Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[norest4thewicked]

However, alcohol can change what your recollections of the truth is.

But, if you say it one time and it is the truth, alcohol isn't going to make you change that same thing into something different. The truth always stays the same.

 

[natsound]

Well, it's my theory that baby Lisa died in the bathtub. Either she was put in there because of her fever or perhaps she was fussy and DB thought that would help. I know that my children often loved a bath when fussy. But, I think that for whatever reason, DB forgot about Lisa due to her drinking and "adult time" or just lost track of time. I think that Lisa was taken from the tub directly to the spot that the dog hit on next to DB's bed. I haven't heard back yet from the SAR experts on whether or not a dog would hit on this area if the shower was run hot for a long time afterwards and cleaned out. However, even if a dog HAD hit here, I don't know that we would have necessarily been privy to it as the general public. Just my thoughts.

The dogs may have hit in the bathroom as well. We know the dog hit in the bedroom, but we don't know if they hit anywhere else. I have a feeling they did.

 

[chastity]

Well, it's my theory that baby Lisa died in the bathtub. Either she was put in there because of her fever or perhaps she was fussy and DB thought that would help. I know that my children often loved a bath when fussy. But, I think that for whatever reason, DB forgot about Lisa due to her drinking and "adult time" or just lost track of time. I think that Lisa was taken from the tub directly to the spot that the dog hit on next to DB's bed. I haven't heard back yet from the SAR experts on whether or not a dog would hit on this area if the shower was run hot for a long time afterwards and cleaned out. However, even if a dog HAD hit here, I don't know that we would have necessarily been privy to it as the general public. Just my thoughts.

And that would have to mean that someone else knows what happened. She couldn't have just walked away with a dead child and put it in a hiding place. There were other kids in the home, and what about the neighbor she was drinking with. If this happened, there would have to be witnesses to it, even if it happened after she was done drinking. That baby didn't just go away, if this is what happened, she would have needed help.

 

[octobermoon]

However, alcohol can change what your recollections of the truth is.

I don't understand? Are you saying she doesn't remember the truth because of the wine or that the wine changed her truth???


(OM is going out to get a space heater for the dungeon)

 

[norest4thewicked]

I have thought about that. Would Lisa have been old enough to squirm out of that situation? When I picture a baby dying from that, I picture a very, very young infant.

Lisa appeared to be a good sized little girl. My little granddaughter is 15 pounds and she is definitely a substantial little girl. She would be kicking and screaming in that situation. DB is a big lady, but not so big that she wouldn't have felt/heard that. Besides, weren't "the boys" in bed with her?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

But, it is a fact that the truth never changes...the truth...

I agree, but sometimes the wording does, and it doesn't mean squat if the intent was to relay the same message.

 

[norest4thewicked]

The dogs may have hit in the bathroom as well. We know the dog hit in the bedroom, but we don't know if they hit anywhere else. I have a feeling they did.

That is my feeling as well. It wouldn't benefit LE in any way to reveal every place in the house that the dogs hit because, if they did, DB would have a jump on how she could spin her story.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I am not fond of Deborah. I'm offended by her lifestyle and what I perceive as her selfishness. But I am trying to be evenhanded in my evaluations of the few, few facts as presented by her so I share the following for your consideration.

I was the driver in a very serious auto accident. Among other injuries, I had a concussion. I could remember that I was driving ~ but not where the accident happened. I had a "blackout." The relevant part of my experience is that after several weeks had passed, I felt as if I were "remembering" things that happened. I later realized I was never "remembering" anything original (on my own) but only those actions that the other passengers had discussed and described to me. I believe I was filling in the blanks of my own memory with what I had heard happened.

It makes me wonder that if Deborah really did black out, if she might be doing the same ~ and that's why her stories keep changing?

ETA: There was no drinking involved in my accident!

 

[mrsu]

I think one of the sightings that's gotten lumped in is from the gas station, the one where you can't make heads or tails out of what it even is, or what the person is carrying, if anything at all. The one where JT said that this confirmed sighting was of a person coming out of the woods when in fact there aren't even any woods there.

That begs another question, would someone who just kidnapped a baby be walking out under those bright lights, through the gas station with cars coming in and out carrying a baby only clad in a diaper? Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

JMHO

I'm not saying it's not far fetched, but I want to at least know it was followed up on thoroughly and ruled out 100%.

Kidnappers do weird things sometimes. Some of them have taken their victims out in broad daylight, except here, it's 4am in the dark of the night, with probably not too many people driving around.

 

[natsound]

And that would have to mean that someone else knows what happened. She couldn't have just walked away with a dead child and put it in a hiding place. There were other kids in the home, and what about the neighbor she was drinking with. If this happened, there would have to be witnesses to it, even if it happened after she was done drinking. That baby didn't just go away, if this is what happened, she would have needed help.

I disagree that she needed help. For a long time I thought for sure she needed help, but someone else convinced me that if DB is capable of carrying Lisa, then she's capable of disposing of her body. I do think DB tried to get help, thus the phone call to MW's phone (to try to reach Jersey, perhaps).

Think about what Casey Anthony did, all by herself. Unbelievable that no one saw her pulling Caylee's body into the woods on Suburban Drive.

 

[natsound]

That is my feeling as well. It wouldn't benefit LE in any way to reveal every place in the house that the dogs hit because, if they did, DB would have a jump on how she could spin her story.

Right, and this police department has not revealed a thing. I wish we could see more documents.

 

[octobermoon]

bring a good book, too, that will take your mind off all of this!

lol

 

[NFYIAMY]

Hey all (Been out of the loop in the hospital - so just now catching back up on things.)

I watched the DrP show. I've read through most of this thread. I *have no clue* as to what happened to BL (a total fence sitter).....

With that said - I can't help but say that it seems like DB is going to be crucified regardless of what she says or does:

**If she cries during the interview -- it's because she feels guilt. If she doesn't cry - she's cold blooded and clearly the person responsible for BL being gone.
**If she stays out of the media - she is wrong for not keeping the story going. If she appears in the media - she's looking for personal attention, not really trying to find her daughter.
**If she tries to explain something because she mis-spoke or something was reported slightly off from what she actually said - then she's a liar, changing her story.
**If she holds onto JI during the interview she is controlling. Had she not had contact with him (holding his leg or his hand) it would said that there was no physical contact between her and JI - a sign that something nefarious is going on.
*** etc, etc, etc.....

I don't think either DB or JI are highly intelligent people. I think they are normal folk who have never had to take time to choose their words carefully. I think they are taking advice from someone - but you can't make an not so educated, non-pristine speaker and turn them into someone who can suddenly speak in interviews etc in a way that is clear.
It's so easy to say 'this is what I would do' but I can look into my own extended family and say that if a scenario like this happened to OUR immediate family - WE would handle it far differently then say my sister and her husband would (my dh & I are very much outgoing, personable people while my sis and her husband are quite the opposite). I just can't imagine - as articulate as I consider myself to be, in a situation in which EVERY SINGLE WORD I SPOKE would be analyzed, ripped apart, mis-reported, etc. I can't imagine the pressure that must bring.

The things that still bother me about this case are:

1. We do know there were calls made to the MW chick - and that DB nor JI have no idea who she is/was.
2. There were independent sightings of a man with a baby - and although that's not much - I find it a HUGE coincidence at the least. How many other cases have there been with outside 'witnesses' reporting something regarding a missing child that amounted to little or nothing? (I don't know of many if any at all)
3. You can't have it both ways. DB was sooooo drunk - then explain how she was able to pull off the perfect crime (could she have 'snapped to' and regained some sense of sober? Probably......but to the point she was able to get rid of her child, clean up in a manner that would leave NO evidence, play sleeping and put on an amazing show for police and family within a few hours? I find that kind of near impossible. (Note: I said 'near' )
4. The dumpster fire with the baby clothes in it along with independent reports of seeing a man with an unclothed child. LE have confirmed that JI's timeline excluded him as a suspect so I just feel like there's something that will end up being connected with BL's disappearance.

All of this is just MOO....... My hope and prayer is that there will come a day when either BL is found alive or that LE find evidence indicating that they know what happened to her without doubt.

 

[Donjeta]

Back from the dungeon....

Doesn't this consolidate with SB saying 'all lights were off in the house at 11:30pm'?

Well, it should since apparently she got her story from her neighbors, presumably SB.

about 1:15 in this video
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm3_ttvrweg&feature=endscreen&NR=1"]Lisa Irwin Parents New Interview - My Body Language Analysis. MUST SEE. GMA. CJB - YouTube[/ame]

interviewer: "you remember turning them off when you went to bed"
DB: "I was told I turned them off"
"by whom?"
"By the neighbors"

I had missed that clip earlier I think.

Wondering what else she remembers for herself and what she's parroting from having been told.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Didn't DB say that she turned the lights off? I'm almost positive she did.

I've had so many pages to catch up on I can't say for sure what page it was, but someone several pages back quoted where she was asked in the beginning if she turned the lights off and she says 9paraphrased here) that the neighbour told her she did. She doesn't say at that point anyway, that she remembers physically doing it.

 

[melissasmom]

Lisa appeared to be a good sized little girl. My little granddaughter is 15 pounds and she is definitely a substantial little girl. She would be kicking and screaming in that situation. DB is a big lady, but not so big that she wouldn't have felt/heard that. Besides, weren't "the boys" in bed with her?

I agree with that. DB is not small, but I don't think she is even near large enough to have smothered Lisa by rolling on top of her. And, like you said, Lisa is a good sized baby, and was 10 months old at the time. I think smothering usually occurs in very small infants, with very large adults.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Nothing was taken out of context.

The QUESTION at that point was in reference to all the lights being on. She responded that what *JI* said about all the lights being on was an exaggeration. At no point did she deny he said it or say that others were just exaggerating something that he never said.

IIRC Dr Phil asked her what misconceptions (my words here) she wanted to clear up, and he asked her about the lights and how it was played out in the media etc. It was a broad question. But say say tomato and I say tomatoe, so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[natsound]

Hey all (Been out of the loop in the hospital - so just now catching back up on things.)

I watched the DrP show. I've read through most of this thread. I *have no clue* as to what happened to BL (a total fence sitter).....

With that said - I can't help but say that it seems like DB is going to be crucified regardless of what she says or does:

**If she cries during the interview -- it's because she feels guilt. If she doesn't cry - she's cold blooded and clearly the person responsible for BL being gone.
**If she stays out of the media - she is wrong for not keeping the story going. If she appears in the media - she's looking for personal attention, not really trying to find her daughter.
**If she tries to explain something because she mis-spoke or something was reported slightly off from what she actually said - then she's a liar, changing her story.
**If she holds onto JI during the interview she is controlling. Had she not had contact with him (holding his leg or his hand) it would said that there was no physical contact between her and JI - a sign that something nefarious is going on.
*** etc, etc, etc.....

I don't think either DB or JI are highly intelligent people. I think they are normal folk who have never had to take time to choose their words carefully. I think they are taking advice from someone - but you can't make an not so educated, non-pristine speaker and turn them into someone who can suddenly speak in interviews etc in a way that is clear.
It's so easy to say 'this is what I would do' but I can look into my own extended family and say that if a scenario like this happened to OUR immediate family - WE would handle it far differently then say my sister and her husband would (my dh & I are very much outgoing, personable people while my sis and her husband are quite the opposite). I just can't imagine - as articulate as I consider myself to be, in a situation in which EVERY SINGLE WORD I SPOKE would be analyzed, ripped apart, mis-reported, etc. I can't imagine the pressure that must bring.

The things that still bother me about this case are:

1. We do know there were calls made to the MW chick - and that DB nor JI have no idea who she is/was.
2. There were independent sightings of a man with a baby - and although that's not much - I find it a HUGE coincidence at the least. How many other cases have there been with outside 'witnesses' reporting something regarding a missing child that amounted to little or nothing? (I don't know of many if any at all)
3. You can't have it both ways. DB was sooooo drunk - then explain how she was able to pull off the perfect crime (could she have 'snapped to' and regained some sense of sober? Probably......but to the point she was able to get rid of her child, clean up in a manner that would leave NO evidence, play sleeping and put on an amazing show for police and family within a few hours? I find that kind of near impossible. (Note: I said 'near' )
4. The dumpster fire with the baby clothes in it along with independent reports of seeing a man with an unclothed child. LE have confirmed that JI's timeline excluded him as a suspect so I just feel like there's something that will end up being connected with BL's disappearance.

All of this is just MOO....... My hope and prayer is that there will come a day when either BL is found alive or that LE find evidence indicating that they know what happened to her without doubt.

Two things:

1. You're in Baltimore... I like you already!

2. Some of us strongly believe DB is guilty, and is lying. So yes, we are not giving her the benefit of the doubt in any aspect. If she is guilty, which I believe and some others do, then the only right thing she can do is admit it and face the consequences. Anything else she does is wrong. So yes, you will see some extreme criticism.

 

[norest4thewicked]

And that would have to mean that someone else knows what happened. She couldn't have just walked away with a dead child and put it in a hiding place. There were other kids in the home, and what about the neighbor she was drinking with. If this happened, there would have to be witnesses to it, even if it happened after she was done drinking. That baby didn't just go away, if this is what happened, she would have needed help.

She may have had help. We don't know what LE knows. Or, the children were asleep at 11:30 and I can attest to the fact that children sleep HARD. She could have packaged the baby up, put the package in the car and driven for 2 minutes to the river, disposed of it and driven back home. She could have spent the rest of the time cleaning up and jumped into bed, forgetting to turn the lights off when she heard Jeremy's car.

 

[cityslick]

Two things:

1. You're in Baltimore... I like you already!

2. Some of us strongly believe DB is guilty, and is lying. So yes, we are not giving her the benefit of the doubt in any aspect. If she is guilty, which I believe and some others do, then the only right thing she can do is admit it and face the consequences. Anything else she does is wrong. So yes, you will see some extreme criticism.

Yes, but what if those that believe it so strongly are wrong? How do you explain her behavior from an innocent point of view?