Debate Thread for Caylee is alive

[krimekat]

I haven't read all the transcripts and I don't have the time too. ANYONE can lie to be in the spotlight. Not saying they are lying, but did you read the posts on Brandon thread that Casey may have had a miscarriage around July 2nd. Could that be what is in the trunk, could this be why she used a shovel (don't know that date).

Don't have time to read the transcripts but have time to be on this forum and post your opinions? Maybe you should redirect your energy to reading the transcripts and learn about what happened during June/July 2008 . . . moo.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Of course I, as well as everyone, hopes and wishes that Caylee is alive. If Caylee were adopted, then why hasn't the adoptive parent stepped forward? They haven't done anything wrong. Would they let an innocent person sit in jail, possibly be charged with murder, and allow this circus to continue? I just don't see that as a real possibility. They would also have to be hiding out with Caylee. Again, why? They didn't do anything wrong. I'm sorry to say that the thing that solidified it for me, without any doubt now, is that Caylee's car seat and babydoll were left in the car. I just think the evidence is overwhelming that the little angel is no longer with us. Feel free to try to change my mind,...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see this as worthy of debate anymore. With the entire family knowing there was decomp in that car, Casey telling wild squirrel stories to everyone about the decomp, and everything else stated in the last pages...they pretty much said it all.

To know that LE kept so much more for their actual case is quite disturbing. If this was the fluff of their investigation...they have plenty to charge and convict her eventually. Most of us know why they are waiting and it isn't because they don't have a case right now.

The family continues to cover this up for whatever reason and they are going to have to live with that decision. It only prolongs and clouds the justice for Caylee which now is up to total strangers to give her. OCSO, FBI, and TES will speak loud and clear for her.

It is difficult enough to realize she is gone, but quite another thing to realize the longer she is gone...the less there will be to find. Forget evidence. Forget the rest of it. It makes me so sad to think that bits and pieces will be all that is left by the time a searcher or someone accidently discovers her.

My hope is that someday this child will be returned and laid to rest properly instead of ending up on our UID list waiting for someone to finally claim her as family. (I would suggest people need to go read the cases there to see the other side of WS and what we normally work with around here. It is a dose of reality and why we possibly seem so cynical to many.)

 

[liltigress]

Casey climbed into the trunk of her car to miscarry? Or scooped this miscarriage up and dumped it in the trunk? How does one think (or even why?) that a miscarriage can account for human decomposition in the trunk of Casey's car along with mitochondrial DNA that is proven to be hair of a deceased Caylee?

Oh..
My..
God..

The party when Casey ran into Brandon was the ABC party back in May. The supposed miscarriage was obviously before that. What would she do with a miscarriage for .. at least 3 months?

 

[magic-cat]

I hardly think a miscarriage would have hair of the length, texture and color of Caylees, with a death ring around the roots...Are there any REAL theories that make sense about Caylee being alive that anyone has heard? Because I have not heard one that makes a bit of sense, more so than cadaver dogs possibly "hitting" on a diarhea diaper? WHAT? If that is all the hope that there is, then there is no hope...The facts of science cannot be denied by desires of fantasy...

Respectfully and in my opinion only-

 

[monoxide]

The only way that I would believe she was still alive is if law enforcement came forward and said the information that was leaked to the media was 100% false. If that doesn't happen then I will keep my belief that Caylee is long gone

 

[Amster]

OMG....where are these moonbat theories coming from?? She "disappeared" for 90 minutes at a party to have a miscarriage?? She was more likely "with" some man meat(as she describes good looking guys) or smoking some weed...rather than hiding a fetus in her trunk!! OMG..

 

[Meagain]

So Casey is willing to go through all this and stare down a murder trial and a strong chance of going to prison for the rest of her life (or the death penalty) - to hide the fact that she adopted out her kid?

Uhhh.... How is this logical?

 

[TxLady2]

I want to shoot this theory down once and for all. I live in Florida and anyone who would leave their child in a car would be commiting murder!! It was the middle of June! You don't leave your dog in the car down here without the air conditioning running.

Excuse me for butting in, but it has happened. I live in Texas, it's HOT in the summer... yet parents have left their kids in the car and just forgot, or let too much time pass or just didn't care. One man went to work and left his baby in the car and worked all day... the baby was dead when he came back to the car... he was supposed to take the baby to daycare and forgot that... it was not his usual routine, so it slipped his mind. He was devastated when he realized what he did, and admitted it right off the bat.
The point is... it does happen, all the time. Casey is irresponsible... she was smoking pot... who can say this didn't happen?

 

[TxLady2]

Question: Is there a statement from OCSO that says that the hair definitely had the death band? Or is this just a theory? All I remember seeing so far has been that they have "confidence" that the evidence points to it "most likely" being Caylee. That to me does not say they are 100% positive.
As to the other evidence... they will need to have proof that proves that Casey is the one who placed the body in the trunk. Until they can have proof that it was Casey, that establishes reasonable doubt. All this other stuff.. the lying, theft, partying... none of that proves that she murdered anyone. Without the body and some proof that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk... they aren't going to charge her with homicide. Baez is trying to establish reasonable doubt by putting out these rumors of her being sold or kidnapped and taken to PR. And apparently, he's doing fairly well... because there are still some who want to believe Caylee is not gone from this world.
I am skeptical by nature. I have been on a jury before... I have to have proof in order to convict. So far, I haven't seen absolute proof. So that is why I still have hope that she is alive. Not MUCH hope, unfortunately... but a glimmer of hope nonetheless.

 

[PaulaF513]

Question: Is there a statement from OCSO that says that the hair definitely had the death band? Or is this just a theory? All I remember seeing so far has been that they have "confidence" that the evidence points to it "most likely" being Caylee. That to me does not say they are 100% positive.
As to the other evidence... they will need to have proof that proves that Casey is the one who placed the body in the trunk. Until they can have proof that it was Casey, that establishes reasonable doubt. All this other stuff.. the lying, theft, partying... none of that proves that she murdered anyone. Without the body and some proof that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk... they aren't going to charge her with homicide. Baez is trying to establish reasonable doubt by putting out these rumors of her being sold or kidnapped and taken to PR. And apparently, he's doing fairly well... because there are still some who want to believe Caylee is not gone from this world.
I am skeptical by nature. I have been on a jury before... I have to have proof in order to convict. So far, I haven't seen absolute proof. So that is why I still have hope that she is alive. Not MUCH hope, unfortunately... but a glimmer of hope nonetheless.

So do I. Granted the situation sounds grim indeed, but a dead body hasn't been found. I keep looking at the total aplomb of Casey....and yes, I know she's a pathological liar according to her own mother....There is not one scintilla of fear or anxiety or remorse.

I still hold out the hope that she gave the child up for adoption to spite her mother...and a mandatory waiting period has yet to expire that will disallow a challenge to the adoption.

 

[liltigress]

So do I. Granted the situation sounds grim indeed, but a dead body hasn't been found. I keep looking at the total aplomb of Casey....and yes, I know she's a pathological liar according to her own mother....There is not one scintilla of fear or anxiety or remorse.

I still hold out the hope that she gave the child up for adoption to spite her mother...and a mandatory waiting period has yet to expire that will disallow a challenge to the adoption.

If Casey legally adopted out Caylee, there is nothing that can be done about that. The moment she would have put her name in ink, is the moment she would have signed George and Cindy's rights away. Period.

Besides the fact that a legal adoption, someone would have stepped forward by now. Probably with an illegal adoption too.

 

[PaulaF513]

Casey is a 22 year old who has always been completely dependent upon her parents. From what I've read, she apparently wanted to give her baby up for adoption at birth but was persuaded by her mother to keep the child. She apparently has always been greatly influenced by her mom. So it could have made sense to her to do something that her mother could not alter once she found out. Obviously, she's not a great thinker in advance or she would have come up with a more plausible story for Caylee's absence in the first place.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Carrying this link from another thread..

http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

 

[magic-cat]

That link certainly ends the debate. Iron clad proof is not a statement that CAN be argued with-is it?

 

[amethyst221]

Casey is a 22 year old who has always been completely dependent upon her parents. From what I've read, she apparently wanted to give her baby up for adoption at birth but was persuaded by her mother to keep the child. She apparently has always been greatly influenced by her mom. So it could have made sense to her to do something that her mother could not alter once she found out. Obviously, she's not a great thinker in advance or she would have come up with a more plausible story for Caylee's absence in the first place.

It's a circular argument to try to excuse Casey or support a theory that she didn't do anything "drastic" to Caylee by looking at her conduct of not being upset or troubled by events, and then comparing it to the conduct of a normal, feeling person or MOTHER in the same situation. She is far beyond just being a constant though not so skillful liar. She isn't in the same realm of feelings and behavior. This can't be analyzed with normal logic. Nothing suggests that it can. Hope is just hope and it's fine to have, but I don't think it can be based on Casey's lack of concern.

 

[Devorahhh]

ok Peeps, I have only read a little in this thread but I see right off one thing that needs to be cleared up. Casey was at the ABC party on Memorial Day Weekend when she ran into Brandon, with whom she a supposedly PREVIOULSY had a miscarriage. I have not seen the exact date that it happened, but it was before the end of may, heck, it could have been 6 months earlier for all anyone knows.
Another thing that needs clearing up is the Airport Theory. I noticed in another thread similar to this one that people said how can there be a gate C when there are only A & B terminals. Please look at this link and you will see there are Gates A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H.

http://www.orlandoairports.net/images/diagrams/terminal_layout_l.jpg

That's all for now folks. Keep the Peace!

 

[liltigress]

Carrying this link from another thread..

http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

"Iron clad proof, (triple checked) that Caylee's body was in that trunk, the position of the body and that strands of Caylee's hair fell out after she died and high levels of chloroform". Sounds pretty solid to me. They also say they are very close to determining the date the chloroform was searched on the computer.

 

[GizzySmith]

Respectfully, that is not correct. I personally spoke with a communications officer at Orlando International yesterday who clearly said "No, there is no Gate C anything". The gates are purely numbered 1-129. AirTran flies out of gates 60-99 in Terminal B, as indicated on the layout you provided. Someone previously produced a copy of the flight data which indicated the flight in question departed from B79 (which would be correct for an AirTran flight). The letters you are refering to in this layout represent ticketing locations within the airport. If you view a larger version of the layout, it does say that. Hypothetically, if there were a gate C5, according to this layout, it would be located in Terminal A, which according to this layout, AirTran does not fly out of. While I will gladly respect anyone's opinion that Caylee is alive, I will not be able to accept inaccurate information as proof.
ETA: Although in fairness, you do have to blow that picture up about 10x to see it clear enough to actually read.

THANKS
I am map challenged and this made it clear. I am also airport challenged. I once walked out a door in an airport and had to walk over a mile to get back in and had to go thru security again, I am a dork.

 

[liltigress]

I think the debate may be ending soon.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...thony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

The investigators' reports show that Casey Anthony's computer files included an image titled "girl" which depicts a drawing of a little girl with long straight hair and in a striped shirt staring up at a teddy bear that is hanging from a hangman's noose.

The caption reads: Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?