the staff to discover, imo.
Hotel owner tells of gruesome moment he found bodies in the 'murder-suicide pact' in Germany | Daily Mail Online

From left to right: Kerstin Enders, Farina Caspari, Gertrud C and Carina U appear in this dark and bizarre photo
"Claus, whose family had run the hotel since the 1950s, said he saw two crossbows lying on the floor.

One was a large crossbow about two feet in length while the other was much smaller.

A third crossbow was still in a bag on the third single bed in the room.

He believes all three must have taken drugs to sedate themselves as no one in the hotel heard them scream out or make any noise."
"Claus said he is puzzled why the three chose his hotel to carry out the murder suicide and concerned it will put people off from staying.

'They have never stayed here before and did not say why they wanted to come here. The only thing they said was that they had a long drive.'"

 

[nyonge]

Pictured together: The four German Gothic 'sex slaves' of a medieval-obsessed 'cult leader' who used psychological manipulation in shocking 'crossbow murder-suicide' case

 

[worldwatcher]

Hi all,
Have been following this case through German msm from the beginning and didn't know there was a WS thread about it.
Today,I saw that the Dutch media picked up the news on the crossbow murders:

"Crossbow dead was leader of medieval sect '

The man who was found dead last week in Passau, Germany, with a crossbow arrow in his head, is said to have been the leader of a medieval folk cult. Two women were also found dead.


The man, Torsten W., is said to have treated the women around him like slaves. He would have been the leader of a sex group with a focus on the Middle Ages, German media report. Torsten and the two women were found in a hotel by an employee.

According to German media, Torsten lay hand in hand with a woman. She too had died and had an arrow in her body. A second woman lay on the floor with an arrow in her neck. The police are handling the case. A first line of investigation is that one of the three shot the other two, and then himself.

Two more dead women were found on Monday in Wittingen, Lower Saxony. The apartment where they were found was in the name of one of the three dead in Passau.

"She was constantly talking about him"
The 19-year-old Carina was a victim in Wittingen. She had martial arts lessons with Torsten and then joined him. Her parents told the German RTL their story: "She was constantly talking about Torsten," said the mother. And her father: "To this day, I don't understand how anyone can manipulate someone like that in a few weeks."

'Kruisboogdode was leider van middeleeuwse sekte'

Main source is Armbrust-Drama in Passau: Was wir über die Morde wissen - und was nicht

 

[indicolite22]

Latest on the investigation:

Detectives today believe Torsten Weiss, 53, and Kerstin Enders, 33, took drops of narcotics, similar to a date rape drug, before Farina Caspari, 30, shot them and then herself in Passau.

Caspari's girlfriend Gertrud C, 35, and Carina U, 19, who were discovered two days after the trio, are thought to have poisoned themselves at Caspari's apartment in Wittengen.

All five are understood to have believed they were 'World Renewers and World Heritage Producers' who thought they had been 'reborn' multiple times and that their deaths would transport them to a higher realm, Bild reported.

Members of German crossbow sex cult suicide pact took knock-out drops before they died | Daily Mail Online

 

[whereareyou]

Wow is all I can say about all that!

 

[dotr]

dbm

 

[meanmaryjean]

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