Debate Thread for Caylee is alive

[Brini]

Under this theory....and I really hope this one is true - because it would mean Caylee is alive and probably doing well......As desparate and despicable as KC can be....is it possible she sold her child????? I have such a hard time reconciling the loving pictures between mother adn daughter versus the pictures of KC partying adn her lack of emotion....Why haven't LE arrested KC for providing false info to the police? That is a crime in itself isn't it? Also, hindering an investigation? It would be harder to bail out of these charges and the facts already prove the charges don't they? JMO

Because that crime is related to the charges of homicide that are coming up. It will happen.

 

[Blink34]

Excellent summation.

I have tried to hang that poster on the wall about a hundred times.
I have come to the conclusion that regardless of any physical evidence presented in this case now or in trial if there is one, if her body is not found, the lines of division of who think she is dead and who does not, will stay almost exactly the same.

I do not understand that way of thinking, never will, but it is reality.

 

[Brini]

Do not read if squeamish.

Brini, you sound like you have some medical knowledge. I have had some experience and I am trying to remember about decomp smell. So my question is, for there to have been a strong enough odor in the trunk that at least 3 people noticed (Cindy, tow yard guy, and IIRC a LE) wouldn't there needed to have been some type of remains that does not dry (blood dries unless there is a lot)? I remember doing a autopsy visit and it seemed like the odor clung even to the skin. I have wanted to ask this for a long time, I really have not found anything doing an internet search, found more than I need to know and really didn't want to read it all.

You can assume there were damp tissues and body fluids in that trunk. There was maybe ten days worth of decomp (16th-26th, likely). Even if the fluids left in the trunk had completely dried out after the body was removed, anything they'd soaked would still stink to high heaven.

JMHO.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes but if you recall Cindy her self stated she introduced LE to TM ( TES ) as they didn't know of them .

Not true. Yes. Cindy did say it, but I know for a fact that OCSD and OPD were quite familiar with EquuSearch and their credentials before she "introduced" them. It was a very naive statement on her part.

 

[CHICANA]

That is a pro forma statement.

There's one contradiction for death. Life. Why did he make this statement if there's proof positive she's dead ?
Shouldn't he have said, "now that we've confirmed that Caylee is dead, this is no longer a missing person's case and we will be investigating it as a homicide" ?

I think the debate over LE confirming she was dead is over and they didn't.

They think she is and there is evidence that points to it, but it's not confirmed.

 

[kwmred]

Don't take this as what I think happened, I'm just throwing this out there to see what sticks.
This is way way out there as far as theories goes, btw.

Personally, I honestly have no theory, but since you brought up the reward perhaps it could go this way:

We know the guy offering the reward has ties to the industry and other questionable activities. Then in the backwards recordings Casey says something about a guy in and boys did this.
What if Casey was somehow involved, maybe did phone sex or something for this guy and had a friend, one she now refers to as "Zenaida", that also "worked" with her and sometimes watched Caylee for her. What if Casey and Zenaida either witnessed a murder, found out about a murder and/or other serious illegal activities, or just somehow involved in that and got in too deep.
Is it plausible that things got seriously screwed up and "Zenaida" and Casey decided to have Zenaida take off with Caylee and go into hiding until things settled down or someone else went to jail and they felt safe again to come home? What if this guy offered this reward just to lull someone into a false sense of security or to get someone to rat out the hiding place?
Now with Caylee and Zenaida off in hiding and Casey in protective custody(I know she's at home, but still protected), Casey can be as smug as she wants to be because she knows she, Caylee and Zenaida all three are safe.

Like I said, I know the reality of this situation is that this is not the way things went down, but since you brought up the reward, this thought popped out.

Putting aside any forensic evidence, I would still have a problem with this because:

Casey wasn't protected for a whole month after Caylee went missing.

 

[CHICANA]

Not true. Yes. Cindy did say it, but I know for a fact that OCSD and OPD were quite familiar with EquuSearch and their credentials before she "introduced" them. It was a very naive statement on her part.

On Tony Padilla's thread, a poster kept insisting that he have LP talk to the Anthony's about TES. This poster has connections to TES and made it clear that TES would not get involved without contact from the FAMILY, not LE. TP suggested that CA might already have done that and the poster had been in contact with TES and knew that wasn't the case. TP contacted LP or CA and the Anthony's called TES. That call was the only reason TES became involved in the search.

 

[CHICANA]

The only real emotion I noticed in the interviews was when Casey was adamant that she would not sell her child and that if she really wanted to just get rid of Caylee she could have left her with her mom and given her custody. I don't know if it means she was telling the truth about it, but there was definitely emotion/passion in her voice when she said it.

 

[FootballMom]

They think she is and there is evidence that points to it, but it's not confirmed.

:clap:

They don't have to buy time. They have all the tme they want. The can charge KC now, or 50 years from now.

I think you misunderstood my intent. I understand there is no statute of limitations for murder. IMA- LE wants Caylee found (alive or deceased) as quickly as possible and will take whatever steps necessary to achieve that goal. I have not seen nor read anywhere that LE has changed Caylee's status from a missing person to a murder investigation. I am happy to stand corrected if there is an official word.

 

[Boston]

FACTS

Caylee Anthony is missing for 31 days & Casey NEVER reports it.

Casey Anthony gives her account of what happened to Caylee & every word of it has been proven to be a lie.

While Caylee was missing Casey moves in with her boyfriend, goes clubbing, steals money from a friend, gets a Tattoo & deletes photos of Caylee.

Cindy Anthony - "I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car"

George Anthony - "I thought maybe Casey had run over something"

LE - "There was a strong odor of human decomposition"

Tow Yard Owner - "The Anthony's trunk smelled just like a car we once had in which a man had committed suicide"

2 Cadaver Trained Dogs gave "Positive Hits" for human remains


"Air samples taken from Casey Anthony's car confirm that there was a decomposing human body inside the trunk"


"investigators for the first time on the record acknowledged that recent FBI lab tests indicated that Caylee Anthony's body was in her mother's trunk and that the child is dead"

"traces of Chloroform have been found in Casey's Anthony's trunk"

"Casey Anthony had performed Internet searches for Chloroform uses on her computer"


Based on the above information I believe that Caylee Anthony is dead & that she was murdered by her mother.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

respectfully.... that statement does not say she is dead.... only that it would be something that they'd take seriously.

Respectfully, no, it actually does say it. You imply it says "would if it were true". It says she WAS in the trunk of that car. She IS dead. We DO take it seriously.

Originally Posted by shannon718:

"The information we've gotten back from the lab that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously," said Orange County Sheriff's Office Sgt. John Allen.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html

 

[kwmred]

The only real emotion I noticed in the interviews was when Casey was adamant that she would not sell her child and that if she really wanted to just get rid of Caylee she could have left her with her mom and given her custody. I don't know if it means she was telling the truth about it, but there was definitely emotion/passion in her voice when she said it.

I think she was getting PO'd at that point. IMO she's never had anyone that she couldn't lie to and get away with it. I mean, she HAS gotten away with it for a long time. Look at how many people she fooled with the whole "I work for Universal and I graduated from Valencia" lies.

 

[capoly]

IMO Caylee is deceased. After watching the dynamics of the Anthony family,I feel that were Caylee taken by someone, Casey would have run back to her family immediately knowing fullwell that G & C's concern for Caylee would override any anger/issues they had with her regarding the stolen funds from the grandparents. I do not believe that Casey feared Cindy's reaction over a missing Caylee. After the last few weeks of seeing Casey in action, I do believe that Casey would have utilized a missing Caylee to her advantage knowing she would have received the same forgiveness and support she is receiving from G & C now.

A deceased Caylee, I believe, would be the only explanation for Casey's fear and month long separation from this very co-dependent family.

 

[FootballMom]

Respectfully, no, it actually does say it. You imply it says "would if it were true". It says she WAS in the trunk of that car. She IS dead. We DO take it seriously.

I respect your position of his statement and I can see your interpretation clearly, it is not without merit. However - I am simply suggesting that there is an alternative interpretation of his statement that includes the subsequent interview with Commander Irwin.

 

[CHICANA]

Respectfully, no, it actually does say it. You imply it says "would if it were true". It says she WAS in the trunk of that car. She IS dead. We DO take it seriously.

Yes that does sound horrible, but you're not providing the other key statement.

“If any evidence to the contrary is provided, it will be vigorously pursued,” the statement from Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

How can there be evidence to the contrary of dead ??
How can he say she's dead then a minute later say "but if there's any evidence she's alive we will vigorously investigate it."
There can't, so his statement that she was dead was retracted with the latter comment.

 

[CHICANA]

I think she was getting PO'd at that point. IMO she's never had anyone that she couldn't lie to and get away with it. I mean, she HAS gotten away with it for a long time. Look at how many people she fooled with the whole "I work for Universal and I graduated from Valencia" lies.

Maybe, but she didn't get angry when confronted with the other lies.

 

[Brini]

:clap:




I think you misunderstood my intent. I understand there is no statute of limitations for murder. IMA- LE wants Caylee found (alive or deceased) as quickly as possible and will take whatever steps necessary to achieve that goal. I have not seen nor read anywhere that LE has changed Caylee's status from a missing person to a murder investigation. I am happy to stand corrected if there is an official word.

That LE would do anything to find Caylee, think you are right.

You'll find the statement LE made when they announced that they were no longer looking for a missing peson posted to this thread.

Thanks!

 

[CHICANA]

That LE would do anything to find Caylee, think you are right.

You'll find the statement LE made when they announced that they were no longer looking for a missing peson posted to this thread.

Thanks!

Was it the same one that gave contradicting statements ?

 

[Brini]

There's one contradiction for death. Life. Why did he make this statement if there's proof positive she's dead ?
Shouldn't he have said, "now that we've confirmed that Caylee is dead, this is no longer a missing person's case and we will be investigating it as a homicide" ?

I think the debate over LE confirming she was dead is over and they didn't.

They think she is and there is evidence that points to it, but it's not confirmed.

No, they are not gonna conform it, until they get to court, or they find the body. That's just how it's done.

 

[Brini]

There's one contradiction for death. Life. Why did he make this statement if there's proof positive she's dead ?
Shouldn't he have said, "now that we've confirmed that Caylee is dead, this is no longer a missing person's case and we will be investigating it as a homicide" ?

I think the debate over LE confirming she was dead is over and they didn't.

They think she is and there is evidence that points to it, but it's not confirmed.

But, that WILL say they take the evidence of death "very seriously."