Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[Sparklin]

Some people believe a person should obtain a d.i.v.o.r.c.e before they begin a sexual relationship with a new suitor.

I'm one of those people. I believe it's speaks to her character, or lack thereof.

JMO

That hurt my feelings ~ I have a great character!!:innocent:

 

[Valhall]

I don't know how to explain it any better. Why is it that the positive results of the HRD dog are believed to be false but at the same time a negative result absolutely means that there couldn't have been a body.

As I stated, no hit by a cadaver dog is no information. In other words, when an area is searched with cadaver dogs and there is no hit the statement will be

"there was no evidence detected of a dead body in the area"

that does not equate to "there was no dead body in the area". It equates to "no evidence was detected".

It's non-information.

 

[Sparklin]

Why does she feel guilty about drinking? She said that it had nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance and she is not an alcoholic and her children are not neglected even if she's drunk, she is not a bad mother and previously she said that she is entitled to her grown up time, so what on earth is there to feel guilty about? She admitted the drinking but denied everything to do with possible guilt.

She clearly, very clearly stated that even when Lisa is back home, she will always live with the guilt of drinking that night, so I don't know why I keep seeing that she is denying it. She totally admitted that she felt guilty that if she hadn't been drinking she may have heard something and stopped it. Am I the only one that heard that??

 

[vlpate]

I think there is a possibility that Lisa was taken that night. I believe DB was drunk and passed out and didn't hear a thing.

The timeline (as far as I know) would not allow DB to dispose of Lisa without a trace. The neighbour was outside until 11:30. That would mean DB would've had approx. 3 1/2 hours to dispose of Lisa without leaving any evidence. I just don't buy that.

If she was responsible, they would have found something. Yes, there was dog hit but I know that dogs also have false positives and that one hit just isn't enough. There were no other hits anywhere and we've seen the dogs all over the house, the yard, the vehicles.

There may be evidence we're not aware of but for now, I'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt that someone else (perhaps even someone very close to the family) snatched Lisa for whatever reason.

What evidence do think points to someone close to the family snatching Lisa? Do you feel either of the parents knew about this, or maybe even arranged it?

Your line of thinking has been my theory until today, when DB said Lisa had an ear infection - that she was rubbing her face and eyes...I believe she used the word "fussy", but I'm not positive. Fussy babies can be such a pain when you are wanting to party. She put Lisa down at the same time SB returned from the liquor store.

Overdosing a baby would not make a mess, as far as I know. Getting rid of her body within three hours would be as easy as handing her off to someone.

All IMO

 

[melissasmom]

That hurt my feelings ~ I have a great character!!:innocent:

Sparklin, I bet you have ALL KINDS of character!

 

[norest4thewicked]

She clearly, very clearly stated that even when Lisa is back home, she will always live with the guilt of drinking that night, so I don't know why I keep seeing that she is denying it. She totally admitted that she felt guilty that if she hadn't been drinking she may have heard something and stopped it. Am I the only one that heard that??

I heard it. But it means nothing to me other than a guilty person saying things that they think that others want to hear.

 

[jjenny]

She clearly, very clearly stated that even when Lisa is back home, she will always live with the guilt of drinking that night, so I don't know why I keep seeing that she is denying it. She totally admitted that she felt guilty that if she hadn't been drinking she may have heard something and stopped it. Am I the only one that heard that??

She said so in Dr. Phil's interview. In prior interviews she was defending her right to have her "adult time."

 

[Sparklin]

Just like the 9-11 conspiratory theorists - it's easier to believe that thousands of people in the US government were involved with making 9-11 happen, than to believe that 19 guys with box cutters did it. But, I won't get into that discussion here. Some just have their minds made up and can't accept logical theories.

bbm = my sentiments exactly

 

[vlpate]

She clearly, very clearly stated that even when Lisa is back home, she will always live with the guilt of drinking that night, so I don't know why I keep seeing that she is denying it. She totally admitted that she felt guilty that if she hadn't been drinking she may have heard something and stopped it. Am I the only one that heard that??

Yes, I heard her say that - she's reading the forums and FB - she's telling us what we want to hear now. All about her. :seeya:

 

[melissasmom]

She clearly, very clearly stated that even when Lisa is back home, she will always live with the guilt of drinking that night, so I don't know why I keep seeing that she is denying it. She totally admitted that she felt guilty that if she hadn't been drinking she may have heard something and stopped it. Am I the only one that heard that??

I didn't watch it yet, so I don't know.
Here is a quote from Sherbie's recap:

DB: "Pretty much, the only thing I'm guilty of is drinking too much. Even when she comes back, that's something I have to live with, that I might've heard something and been able to stop them. But it's been blown so far out of proportion - that I'm an alcoholic, which I'm not; that I'm a neglectful parent, which I'm not. I've always put my kids first." She says the whole issue of her drinking with a friend while kids watched a movie was totally blown out of proportion into "a giant theory-fest."

It is post #8 in this thread (thanks Sherbie!)
I am not sure if it is word for word.

 

[Donjeta]

She clearly, very clearly stated that even when Lisa is back home, she will always live with the guilt of drinking that night, so I don't know why I keep seeing that she is denying it. She totally admitted that she felt guilty that if she hadn't been drinking she may have heard something and stopped it. Am I the only one that heard that??

I just feel that she's spent so much time justifying her drinking and explaining why it's no big deal and of no consequence whatsoever that one small admission seems to pale.

 

[Donjeta]

Well that email would make it easy for LE wouldn't it?
Maybe KCMO has a dead body pick up service, any of the locals know? :blushing:

If there was an email it could explain why LE said they think there were other people in the home that they needed answers about.

 

[In da Middle]

So why is it that we don't believe the cadaver dog hit in the house means a cadaver in the because cadaver dogs aren't that accurate, but at the same time we believe that no cadaver dog hit in the car means no cadaver in the car because cadaver dogs are so accurate?

No. 1 dog hit does not mean anything definite.
The entire premise of the 17 hour search was based on 1 hit on the floor area to be able to bring MORE dogs in. I would hope it was to verify the 1 initial hit. No mention of a hit on the search on the 17th in the cars and we have reporter tweets stating on that day vehicles were searched. There is ALSO no hits reported on the 17 hour search on the cars. The cars are listed in the search warrant to be searched. The inventory list does not list them as taken either. So IMO no dogs hit on the car after multiple searches being done on them.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Yes, I heard her say that - she's reading the forums and FB - she's telling us what we want to hear now. All about her. :seeya:

She had lots of splainin' to do. :innocent:

Seriously. :crazy:

 

[vlpate]

Well that email would make it easy for LE wouldn't it?
Maybe KCMO has a dead body pick up service, any of the locals know? :blushing:

Has LE ever said the phones were only receiving calls and texts, and calls and texts could not be made prior to midnight that night? I'm sure I've never seen them address that issue, but that doesn't mean it isn't so

 

[uvamerica]

Another curiosity for me was Deb's mentioning (again) the medicine she took and making sure to state (again) that it was NOT a narcotic. I am not a medical professional, but I've unfortunately had to take a boatload of medication most of my life. Plenty of them have cautions about taking with alcohol. Lots of meds besides narcotics can react with booze to exacerbate effects of one or both, lower blood sugar, blood pressure, etc.

So, okay...it wasn't a narcotic. Why the need to keep stressing that. I believe she's stated it was an anxiety med. I haven't taken those, but I would think they would also interact badly with alcohol depending on type/dose. Is this possibly a protests-too-much kinda thing? Might she have been upping her buzz a bit by supplementing with either her anxiety med or some other medication?

It just seems there are a lot of "it was insignificant" type declarations - leaving a baby in bed since late afternoon, drinking to excess, taking meds with alcohol, discrepancies in timelines, in accounts of things such as the lights. Like others have mentioned, stressing just how insignificant something is can tend to make you wonder sometimes.

DB does protest too much. There are warnings about taking alcohol with any prescription or non prescription drugs as far as I've seen, even Tylenol has a warning. Especially depression/anxiety meds, I've taken them over the yrs and can say not ONE of them did not have the intake of alcohol warning. I'm sure by now LE knows this so why is she bringing it up at all? Or is this part of DB's defense taking shape ? :waitasec:

 

[In da Middle]

Just like the 9-11 conspiratory theorists - it's easier to believe that thousands of people in the US government were involved with making 9-11 happen, than to believe that 19 guys with box cutters did it. But, I won't get into that discussion here. Some just have their minds made up and can't accept logical theories.

There is no 'conspiracy theory' as to the dogs. There is a need for verification of 1 hit for very good, logical reasons. Is there ANY mention of a verification hit in the 17 hour search as there should have been? I trust the dogs, myself, much more than about anything else, but there are reasons for it to be done AGAIN in a blind test by another dog. Did this happen? It obviously didn't on the vehicles.

 

[Sparklin]

Well, for me, it was news that Jeremy woke DB and told her to take their youngest to bed. I'd never heard that. According to the story today - Jeremy woke DB, told her to take the youngest to bed and asked why all the lights were on. THAT is what snapped her out of her groggy state... Why? If he was exaggerating, and he did so all the time, why the panic over his asking about the lights?


Where is the kitty in all of this?

I think being in a groggy state, she wouldn't have realized he was exaggerating until after being snapped out of it.

 

[In da Middle]

Would they have brought back the plastic bags and the towels after disposing of her?

Huh? I was stating that with all of the handling that was being described of the possible dead baby, it would seem logical that the scent would be in more than one spot on the floor and on more than the very few things listed in the search warrant inventory.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I didn't watch it yet, so I don't know.
Here is a quote from Sherbie's recap:

DB: "Pretty much, the only thing I'm guilty of is drinking too much. Even when she comes back, that's something I have to live with, that I might've heard something and been able to stop them. But it's been blown so far out of proportion - that I'm an alcoholic, which I'm not; that I'm a neglectful parent, which I'm not. I've always put my kids first." She says the whole issue of her drinking with a friend while kids watched a movie was totally blown out of proportion into "a giant theory-fest."

It is post #8 in this thread (thanks Sherbie!)
I am not sure if it is word for word.

Not at you melissasmom~ and thank you for bringing this up. I could not believe it when DB said this today. WTF ever!!!

RE: BBM and RED

Oh, WHATEVER, Deb!! You were too afraid to go in the backyard when you knew your baby was missing. Now you want us think you would have tried to stop someone if you had heard them???? FCOL