Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[cityslick]

I do see what you are saying. But, going along those lines with you, I think that DB is not that bright, but she THINKS she is because she watches this stuff on TV and she thinks that if she says things that will point to her, that people will say exactly what you did. "Why would DB be responsible because she is the one who pointed to herself in this? She would never do that if she was guilty!" Sort of a mixed up reverse psychology thing. In other words, she has part of the act down, but isn't smart enough to see it through like a chess match.

It could be that too. Although I'm not sure why she would open herself up to more criticism on a Dr. Phil show when she's been quiet for 3 months and the spotlight had left the case. If she's paying attention to what people are saying about her, then she should know that going on a national talk show isn't going to gain her any points by basically attacking those people who are accusing her.

I dunno, if you really are guilty, why do you care what people are saying about you. Just stay in the hole for as long as possible until people stop talking about you. Don't come out of it and say 'I'm tired of people accusing me' on national tv.

 

[natsound]

Has DB in any interview actually suggested that BL was taken while she was outside drinking? If she actually did think this, why is this thing with the lights coming up now?

She didn't have to volunteer that she was drunk. She doesn't have to say, 2-3 drinks an hour and I'm drunk.

She did not admit to drinking until the video came out, so one might suggest that she was forced to admit she had been drinking. Yes, she gave the intruder a longer timeline when she said she didn't remember checking on her before bed.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Has DB in any interview actually suggested that BL was taken while she was outside drinking? If she actually did think this, why is this thing with the lights coming up now?

She didn't have to volunteer that she was drunk. She doesn't have to say, 2-3 drinks an hour and I'm drunk.

She's playing it dumb and leaving it open so that there is more time and opportunity for a person to have come in and taken Lisa.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Wow, I think everyone is just looking for a reason to believe that she is guilty. Come on, 39 pages of focusing on wether the lights were on or not. No wonder this family doesn't say anything, look how this light problem has been picked apart. I have thought from the beginning that they had nothing to do with this. That hasn't changed for me. I have followed this story from the beginning, and the only thing that has change for me is, I now understand why they don't talk to the media. This is rediculous. I hope the find Baby Lisa. and maybe we will all learn how not to judge. That being said, I am in complete agreement with all of you, she definitely needs some parenting skills looked into, she has a lot of problems in that area. I really don't think she has ever abused any of her kids, she just doesn't seem the type to me and there has never been any reports from anyone on that. My gut tells me these people had nothing to do with this and are truly heartbroken.

Unfortunately, there are statistics on how many people kill their children, either through abusive means or by accident. These statistics, along with the guilty manner in which DB is acting, adds to the suspicion. Her changing stories and timelines are damning to her. The truth never changes. Also unfortunate is the fact that there is no "type" of a person who abuses or kills their children. These people come from all walks of life, all races, religions and social status. The only thing we have to go on is what DB has told us herself, and what she has told us does not ring true for a majority of us here. That's my take anyway. Welcome to Websleuths, by the way!

 

[cityslick]

She's playing it dumb and leaving it open so that there is more time and opportunity for a person to have come in and taken Lisa.

But she (or even her lawyer) are not trying to float that theory. Not once have I heard JT mention that this could of happened while she was outside and he would be the first one singing that.

Nobody with half a brain would think this is the case with 3 awake children (not counting BL) in the house while she's outside.

 

[natsound]

It could be that too. Although I'm not sure why she would open herself up to more criticism on a Dr. Phil show when she's been quiet for 3 months and the spotlight had left the case. If she's paying attention to what people are saying about her, then she should know that going on a national talk show isn't going to gain her any points by basically attacking those people who are accusing her.

I dunno, if you really are guilty, why do you care what people are saying about you. Just stay in the hole for as long as possible until people stop talking about you. Don't come out of it and say 'I'm tired of people accusing me' on national tv.

Doesn't it bother you, though, that DB and JI are not searching, and never have as far as we know? That's a big elephant in the room IMO. They haven't even asked for any organized searches.

 

[octobermoon]

Wow, I think everyone is just looking for a reason to believe that she is guilty. Come on, 39 pages of focusing on wether the lights were on or not. No wonder this family doesn't say anything, look how this light problem has been picked apart. I have thought from the beginning that they had nothing to do with this. That hasn't changed for me. I have followed this story from the beginning, and the only thing that has change for me is, I now understand why they don't talk to the media. This is rediculous. I hope the find Baby Lisa. and maybe we will all learn how not to judge. That being said, I am in complete agreement with all of you, she definitely needs some parenting skills looked into, she has a lot of problems in that area. I really don't think she has ever abused any of her kids, she just doesn't seem the type to me and there has never been any reports from anyone on that. My gut tells me these people had nothing to do with this and are truly heartbroken.

BBM What is the type?


(cityslick, was it cold in the dungeon? 'cause I think I am headed that way )

 

[norest4thewicked]

But she (or even her lawyer) are not trying to float that theory. Not once have I heard JT mention that this could of happened while she was outside and he would be the first one singing that.

Nobody with half a brain would think this is the case with 3 awake children (not counting BL) in the house while she's outside.

I don't know. I haven't heard JT's defense strategy yet. I would think that he has more than half a brain, but you never know...he's a defense attorney! lol (I'm just kidding about that one!)

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

You are right, the ENTIRE show was not about what people are misstating, but THAT part was. She is saying IMO that other people are saying that he is saying that all of the light were on and it was an exaggeration because that is not what he said. I have seen many on here state exactly the same thing and misstating that he said "all" of the lights were on even after watching him say 'some'. I have seen 'some' morph into 'all' many times on many different forums and I *think* that is exactly what she is talking about. Not that it is what he actually said, but people have morphed it into that as what he said. She is quoting what others have said and exaggerated. That's what I got out of it anyway.

I'm still playing catch up, bu I have been reading and IMHO IDM is correct. In order to grasp an answer you have to take it in context of what the QUESTION was. Snipping text or sound bits such as NG does on her show, or as I've been reading here gives no context w/o the entire question / answer quoted.

 

[natsound]

Wow, I think everyone is just looking for a reason to believe that she is guilty. Come on, 39 pages of focusing on wether the lights were on or not. No wonder this family doesn't say anything, look how this light problem has been picked apart. I have thought from the beginning that they had nothing to do with this. That hasn't changed for me. I have followed this story from the beginning, and the only thing that has change for me is, I now understand why they don't talk to the media. This is rediculous. I hope the find Baby Lisa. and maybe we will all learn how not to judge. That being said, I am in complete agreement with all of you, she definitely needs some parenting skills looked into, she has a lot of problems in that area. I really don't think she has ever abused any of her kids, she just doesn't seem the type to me and there has never been any reports from anyone on that. My gut tells me these people had nothing to do with this and are truly heartbroken.

bbm

That's just the nature of these boards. We rehash things over and over again, we make circular arguments, and we micro manage the details. The pro-Irwins do it too. I get tired of it after a while, and I leave for a few weeks, until something new comes along, like the Dr. Phil interview.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I think because it was made to sound in the media like every single light in the house was on. If that's the case, it's highly unlikely it was a kidnapper, because what kidnapper would turn on every light in a home and draw attention to themselves? I think it's one of the many things the family feels has been exaggerated in the media.

And the only evidence we have that any lights were ever turned off was one eye witness who also drank with DB and we have no idea how much wine or spirits she drank, do we?

 

[natsound]

But she (or even her lawyer) are not trying to float that theory. Not once have I heard JT mention that this could of happened while she was outside and he would be the first one singing that.

Nobody with half a brain would think this is the case with 3 awake children (not counting BL) in the house while she's outside.

It's been a few months since I've dissected the timeline on this case, but is DB claiming to know exactly when she went in the house, and her activities leading up to going to bed? Is she claiming the only thing that's not sharp in her memory is whether she checked on Lisa?

I don't necessarily think the motive for blurring the timeline is to suggest that an intruder took Lisa while DB was outside partying. IMO, it gives DB a little more leeway to throw up her hands and say, "It wasn't me, but I have no idea what happened or when! Get off my back, I was drunk, OK?"

 

[cityslick]

BBM What is the type?


(cityslick, was it cold in the dungeon? 'cause I think I am headed that way )

It was, but I had a heater that I bought on clearance. :crazy:

 

[octobermoon]

It was, but I had a heater that I bought on clearance. :crazy:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[norest4thewicked]

And the only evidence we have that any lights were ever turned off was one eye witness who also drank with DB and we have no idea how much wine or spirits she drank, do we?

Didn't DB say that she turned the lights off? I'm almost positive she did.

 

[chastity]

Unfortunately, there are statistics on how many people kill their children, either through abusive means or by accident. These statistics, along with the guilty manner in which DB is acting, adds to the suspicion. Her changing stories and timelines are damning to her. The truth never changes. Also unfortunate is the fact that there is no "type" of a person who abuses or kills their children. These people come from all walks of life, all races, religions and social status. The only thing we have to go on is what DB has told us herself, and what she has told us does not ring true for a majority of us here. That's my take anyway. Welcome to Websleuths, by the way!

Oh, I totally agree with everything you say. I just think that she is not highly educated and she says things the way she thinks may sound better, which totally comes across as lies. I think when the drinking confession came out that the media focussed on this and made her a raging alchoholic, and this is when the whole story got out of control. Of course she tried to minimalize this, and that just made it sound even worse than it was. I love the media and love hearing what they say happened, but really a lot of it is just gossip, and if the reporting is not 100% accurate, it can be very dangerous for the people involved. I just don't think she has the capability of pulling something such as this off, and not leaving any clues, especially if we are going to believe that she was that drunk.

 

[Sherbie]

I do see what you are saying. But, going along those lines with you, I think that DB is not that bright, but she THINKS she is because she watches this stuff on TV and she thinks that if she says things that will point to her, that people will say exactly what you did. "Why would DB be responsible because she is the one who pointed to herself in this? She would never do that if she was guilty!" Sort of a mixed up reverse psychology thing. In other words, she has part of the act down, but isn't smart enough to see it through like a chess match.

Unfortunately, that is exactly the impression I've had of her from the very earliest interviews. She may not be a genius, but she's certainly smart enough not to throw fuel on the mom-must've-done-something fire by voluntarily offering up things that reflect badly on her. So I believe she has a purpose in doing so.

I hope we're wrong, but it feels like an attempt at manipulation to me.

 

[annalia]

I'm still playing catch up, bu I have been reading and IMHO IDM is correct. In order to grasp an answer you have to take it in context of what the QUESTION was. Snipping text or sound bits such as NG does on her show, or as I've been reading here gives no context w/o the entire question / answer quoted.

Nothing was taken out of context.

The QUESTION at that point was in reference to all the lights being on. She responded that what *JI* said about all the lights being on was an exaggeration. At no point did she deny he said it or say that others were just exaggerating something that he never said.

 

[annalia]

Didn't DB say that she turned the lights off? I'm almost positive she did.

I think someone posted a quote from the JP show where she said it. In the video I posted, she said that neighbors told her that all the lights were off.

 

[cityslick]

Oh, I totally agree with everything you say. I just think that she is not highly educated and she says things the way she thinks may sound better, which totally comes across as lies. I think when the drinking confession came out that the media focussed on this and made her a raging alchoholic, and this is when the whole story got out of control. Of course she tried to minimalize this, and that just made it sound even worse than it was. I love the media and love hearing what they say happened, but really a lot of it is just gossip, and if the reporting is not 100% accurate, it can be very dangerous for the people involved. I just don't think she has the capability of pulling something such as this off, and not leaving any clues, especially if we are going to believe that she was that drunk.

That was my point as well. We know (from what we've seen) the type of person DB is, but yet I have to stretch my imagination to believe she's sophisticated enough to harm and then dispose of BL in such a way that nobody's found clues to BL or even to DB herself.

I dunno, it's stuff like that keeps me on the fence. And yes, I understand you don't have to be smart to be a criminal.