Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #1

[dark_shadows]

http://www.wptz.com/news/16041448/detail.html

The former NYPD detectives have been investigating dozens of deaths of young male college students found dead in the water. They believe there is a gang of people leaving smiley-faced symbols behind after they kill young men. The detectives found the smiley faces after several deaths in the Midwest.

I posted this on the Nick Garza thread.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

 

[Salem]

Shadow - I would love to help with this. I won't be able to get to it till the weekend. Maybe we can split the states up? I'm thinking I can send my stuff to you and you can figure out how to put it on the board? You appear much more computer literate than I am :crazy:

What is the best software to use? I have the basics - Word table format or Excel.

Also, I think we should add names and flush it out a bit. I also want to know how many of these were "dry" drownings. Not sure we can dig that up on everyone. However, it ticks me off that "drowning" is the COD, but there is no water in the lungs which could be an indication that they were gone before they hit the water.

Let me know what you think and how you want to coordinate.

Salem

Okay - Excel it is. I'll start this weekend, if not sooner and let you know which states.

Half of your response was over my head LOL :crazy: but that's okay, I have no problem leaving the techno stuff up to you

Salem

 

[Salem]

Okay - I meant to quote Shadowraith - not myself. How did that happen

Salem

 

[Salem]

SusieQ - would you mind posting the story about your ex in the Colorado thread? Or would you mind if I find it and quote it in that thread?

I know you said you didn't think it related, but I'm not so sure. Especially because we do have another potential case from CO. And if it does relate, that means the perp(s) are not infallible. I think it is important to remind ourselves and others that there may be slip ups sometimes.

There was one other story I saw in an email I think about a young man who was drugged, but made it home. Does anyone else remember that? I would like to move it to the appropriate thread, but I am drawing a complete blank. Maybe it was in the thread before we got the forum?

Thanks,

Salem

 

[SuziQ]

First it's come to where some people think someone isn't guilty unless there's direct forensics connecting them to a crime. Now LE is requiring a movie of the crime.

Good grief!

fran

You'll like this one. One of the ME's fancies himself a comedian. Hardy har har....

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing.html


The La Crosse County Medical Examiner has carefully analyzed the phenomenon of missing/drowned students and concluded the coincidental deaths are just a big joke:

"Yes I believe all the evidence suggests that there is a KILLER amongst us. And these men are dying at the Killer's hands along with thousands of other victims every year, and that Killer has a name, his name is Al Cohol."
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[fran]

I've been wondering for several years if at least SOME of these cases were related. Just because it seems too far fetched, doesn't mean it can't happen.

I'm not going to go into this too far, but I will say that at the time Joseph Duncan was arrested and we were looking into his background prior to him kidnapping the Groene children, I came across some pretty weird people, things, in the Minnesota area. When I did,.... seriously,... I immediately thought of these cases (as I had done some digging earlier about these drownings).

Like everyone else, I thought it was too far out there and have since thrown away everything. Since then many more young men have gone missing. Not just in Mn, Mi, and Wi, but several other states and cities too. I no longer have all my research, but even the internet being used works.

Now I'll wait and see if ANY of what I uncovered is related. So far what we've learned, is,..........well,..........interesting.

JMHO,
fran

 

[SuziQ]

Salem,
I don't think my ex-bf would have been a possible vic, he was 50 years old at the time. But his story about being drugged is creepy along with the stories others shared.

I think the below link is what you are looking for about the young man who made it home.

http://www.rivervalleyblogs.com/archives/january2006.php

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Jenkins, other victims' families speak out in the video on the right side of the page.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S426475.shtml?cat=1

Unbelievable! Minnesota LE told Jenkins that they will not arrest anyone unless they can provide LE with a picture or video of Chris Jenkin's murder.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

I think they could petition and get enough signatures to take it to the Grand Jury, couldn't they? If this evidence was presented there...then LE and the DA's office wouldn't have a choice if the GJ handed down an indictment.

 

[RR0004]

That ME should do a face to face with all the victims families.
This issue has been discussed for years and many have said, and I concur, LE was quick to chalk it off to alcohol related accidents. That, to them I guess, says it all. On the NY news it said the police officers (not sure if its the detectives) have asked for agencies across the country to re-examine their cases.
I read the GMA posts...some of the folks were begging for their loved ones' cases to be looked at. All those posts reminded me of the aftermath of 9/11...those searching for loved ones...

 

[SuziQ]

1:35 seconds into the below linked video (viewer is halfway down the page on the right) from the press junket held in (N.Y.?) today, Josh Snells brother had this to say:

http://www.weau.com/news/headlines/18353369.html#

22-year-old Josh Snell from Hastings, Minnesota, disappeared in Eau Claire in June of 2005. His brother says he was in town for a wedding and later went to the bars. Snell was found four days later, pulled from the Chippewa River. Jon Snell says he doesn't believe his brother wandered into the water.
In a phone call with a friend "he said he was scared, that he was hiding in a brushy area, that he was running from someone, that he didn’t know who it was or how he was going to get away. (He said) he didn’t do anything, but he was terrified and he was scared for his life,” Jon Snell says.

I had not heard this fact before and it's not in print anywhere that I have seen. Although I'll double check.Below is a link to Josh's story.

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/2006/11/061205-josh-snell-22-eau-claire-wi.html

 

[RR0004]

OMG
I'll have to view it.

 

[SuziQ]

I read the GMA posts...some of the folks were begging for their loved ones' cases to be looked at. All those posts reminded me of the aftermath of 9/11...those searching for loved ones...

I saw that too. It is almost unbearable to read. Is that also where the comment was from someone saying that LE on the scene of a body recovery proclaimed it a drinking/drowning accident all the while the body was still being zipped into a bodybag in the background? The person who posted said sarcastically "You might want to actually look at the body before making that determination".

That is how quickly and irresponsibly, IMO, that LE wrote these cases off. Before the bodybags were zipped up and removed from the scene for crying out loud. I doubt that anyone, including the ME ever looked at these cases as a suspicious death.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That certainly is news, Suzi! That would be consistent with the other one they felt was being chased. Or in this case...hunted/stalked.

 

[RR0004]

This is too freaky!

 

[SuziQ]

Related Links

• La Crosse Police Dept. Press Release (page 1)
• La Crosse Police Dept. Press Release (page 2)

 

[fran]

You'll like this one. One of the ME's fancies himself a comedian. Hardy har har....

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing.html


The La Crosse County Medical Examiner has carefully analyzed the phenomenon of missing/drowned students and concluded the coincidental deaths are just a big joke:

"Yes I believe all the evidence suggests that there is a KILLER amongst us. And these men are dying at the Killer's hands along with thousands of other victims every year, and that Killer has a name, his name is Al Cohol."
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I'm sure the victim's families thought it was nice that he took their loved one's demise so lightly.

I guess after working with dead people for so long, he forgot about the bedside manner.

Very unprofessional.

fran

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Lacrosse, Wisconsin may be the best example of this debate. Seven college men have drowned there, in recent years. The police chief thinks they stumbled or fell into the river.

But the chief's wife is convinced a serial killer did it.

http://marksuppelsa.typepad.com/closerlook/2006/05/missing_drowned.html

 

[SuziQ]

I know some reading are probably skeptical. However, no one would have believed the below linked case could have happened either. This story still freaks me out.

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/041108/nei_267504580.shtml


Anchorage's Robert Hansen was a big game hunter who got tired of hunting until he came upon the novel idea of kidnapping, releasing and then hunting strippers in the Alaska bush.
From 1971 to 1983, Hansen killed around 26 women. Authorities only started wondering what was going on after hunters came across the nude body of one of his victims half buried in a sand bar on the Knik River in 1982. The Hansen murders are unique to the United States for two reasons: It was the only documented case of female victims flown into the wilderness, released and hunted down. And it was the first time a psychological profile was used as the basis for a search warrant, in this case of Hanson's residence.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow~ I have not heard of him before. Thanks, Suzi.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

An interesting read with some strange comments:

http://catskillcommentator.com/2008/04/26/investigators-close-in-on-smiley-face-murders/