Debate Thread for Caylee is alive

[SeriouslySearching]

Exactly. IF she had been using the same nanny for all that time and suddenly the nanny took Caylee, how could anyone blame Casey???

This is true! No one could blame Casey in such a circumstance.

Now...if Casey could only prove the existence of such a person. Every person leaves a papertrail, a footprint, or something which can prove they exist. Someone has seen them, talked to them, or knows people who have. They shop (or use a shelter to get food), they have a place to live (if even on the street), they have transportation (or use public), and they all have DNA.

 

[monoxide]

She is worth so much more alive than dead

 

[CHICANA]

I didn't see what Judge N said, but from the way people refer to it...I am assuming he brought up how it was legal for them to lie to a suspect in order to obtain a confession or something similar. Yes. It is legal for them to do this and I have never supported this, personally.

However, LE is not going to lie about a child being dead in the trunk of her mother's car to the public. This simply is not going to happen. They would lose all credibility with the public after that statement and the harm would outweigh the good it would do towards a confession from Casey.

As I mentioned in my other post. After the det. testifying that he smelled a decomposing body in the trunk, it would be a huge blow to their credibility if it turns out there wasn't one.

 

[CHICANA]

See but we don't know if what they found in the trunk was actually any of these or was it something that only occurs after death. I guess that would be the question.

When it's answered I hope it's a clear answer because I'm tired of the statements always leaving a little wiggle room for doubt.

 

[CHICANA]

She is worth so much more alive than dead

I agree, but I get the feeling you have more to say on this.

 

[SewingDeb]

Won't this case remain a missing person's case until she is found (alive or dead)? She is unaccounted for.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

See but we don't know if what they found in the trunk was actually any of these or was it something that only occurs after death. I guess that would be the question.

Decomposition only occurs after death.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Won't this case remain a missing person's case until she is found (alive or dead)? She is unaccounted for.

No. They will eventually go ahead and charge her with what they already have if it is believed they won't find Caylee. They will close the MP case and let Homicide take over the case.

 

[CHICANA]

I really enjoyed the debate and I appreciate all of you who managed to keep your cool and not become combative, although I sensed some had to hold themselves back.
Really, it was amazing that we could all agree to disagree without any attacks.
I'm off to bed. Night.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with this, it is in the paternal dna result. How sad that in her passing this child will know who her daddy was.

It is terribly sad that it was obviously going to be witheld from her and she was probably going to be lied to about her father. This child needed a father more than anything in this life and was denied. I hope they do find a way to prove the paternity of Caylee in order to obtain her exact DNA.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Bravo! See...we can discuss this rationally! Nite!

 

[treeseeker]

Decomposition only occurs after death.

LE hasn't said exactly what the stain was, other than perhaps fluid from the nose or mouth. When I heard this, my first thought was vomit - amylase and possibly epithilial cells (the epis from another poster) All body fluids would decompose, and would contain similar chemical components to that of a dead body. I've read on the forum that there are chem. components unique to death, haven't checked that for myself yet.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I didn't think he could legally ask for it unless his client was charged.
One thing I do believe is that Cindy asked LE point blank if her grandaughter could be alive and they told her yes. If that's the case there's no 100% certainty.

I am assuming you have read what was said at the press conference. It is my tag line.

 

[treeseeker]

It is terribly sad that it was obviously going to be witheld from her and she was probably going to be lied to about her father. This child needed a father more than anything in this life and was denied. I hope they do find a way to prove the paternity of Caylee in order to obtain her exact DNA.

Determining paternity isn't necessary to obtain Caylee's DNA. Her DNA profile is probably already recorded with a lab re the JG paternity issue. Additionally, any number of items from the A's home could be used to obtain a full DNA profile.

 

[Advocate4]

Determining paternity isn't necessary to obtain Caylee's DNA. Her DNA profile is probably already recorded with a lab re the JG paternity issue. Additionally, any number of items from the A's home could be used to obtain a full DNA profile.

But finding Caylee's DNA in the car won't prove anything except that she has been in that car, which everyone already knows -- the DNA won't prove she is dead, as far as I understand.

 

[treeseeker]

But finding Caylee's DNA in the car won't prove anything except that she has been in that car, which everyone already knows -- the DNA won't prove she is dead, as far as I understand.

I didn't think DNA itself could indicate death, but some have said it could - there may be new technology able to do this. A live person leaves DNA traces via skin, hair, etc. pretty much anywhere they've been. Transfer via various items can happen pretty easily.

 

[Boston]

I'm not sure there was a dead body in the trunk.
I heard decomposition from a human body. Blood, sweat, pus from an infection will decompose regardless of if the human body is alive or dead.
It's all in the wording and these detectives are smart, they know how to word things to get the effect that they want or put pressure on their suspect.

When human tissue decomposes it releases 32 separate compounds in a gas form -

These compounds were detected in Casey's trunk

It wasn't blood, sweat or pus - It was decomposing Human Flesh.

This evidence alone is strong enough but when you take into account the fact that 2 Cadaver Dogs gave positive hits & 4 separate individuals gave statements that there was an odor of human decomposition in that trunk this evidence now becomes irrefutable.

I don't understand how you can doubt that there was a body in the trunk of Casey's car.

In my opinion this is no longer speculation it is a fact

 

[Boston]

I didn't think DNA itself could indicate death, but some have said it could - there may be new technology able to do this. A live person leaves DNA traces via skin, hair, etc. pretty much anywhere they've been. Transfer via various items can happen pretty easily.

When human hair falls out of a person who is deceased it has a dark ring around the base.

This is known as a "death band".

If the hairs that were found in Casey's trunk are proven to belong to Caylee through DNA & if they also have the "death band" then that is proof that Caylee is deceased

 

[krimekat]

But finding Caylee's DNA in the car won't prove anything except that she has been in that car, which everyone already knows -- the DNA won't prove she is dead, as far as I understand.

decomp proves she is dead

 

[SeriouslySearching]

But finding Caylee's DNA in the car won't prove anything except that she has been in that car, which everyone already knows -- the DNA won't prove she is dead, as far as I understand.

DNA won't prove she is dead. Decomposition is what proves she is dead. The paternity issue is at question. I realize they have her DNA profile for a match when they find her.