Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[melissasmom]

A quote from that link...bbm = Really? The Brandos don't even live together anymore. Maybe the 'source' should getting 'their' story straight before sharing it!

Um, respectfully, why is this even being discussed? Doesn't this fall under the category of rumor? Some "unnamed source"? I have been away for a bit, haven't been able to read all posts on this thread, has it been okayed by mods to discuss this rumored tattoo?

 

[Whisperer]

How come Jeremy didn't speak about the kitten in the bed? Look how he is holding her hand. This guy would be a dream for LE to get by himself and interview. Betting money is on they never did. If by chance they tried, he would leave. He cannot take any stress..none. Something is very amiss with this couple. I suspect there is some form of addiction happening with these two.

 

[Whisperer]

I'm thinking she meant she told the truth. As opposed to lying about it or hedging or even saying she had a drink or two. Since she knows she is totally innocent, I can see where she didn't think that her drinking the night before would have any bearing...IMO

She is greatly mistaken and uninformed.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That would be correct, else I would have already stated who it was. I don't like quoting anonymous sources. I also won't out one when they have been kind enough to converse with me and allowing me to vet them as much as possible.

I never require that anyone accept a statement of a source I can't name. You're free to take it or leave it. I will continue to share information that I feel I'm comfortable with sharing.

That's completely fair. I just wonder what the sources motives are. By saying things that put Debbie in a less than favorably light, while being an insider (friend?) makes one wonder why.

 

[Donjeta]

I'm thinking she meant she told the truth. As opposed to lying about it or hedging or even saying she had a drink or two. Since she knows she is totally innocent, I can see where she didn't think that her drinking the night before would have any bearing...IMO

Since she is such an expert on the justice system one would have expected her to realize that everything she did the night before was important. That's why the police were asking her questions about it.

JMO. The "As soon as I was asked about it" tells me that she didn't volunteer the info.

 

[deoneta]

I'm thinking she meant she told the truth. As opposed to lying about it or hedging or even saying she had a drink or two. Since she knows she is totally innocent, I can see where she didn't think that her drinking the night before would have any bearing...IMO

She said herself that she didn't remember stuff that happened, like everybody does when they drink. How could she be so sure it had no bearing? All MOO.

 

[Donjeta]

Those are physical descriptions used in the Amber Alert for somebody to look for if they see a baby that looks like her to distinguish her from other babies that look like her at the time. How would one know what to look for in a baby that cleared an ear infection? Especially if it was a casual encounter.

The homeless guy who coveted her could have taken her to a pediatrician to have her ears checked.

 

[Valhall]

Thanks. I'm not a big believer in 'sources' any more than anyone else would be if it were a positive spin for D/J ~ anyone that has something important to say but won't publicly come out and say it, isn't credible in my opinion.

Hi Sparklin,

I actually respect this position very much. In fact, I feel the same way as you. That's why it does not tear me up if me sharing information from a source I cannot name is set aside due to it coming from an unnamed source. I would do the same if I were reading on a site (even mainstream media) sharing the same type information.

However, I prefer it be rejected on sound logic like that versus it being misrepresented as something it is not.

I will be very glad to quote exactly what the source shared with me (minus anything exchanged past that between us)

Here it is verbatim and take it for what you choose to value it at:

There was prefacing comments that I can't share to protect their identity then...

I have nothing to gain by telling you this - so I'd like my identity kept
secret. I hate secrets but if you want info that's the way it will have
to be.... I've been a participant on a message board for over 10 years and
have read your blogs/board for sometime now. I know the drill - people
don't believe in secret contacts LOL but it is what it is.

Then there are comments on why they chose to speak with me which don't need to be shared.

Deborah Bradley got a tattoo with a black ribbon on her forearm. She did
this last week. One side of the ribbon reads Justice-the other side
reads Lisa. DB regrets getting the tattoo and now has to wear long
sleeves.Not sure if we'll see long sleeves on her during the Dr. Phil
interview because I'm not sure when that interview was conducted. She
still hangs out with the neighbors - Brando's. They are the ones who
paid for her tattoo. Bizarre considering the Brando's are separated and
he is a possible suspect in the disappearance of Lisa.

The Irwins including Jeremy are still looking for Lisa. DB is not and she
shows no interest.

Irwins suspect DB gave Lisa away in a drug trade of some sort and that's
why she got drunk that night so she could pretend she didn't know what
happened. Jeremy is clueless and naive. He is extremely book smart but
when it comes to anything else he's clueless. He's also extremely shy
which is why he won't look at a camera. One of his grade school teachers
came to his defense on this awhile back - she said he was that way in
school early on. Can't look at you - it's just Jeremy. I believe that

DB has severe OCD/Bi-polar. She's been instructed by Pacerno or whatever
the heck his name is not to speak to the public because of her OCD- she
blurts out inappropriate comments.

This person, to the best of my ability, was determined to be a close contact to the family.

The last of the information exchange has to do with the reported threats to searchers, which I won't be sharing.

 

[iamnotagolem]

That's completely fair. I just wonder what the sources motives are. By saying things that put Debbie in a less than favorably light, while being an insider (friend?) makes one wonder why.

I would think even a friend or relative of DBs even if they believe her to be innocent may not agree w/everything she does.

 

[In da Middle]

Don't hold your breath. DB is just where she wants to be... just out of the reach of LE. I hope that changes soon.

Please explain out of reach of LE. This police department and very same prosecutor are not shy about having an attorney nor are they shy as to charging 1st degree with out a body. Look at Shon Pernice (Renee Pernice is the missing wife). Same police force and same prosecutor. He had attorney and they still have not found her body. He is still in jail being held for 1st degree murder. No problem. There are more, but this is the only one I am aware of on ws.

 

[melissasmom]

If JI drove to work in the company van it would seem to leave the family vehicle in her care.

Drunk to the point of passing out she was goint to drive a vehicle to some unknown spot to hide Lisa? Seems like she would have been swerving all over the road, or running red lights, or something? And if she did drive that would mean Lisa's body was in the car. Why no dog hit on the car if that was the case?
By that point the decomp would have been advancing more rapidly.

 

[Donjeta]

We don't have an independent witness saying she passed out. IIRC she never said it either.

People drive drunk all the time. :cow:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Drunk to the point of passing out she was goint to drive a vehicle to some unknown spot to hide Lisa? Seems like she would have been swerving all over the road, or running red lights, or something? And if she did drive that would mean Lisa's body was in the car. Why no dog hit on the car if that was the case?
By that point the decomp would have been advancing more rapidly.

But, what if she was not really that drunk? What if she pretended to be drunk? Or, what if someone else helped DB?

 

[alwaysonmymind]

That's completely fair. I just wonder what the sources motives are. By saying things that put Debbie in a less than favorably light, while being an insider (friend?) makes one wonder why.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

RC

 

[Sparklin]

Oh yes, she was piss ed off about the internet and the theories LOL.

Matter of fact she seemed more interested in rehabing her image than talking about Baby Lisa.

She's in denial over a lot of stuff IMHO.

Have to say I had never watched Dr. Phil but the promo's for his upcoming shows were actually pretty entertaining.

bbm = She was very specific in her reasoning for that, saying that if people just believed she did something to Lisa, then they wouldn't be looking for her...which makes perfect sense.

Deb doesn't have to be reading ANYTHING on the internet, good or bad ~ there are enough family and friends that would let her know what people are saying and thinking.

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I'm not sure where anyone would like them to look. Should they just grab the boys and start wandering around Kansas? I'm thinking that if all of the resources that have searched for Lisa, have not found her, it's doubtful D/J are going to. I am very sure that when they are out and about, every single baby gets extra close scrutiny though!

All...jmo

 

[Valhall]

That's completely fair. I just wonder what the sources motives are. By saying things that put Debbie in a less than favorably light, while being an insider (friend?) makes one wonder why.

I think you're assuming "the family" to be the Bradley Irwin family. I didn't say that. It's clear which family this source is close to.

 

[heidisams]

I know...kinda gauche to quote my own post! :blushing: I wanted to keep the transcript for reference in making an observation, though.

Joe says over and over that DB did not fail a polygraph. Curiously, he never says she passed a polygraph, either (nor that LE told him she had passed one - he said LE said she didn't fail).

Now, if one wanted to argue wordplay, semantics, shrewd sleight of hand by a skilled attorney, could it be that the results were "inconclusive" vs. her having passed/failed? Perhaps that's why JT couldn't/didn't say she actually passed it?

If she didn't fail, the implication is that she passed. So why not say she did? IMO, saying she passed is a much more powerful statement and would be more to her benefit than saying she didn't fail.

Made me wonder. Thoughts?

You are sooo right! I really thought there was some spin in there somewhere. And, yes I do think JT would've made it loud and clear if she passed.... And if it was inconclusive he probably decided to use that to his advantage... you know, to keep her "out of jail"!

 

[Donjeta]

Conversely, if people think she's okay they won't be looking for a body.

 

[Sherbie]

Wondering what your "gut" is on the lie detector portion of the interview is??? First, I'm a firm believer (pun intended) in lie detector analysis.... And because JT can put a spin on just about anything, I'm trying to figure out what he was really told by le that would allow him to spin his response so absolutely....that she 100% passed the lie detector test.
Usually I can see right through it... do you think he was lying? I'm not naive enough to think that defense attorneys don't lie, but typically it's in the form of spin. Do you think db passed the poly?

I see you guys were discussing the same type of thing I was posting about while I was typing it. I don't think JT lied, per se. I think it's very possible, though, that the test might've been inconclusive in part and, since that's not the same as a failed test, it's not a lie to say she didn't fail it. But he never once said she passed it. And I think that may matter here.

I know a lot of people don't like Joe, but he is a smart, shrewd attorney who has handled situations and cases far more complex than this. For most who saw the show, who don't follow this type of forum and who don't have experience in the legal field, the takeaway will probably be that DB passed that LDT (whether she actually did or not). I think that was quite skillful on JT's part, if in fact that's what he did.

 

[melissasmom]

But, what if she was not really that drunk? What if she pretended to be drunk? Or, what if someone else helped DB?

But who would have helped her? How would she have gotten ahold of this person to have them assist her? She could not call out on any of the phones. So a friend or family member just happened to stop by, and DB said "Oh hey, glad you came over, I accidentally killed Lisa. Can you please go hide her body for me? Thanks, I'm gonna go to bed now."
Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just don't see how the logistics of this would have even worked. Another theory that I find possible, but not probable.