Debate Thread for Caylee is alive

[Brini]

There's one contradiction for death. Life. Why did he make this statement if there's proof positive she's dead ?
Shouldn't he have said, "now that we've confirmed that Caylee is dead, this is no longer a missing person's case and we will be investigating it as a homicide" ?

I think the debate over LE confirming she was dead is over and they didn't.

They think she is and there is evidence that points to it, but it's not confirmed.

So. who do you think the body in the trunk was?

 

[Brini]

I can only take a guess if that's ok?

I would think as a body decomposes and the fluids are released into the carpet of the car (assuming there is a type of carpet in the trunk) the fluids seep down into the carpet. If it was cleaned, and I would think it was (cleaning fluids from George) then that would be more of a surface cleaning. I don't see anyone pulling up the carpet to clean or replacing it. By that point, the decomp fluids were already doing their thing, KWIM?

Actually, I think you stated it better than I did. Thanks!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes that does sound horrible, but you're not providing the other key statement.

“If any evidence to the contrary is provided, it will be vigorously pursued,” the statement from Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

How can there be evidence to the contrary of dead ??
How can he say she's dead then a minute later say "but if there's any evidence she's alive we will vigorously investigate it."
There can't, so his statement that she was dead was retracted with the latter comment.

First, Capt. Nieves did not make the other statement...Sgt. John Allen did. Note the keywords in Nieves' sentence: ANY EVIDENCE. LE knows there is not going to be any evidence to show she is alive and can safely make that statement. While they are running two parallel investigations...their current stance is saying we are not going to show you all of our cards, be forced into filing charges yet, or turn this exclusively into a Homicide until we are ready to name her as a suspect then arrest her.

Originally Posted by shannon718:

"The information we've gotten back from the lab that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously," said Orange County Sheriff's Office Sgt. John Allen.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html

 

[FootballMom]

That LE would do anything to find Caylee, think you are right.

You'll find the statement LE made when they announced that they were no longer looking for a missing peson posted to this thread.

Thanks!

I couldn't find LE's missing person to murder statement. Can you help? thanks much!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So. who do you think the body in the trunk was?

And in the backyard of the A family's home?

 

[CHICANA]

So. who do you think the body in the trunk was?

I'm not sure there was a dead body in the trunk.
I heard decomposition from a human body. Blood, sweat, pus from an infection will decompose regardless of if the human body is alive or dead.
It's all in the wording and these detectives are smart, they know how to word things to get the effect that they want or put pressure on their suspect.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I'm not sure there was a dead body in the trunk.
I heard decomposition from a human body. Blood, sweat, pus from an infection will decompose regardless of if the human body is alive or dead.
It's all in the wording and these detectives are smart, they know how to word things to get the effect that they want or put pressure on their suspect.

So who was bleeding, sweating and pussing in the trunk?

 

[beaglebrd]

IMO Caylee is deceased. After watching the dynamics of the Anthony family,I feel that were Caylee taken by someone, Casey would have run back to her family immediately knowing fullwell that G & C's concern for Caylee would override any anger/issues they had with her regarding the stolen funds from the grandparents. I do not believe that Casey feared Cindy's reaction over a missing Caylee. After the last few weeks of seeing Casey in action, I do believe that Casey would have utilized a missing Caylee to her advantage knowing she would have received the same forgiveness and support she is receiving from G & C now.

A deceased Caylee, I believe, would be the only explanation for Casey's fear and month long separation from this very co-dependent family.

Exactly. IF she had been using the same nanny for all that time and suddenly the nanny took Caylee, how could anyone blame Casey???

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No, they are not gonna conform it, until they get to court, or they find the body. That's just how it's done.

I think they have confirmed it a few times, but in such a way that it leaves room for Baez to squirm with not having a way to legally ask for any of it.

 

[CHICANA]

First, Capt. Nieves did not make the other statement...Sgt. John Allen did. Note the keywords in Nieves' sentence: ANY EVIDENCE. LE knows there is not going to be any evidence to show she is alive and can safely make that statement. While they are running two parallel investigations...their current stance is saying we are not going to show you all of our cards, be forced into filing charges yet, or turn this exclusively into a Homicide until we are ready to name her as a suspect then arrest her.

Or it could mean the exact opposite. Right now, the evidence we have is enough for each of us to form our own opinions. Until the missing person's case is closed and/or CA is charged with murder, nothing is carved in stone.

 

[CHICANA]

I think they have confirmed it a few times, but in such a way that it leaves room for Baez to squirm with not having a way to legally ask for any of it.

I didn't think he could legally ask for it unless his client was charged.
One thing I do believe is that Cindy asked LE point blank if her grandaughter could be alive and they told her yes. If that's the case there's no 100% certainty.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't think he could legally ask for it unless his client was charged.
One thing I do believe is that Cindy asked LE point blank if her grandaughter could be alive and they told her yes. If that's the case there's no 100% certainty.

Did it ever seem like the A family hears what they want to hear? When did she ask? Who did she ask? What was the complete conversation because it is taken out of context in her comment? They do not have to tell the A family anything and I would not expect them to at this juncture.

You are correct. Until she is charged, he cannot ask for discovery in a Homicide investigation. His hands are tied at the moment knowing they have done all this testing towards that end and he cannot touch it. His motion was premature in requesting they stop the tests.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Or it could mean the exact opposite. Right now, the evidence we have is enough for each of us to form our own opinions. Until the missing person's case is closed and/or CA is charged with murder, nothing is carved in stone.

When you learn to read between the lines of what LE says and what LE is doing, you pick up quickly on why they handle these things the way they do. Everything so far points to LE having enough evidence to confirm it. To me, the stone is carved and we are only waiting on the sword to drop.

 

[CHICANA]

So who was bleeding, sweating and pussing in the trunk?

Who knows? We all bleed and sweat. My son's always leaving sweaty hoodies in my trunk. He also cut his chin open and there was blood in my car from the trip to the hospital. I remember when my c-section cut opened and became infected, I don't think anything ended up in my car that time, but when that wound started leaking, I remember plenty of oozing body fluids. It grosses me out just thinking about it.

God forbid my child would turn up missing, if some dumb dog hits on the blood in my car from his chin, LE might not look for him.
But unlike Casey, I'd submit to a polygraph.

 

[CHICANA]

When you learn to read between the lines of what LE says and what LE is doing, you pick up quickly on why they handle these things the way they do. Everything so far points to LE having enough evidence to confirm it. To me, the stone is carved and we are only waiting on the sword to drop.

Maybe, unfortunately I always wait til the last minute.
Didn't Judge Nopalito or whatever think LE was bluffing ?

 

[CHICANA]

Did it ever seem like the A family hears what they want to hear? When did she ask? Who did she ask? What was the complete conversation because it is taken out of context in her comment? They do not have to tell the A family anything and I would not expect them to at this juncture.

If they know for a fact that Caylee is dead and they told her it was possible she was alive they are nothing more than cruel,cold-hearted a-holes in my book.
And I don't care if it's their job.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't see what Judge N said, but from the way people refer to it...I am assuming he brought up how it was legal for them to lie to a suspect in order to obtain a confession or something similar. Yes. It is legal for them to do this and I have never supported this, personally.

However, LE is not going to lie about a child being dead in the trunk of her mother's car to the public. This simply is not going to happen. They would lose all credibility with the public after that statement and the harm would outweigh the good it would do towards a confession from Casey.

 

[Blink34]

When you learn to read between the lines of what LE says and what LE is doing, you pick up quickly on why they handle these things the way they do. Everything so far points to LE having enough evidence to confirm it. To me, the stone is carved and we are only waiting on the sword to drop.

I agree with this, it is in the paternal dna result. How sad that in her passing this child will know who her daddy was.

 

[CHICANA]

When you learn to read between the lines of what LE says and what LE is doing, you pick up quickly on why they handle these things the way they do. Everything so far points to LE having enough evidence to confirm it. To me, the stone is carved and we are only waiting on the sword to drop.

I learned to read between the lines when I learned that LE, government officials, etc could be just as corrupt if not more so than common criminals.
The only difference is they can get away with it.
I'm not slamming all of them. There's good and bad because they are just people.
They may have enough to confirm it, but until they do and clearly without the double talk, I have no way of knowing if this isn't just a bluff on their part or a strategic move.

After all the hype over the car, I think it would be pretty hard for them to admit that there wasn't a dead body in the trunk. IMO, this case is being tried in the media. That would be a huge blow to their credibility and even if the do get enought to arrest her, it could still hurt their case.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Who knows? We all bleed and sweat. My son's always leaving sweaty hoodies in my trunk. He also cut his chin open and there was blood in my car from the trip to the hospital. I remember when my c-section cut opened and became infected, I don't think anything ended up in my car that time, but when that wound started leaking, I remember plenty of oozing body fluids. It grosses me out just thinking about it.

God forbid my child would turn up missing, if some dumb dog hits on the blood in my car from his chin, LE might not look for him.
But unlike Casey, I'd submit to a polygraph.

See but we don't know if what they found in the trunk was actually any of these or was it something that only occurs after death. I guess that would be the question.