Debate Thread for Caylee is alive

  • #401
Why do some people want to grasp at straws? There is no way that Caylee is alive...it defies logic and sanity and all manner of reason, and why someone would want to put their energies into the utter absurdity of it is completely out of MY personal grasp...the facts are in line that show the poor child is dead...Let her rest in peace as she deserves...
 
  • #402
Here is my theory:
Casey knows the East-Side Rapist that raped two women in Blanchard Park over the last couple of years. He has been described as being between 20 and 25 years old. Her age group. This time, he killed his target. Casey was either there when it happened, or was called to help him get rid of the body. Nicole Ganguzza was killed on June 10, 2008. She has hair similar to Caylee's in length and color. The body was found behind a post office two miles from the park. Now, if the white car was used to move the body, decomp materials would be present. Now, say Casey, always on the lookout for a money-making scam, tries to blackmail the rapist/killer for her silence. He says sure, meet me at blah blah blah (the empty apartment? Blanchard Park? Casey has used both as the places she "dropped" Caylee off). Now, instead of giving Casey money, he swipes Caylee and says here's what you say and do and you forget about the murder or Caylee gets killed. Caylee is taken out of the area (I have been in contact with the person that sighted Caylee at Orlando Airport on July 2nd with an elderly woman.) This would explain all of the early crazy things that Cindy was saying about Casey leading the police close but afraid to be specific. Perhaps Casey was not wanting immunity for her role in Caylee's disappearance, but for her role in the Ganguzza murder/coverup. Have the police ran the dna of the hair sample through the general database? Have they compared it to Ganguzza? Have they looked at Casey's cell phone pings the night of the murder? Did she know anyone with priors for assault or rape? Did she know anyone connected with Ganguzza? Was she sleeping with her husband? She seemed to be sleeping with everyone else in Orlando!

Respectfully, no way!
 
  • #403
Hi Everyone,

I posted this in the Alive thread first.. but thought the debate thread might enjoy tossing it around as well...

As my signature states, I'm more of a subjective analyzer until all factual information is presented. At this point I live more on the fence than any place but feel much more welcome with the Alive crew. I cannot bring myself to commit to either side because there is compelling evidence & reasons for both positions.

I decided to do a little research on the infamous "death band" that alot of people say confirms Caylee is deceased yet LE has NOT come right out and said anything other than she was in the trunk and "the totality of evidence" leads them to believe she is deceased... Again, I respect both sides.

Now on to my discovery.... I read a thesis on the Analysis of Postmortem Deterioration of Human Head Hair. Hair samples from the subjects were taken from the TN "Body Farm". Rather than bore you with details I'll get to the punch lines... "The reason for the yellow-banding at the proximal end is unknown... there is a possibility that the yellow-band is a precursor to root-banding."

Of the 10 subjects (9 cadavers & 1 live control subject) 6 of them presented normal with yellow-banding (including the LIVE control) and 4 presented with hard keratin point, root-banding and brush like ends. The 9 cadavers were PMI from 8 days to 633 days... the only cadavers with actual "ROOT-BANDING" had been deceased for 89 to 633 days.

This science would strongly suggest they either don't have Caylee's hair with root-banding or they found forensic evidence that a close to 90 day old cadaver had been in her car at some point....

Maybe KC was robbing graves to support her lifestyle... (insert sarcasm) :crazy:

A link to supprt this would be great!!! We have many linked articles that do not follow your post.
 
  • #404
  • #405
Here is my theory:
Casey knows the East-Side Rapist that raped two women in Blanchard Park over the last couple of years. He has been described as being between 20 and 25 years old. Her age group. This time, he killed his target. Casey was either there when it happened, or was called to help him get rid of the body. Nicole Ganguzza was killed on June 10, 2008. She has hair similar to Caylee's in length and color. The body was found behind a post office two miles from the park. Now, if the white car was used to move the body, decomp materials would be present. Now, say Casey, always on the lookout for a money-making scam, tries to blackmail the rapist/killer for her silence. He says sure, meet me at blah blah blah (the empty apartment? Blanchard Park? Casey has used both as the places she "dropped" Caylee off). Now, instead of giving Casey money, he swipes Caylee and says here's what you say and do and you forget about the murder or Caylee gets killed. Caylee is taken out of the area (I have been in contact with the person that sighted Caylee at Orlando Airport on July 2nd with an elderly woman.) This would explain all of the early crazy things that Cindy was saying about Casey leading the police close but afraid to be specific. Perhaps Casey was not wanting immunity for her role in Caylee's disappearance, but for her role in the Ganguzza murder/coverup. Have the police ran the dna of the hair sample through the general database? Have they compared it to Ganguzza? Have they looked at Casey's cell phone pings the night of the murder? Did she know anyone with priors for assault or rape? Did she know anyone connected with Ganguzza? Was she sleeping with her husband? She seemed to be sleeping with everyone else in Orlando!

My theory as I have stated on other posts is that pathological liars take information that is true and make their lies........I feel strongly she is lying to her family connecting herself and Caylee to the NG murder....victimizing another innocent family. Her family is standing by this outrageous lie and liar.....I feel she has told her parents that she knows the perpetrator of this horrible crime and they have Caylee an untruth...This poor husband has been victimized enough, I certainly hope she is found out soon and doesn't harm another innocent family....
 
  • #406
Why do some people want to grasp at straws? There is no way that Caylee is alive...it defies logic and sanity and all manner of reason, and why someone would want to put their energies into the utter absurdity of it is completely out of MY personal grasp...the facts are in line that show the poor child is dead...Let her rest in peace as she deserves...

If and when Tricia or the mods tell us that Caylee is Alive theories are off limits, then I will respect that. Until then, saying people are "defying logic and sanity" by putting forth these theories is unfair and unproductive. I have several logical reasons why I think there is a POSSIBILITY that Caylee is alive, as do several others on the board.

My theory as I have stated on other posts is that pathological liars take information that is true and make their lies........I feel strongly she is lying to her family connecting herself and Caylee to the NG murder....victimizing another innocent family. Her family is standing by this outrageous lie and liar.....I feel she has told her parents that she knows the perpetrator of this horrible crime and they have Caylee an untruth...This poor husband has been victimized enough, I certainly hope she is found out soon and doesn't harm another innocent family....

To be clear, there is no evidence whatsoever that Casey has tried to use the NG murder as a cover for whatever has become of Caylee. Her lawyer nor anyone in her family has ever mentioned the NG murder to my knowledge.
 
  • #407
Seranade and SusanNV,
Even though I am new, I have been reading here for about a month. I feel that both of your theories and speculations are something to be considered and checked into. I have read the NicoleG thread and something about it made my ears perk up.
I am not excusing Caseys behavior or the fact that her daughter may be dead. The fact of her lack of emotions speaks volumes about the kind of person she is. I feel that regardless of her intentions, her daughter is indeed missing or dead and she is directly or indirectly responsible for that. Even if she is alive and safe somewhere, a normal mother would look sad and despondent, not energized and happy!
Even if Casey didn't transport the body, she could have hidden the weapon which would have plenty of fluids etc. on it.
This case is so confusing that I think by grasping at straws and other so called" Bizarre" theories, that is part and parcel of the nature of this mystery. It will only be solved by looking outside of the box.
 
  • #408
There just isn't any connection to this murder and Caylee's disappearance. NG was murdered on June 10th. Caylee did not go missing until June 15th. There was no known smell of decomp in her car until possibly around June 24th and definitely by July 15th when the car was then picked up by GA and CA which means it was present June 27th. No one placed an unknown body in that car. Caylee is the one missing and given the timeframe, logic says she was in the trunk. Forensics say she was in the trunk.

LE can prove that Caylee is missing.
LE can prove there was decomp in the vehicle.
LE can prove it was Caylee's hair and DNA in the trunk where the decomp was found.
LE can and will prove it was Caylee in the trunk when all the tests results are released.

Grasping at straws will not solve this case. The only purpose it serves is to aid the defense in the quest to raise reasonable doubt and to further throw up roadblocks to find this child. It is in Casey's best interest NOT to find Caylee. She will continue her charade at all cost to prevent it.

People continue to support Casey's lies. I guess Susan Smith, Melinda Duckett, and other mothers who have killed their children and lied about it have their supporters, too...but for the life of me...I cannot understand why.

I totally agree. The logic tying these two incidents together is just not there, and those who believe they are connected keep twisting away from the points I'm making and won't address them directly. This is my last post on the matter. If people want me to entertain the notion any further you need to answer:

1. There is no evidence that NG was moved from the location she was killed, and in fact statements by LE have indicated otherwise.

"NG, a graduate student at the University of Central Florida, probably was killed where she was found, off the Little Econ Greenway just north of Colonial Drive, sheriff's Sgt. Allen Lee said."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...cf-jogger-slain-061208,0,7295335.story?page=1

A. How do you then connect the trunk and the decomp with NG??

2. She was found within 24 hours of her murder. If we are to believe that she was in Casey's trunk it would be logical to assume they drug her into the bushes and covered her with brush in the cool and cover of the night instead of in broad daylight in a busy park the next day. That would cut her "trunk time" down to less than 12 hours, and probably more like 8 (or less). You just don't get a juicy decaying corpse in 12 hours. That trunk was rank, could even be smelled inside the car itself as per statements by CA.

B. Explain the rankness of advanced decomp and how it would have gotten there with NG's body in less than 12 hours.

C. Explain why she was even in a trunk at all when her body was found in situ and concealed at the site of her death. Do you believe the Sgt who made the statement was lying?

D. Detail a certain connection between NG and Casey, something that is certain, not idle speculation.

E. Explain why this theory is more valid than a random attack by a rapist, when we know that at least 2 violent rapists are at work in Orlando and have attacked at Blanchard park.

SusanNV, you posted that NG's death could be connected with Casey because of a possible affair with NG's husband, but you should be aware of how absolutely insulting this is.

Let's deal with facts here.
 
  • #409
Just started looking at this thread and have a couple of questions...
1) Could NG be the reason CA has such a dislike for hispanics
2) I read NG was a counselor (marriage)...did GA & CA go to marriage counseling...is there reason to believe maybe GA became a little to interested in NG...he does seem to have a temper

JMHO
 
  • #410
Why do some people want to grasp at straws? There is no way that Caylee is alive...it defies logic and sanity and all manner of reason, and why someone would want to put their energies into the utter absurdity of it is completely out of MY personal grasp...the facts are in line that show the poor child is dead...Let her rest in peace as she deserves...

:clap::clap::clap:

I know. Even the 2 guys that know her posted here that they believe she is dead too. I would love Caylee to take a cab home :D like the detective said. It isn't going to happen. :(
 
  • #411
Okay..I have another weird case to throw into the mix. I was just reading a story on cnn.com about a severed child's foot being brought home by a family dog in rural southern AL. Now, I believe that Caylee survived Orlando, and I believe she was seen on a plane to Atlanta on July 2nd...but what if whoever has had her got tired or scared? God forbid...I hope my idea is wrong. I have emailed the Police Chief in the small AL town to give him the theory, though. (The men in white suits should be here any minute! LOL)
 
  • #412
OCSO and the FBI ripped the sighting at the airport to shreds. Did not happen. A dog finds what they think could possibly be a human foot in Alabama and it connects to Caylee how?
 
  • #413
Wow...maybe the AL foot idea is not so crazy...I just saw this article from WDBO.com that states "The FBI is looking into whether Caylee spent time in Murfreesboro, Tennessee in July before she was reported missing.

Agents took surveillance video from a McDonald's there last week that was shot on July 10. The wife of the man who runs the restaurant says the video shows a girl who appears to be Caylee, her mother, Casey, and a mysterious woman.

She didn't want to make her full name public, so we're respecting her privacy and only using her first name, Megan.

"The girl who appeared to look like Caylee was actually with that woman," said Megan. "It was a heavy-set woman. She had dark hair."

Murfreesboro is 166 miles from Russellville, AL where the foot was found....
 
  • #414
I read about the severed child's foot earlier today. It was verified by the local coroner to be a real severed child's foot. They are searching to find where it came from but cadaver dogs were unsuccessful today. Of course, it could be any child - we don't even know the approximate age of the child the foot is from.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/17528374/detail.html
 
  • #415
Wow...maybe the AL foot idea is not so crazy...I just saw this article from WDBO.com that states "The FBI is looking into whether Caylee spent time in Murfreesboro, Tennessee in July before she was reported missing.

Agents took surveillance video from a McDonald's there last week that was shot on July 10. The wife of the man who runs the restaurant says the video shows a girl who appears to be Caylee, her mother, Casey, and a mysterious woman.

She didn't want to make her full name public, so we're respecting her privacy and only using her first name, Megan.

"The girl who appeared to look like Caylee was actually with that woman," said Megan. "It was a heavy-set woman. She had dark hair."

Murfreesboro is 166 miles from Russellville, AL where the foot was found....
Couple Says Photo Shows Caylee; FBI Dismisses It
FBI Says This Is Just One Of Many Such Tips


Court records show Casey Anthony is accused of writing a bad check at an Orlando Bank of America just an hour after these Tennessee pictures were taken.

An FBI spokesman said, “This tip is in the same group as other Caylee sightings...None is turning out to be the one we're looking for in terms of her recovery."

http://www.wesh.com/news/17531153/detail.html
 
  • #416
Sadly, the FBI has already researched and rejected the McDonald's photos as not being of Caylee. I saw the photos and they look nothing like her. This little girl appears to have naturally curly hair which is kind of frizzy and she look younger than 3.

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/might-be-caylee/
 
  • #417
If and when Tricia or the mods tell us that Caylee is Alive theories are off limits, then I will respect that. Until then, saying people are "defying logic and sanity" by putting forth these theories is unfair and unproductive. I have several logical reasons why I think there is a POSSIBILITY that Caylee is alive, as do several others on the board.
This is a debate thread for both sides. There is only one place I can think of where the Caylee is Alive theories are "off limits" and we will respect that. However, here we are free to voice our opinions and offer facts to back them up concerning our theories (which we are doing).
 
  • #418
Why do some people want to grasp at straws? There is no way that Caylee is alive...it defies logic and sanity and all manner of reason, and why someone would want to put their energies into the utter absurdity of it is completely out of MY personal grasp...the facts are in line that show the poor child is dead...Let her rest in peace as she deserves...

Maybe it is just me but for awhile I was reading about and throwing wild theories out there because I was treating this case like an interactive mystery novel (for lack of a better description). I am newbie, which MAY explain me being like this. :)

I would get all excited about and really interested in complicated theories that suggested sinister going ons, cover ups, plots, etc. that pointed away from Casey. Because if you think about it the most likely truth is quite simple and not as intriguing...
 
  • #419
OCSO and the FBI ripped the sighting at the airport to shreds. Did not happen. A dog finds what they think could possibly be a human foot in Alabama and it connects to Caylee how?


Aren't there two little boys recently missing in Alabama??
 
  • #420
momtective
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008
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I was asked to pull this post over by MOMTECTIVE:

Possible explaination for the dogs and decomp detection...I've entertained this thought for a while now, it may have already been covered and if so I'm sorry for the repost.

I can't get past the June 9th date...we know this is the date that NG was murdered in J Blanchard park...we know Casey & Caylee frequented said park...we know Casey knew A LOT of guys...

Suppose KC saw NG's murder...knew the murderer and murderer took Caylee.

We do not know how NG was killed but perhaps with a weapon such as a hammer, a crowbar, etc

We do not know if NG's attacker may have used Cholorform to subdue NG

But if NG's attacker did use the above mentioned items, then perhaps said items were placed in KC's trunk and she later borrowed a shovel and buried them...first thinking of her own back yard but then deciding it best to bury them away from the house.

Just another theory believing this baby is alive...hoping that theory is allowed here since it is at this point just theory and speculation.
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Sorry, I am new here. Who is NG?
 

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