Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[melissasmom]

About the spotting of the baby and the man - It wasn't several times, it was two times with 3 sightings. The first time was a husband who was outside and spotted what he thought was a man with a baby and this was around midnight. Then he told his wife who looked out through the blinds of her house and said she saw it too. That was in the area of the Irwin home. Then, hours later (around 4 am I think) and miles away, a man on a motorcycle said he saw a man with a baby. My personal thought about the last sighting is that it was just someone coming forward with a story after hearing about this case and wanting some camera time. Those were the only supposed sightings.

Well, disregarding the sighting at 4 am, the first baby sighting was in DB/JI's own neighborhood. With all the commotion, media, etc. that followed after Lisa'a disappearance, I'm quite sure everyone in that neighborhood knew what was going on. It seems like the man with the baby that was seen at midnight or thereabouts would have come forward by now, and said "Oh, hey, that was me with my own kid." But we have heard nothing about this. As far as I know this has not been discredited or verified as a perfectly innocent misunderstanding. I think this sighting at the very least has to be taken into consideration.

 

[madge]

The problem here is DB's 'story' of turning all the lights off can't be disputed at this time, because SB says the lights were 'off' at 11:30pm. Unless there is another witness that saw lights get turned on after that time.

If the lights were still on when SB saw the house, then it's an obvious lie.

and IIRC didn't Deb and the neighbor have some kind of code about coming to peoples homes late at night.....always check the lights and such.

I know at the time I pondered that the neighbor was going over to Debs and noticed the lights off and knew not to go.

Maybe I'm wrong on that though

 

[norest4thewicked]

The problem here is DB's 'story' of turning all the lights off can't be disputed at this time, because SB says the lights were 'off' at 11:30pm. Unless there is another witness that saw lights get turned on after that time.

If the lights were still on when SB saw the house, then it's an obvious lie.

I think that for whatever reason, DB is sticking to this one part of her story. Perhaps it is because she has changed her story in the past and been called on it, so doesn't want to do it again. It's just like them both at first saying that absolutely NO ONE could have come through the computer room window and then now they say that it had to be the way the intruder came in. DB is aware because she has watched this stuff unfold that her stories will be under a magnifying glass.

 

[SyraKelly]

I was thinking about the light thing. DB said that both of the boys initially were in her bed, then I guess later one of them went back to their own bed. If DB said she turned the lights off before she went to sleep, maybe the little boy turned some lights on when he went to his own bed. My kids do that all the time. Get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, and leave a trail of lights in their wake. And of course they don't turn them back off, so when I get up in the morning I'm like, "Oh, I see one of the kids must have been up last night."
Just a thought.

I asked this question way in the begining-And I 'll ask again- seeing the light thing is so important to Debbie now-If the child turned on the lights going back to his room,why did she not make that clear to everyone on Dr.Phil..This light thing could all be cleared up IF that is what happened..the child did it,but no one has even mention the child doing it...why!!!So b/c no one has mention the child doing it,I have to believe either Debbie or the kidnapper did it..
furthermore..I do not believe for one minute she has not ask her child if he turned on the lights going back to his room...please its only MO

 

[norest4thewicked]

Well, disregarding the sighting at 4 am, the first baby sighting was in DB/JI's own neighborhood. With all the commotion, media, etc. that followed after Lisa'a disappearance, I'm quite sure everyone in that neighborhood knew what was going on. It seems like the man with the baby that was seen at midnight or thereabouts would have come forward by now, and said "Oh, hey, that was me with my own kid." But we have heard nothing about this. As far as I know this has not been discredited or verified as a perfectly innocent misunderstanding. I think this sighting at the very least has to be taken into consideration.

Agreed. However, we don't know a lot of things that LE knows. Perhaps someone did come forward to say that it was them. Maybe they do not know DB or JI but were just in the neighborhood. Perhaps LE asked them not to say anything to anyone as it might be a part of a murder investigation. I know I were this person that I would keep it quiet. Maybe it was a person visiting another neighbor. Perhaps it was a person holding a dog in clothing and it was perceived to be a baby. Perhaps it was someone helping DB with her story about a kidnapping to walk around with Lisa after she was deceased so that someone might see them. Perhaps it was a person assisting DB in disposing of Lisa's body. All of this is far fetched, but not impossible. There are so many possibilities of this, that we just don't know.

 

[melissasmom]

But, the big thing that JI was stating was that the lights in the front were on. I doubt a child whose bedroom was in the back would go out and turn the front lights on while going to the bathroom.

Probably not, but you never know, kids do some really strange things. My son goes into the bathroom and opens the shower curtain, just in case there is someone hiding in there. And I'm not talking about just when he has to use the bathroom. I have seen him watching tv and then he will get up and go do this, just because it is apparently running through his mind that there could be a boogeyman hiding in our tub. LOL Just sayin', you never know with kids.

 

[octobermoon]

Probably not, but you never know, kids do some really strange things. My son goes into the bathroom and opens the shower curtain, just in case there is someone hiding in there. And I'm not talking about just when he has to use the bathroom. I have seen him watching tv and then he will get up and go do this, just because it is apparently running through his mind that there could be a boogeyman hiding in our tub. LOL Just sayin', you never know with kids.

LOL I do that too. :blush: Don't let him watch that movie!!!!

 

[norest4thewicked]

Probably not, but you never know, kids do some really strange things. My son goes into the bathroom and opens the shower curtain, just in case there is someone hiding in there. And I'm not talking about just when he has to use the bathroom. I have seen him watching tv and then he will get up and go do this, just because it is apparently running through his mind that there could be a boogeyman hiding in our tub. LOL Just sayin', you never know with kids.

Actually I PERSONALLY do that myself! LOL...so don't find it strange that a child does it. My poor daughters have grown up to be ready for absolutely anything and are now doing it to their own kids! I feel bad that I've made them paranoid about what can happen to them in life, but at least I KNOW that they will be prepared for anything, if it should happen...God forbid!

 

[octobermoon]

actually i personally do that myself! Lol...so don't find it strange that a child does it. My poor daughters have grown up to be ready for absolutely anything and are now doing it to their own kids! I feel bad that i've made them paranoid about what can happen to them in life, but at least i know that they will be prepared for anything, if it should happen...god forbid!

lol

 

[cityslick]

It's things like this (the whole issue with the lights now) that make me think she's actually not involved. Hear me out:

An actual perp would try to do everything in their power to cover their tracks. They would say certain things to make sure they had a solid alibi. But DB doesn't do this. She says things that are detrimental to her. She says things that do not paint her in a positive light. It's almost like, and there really isn't a polite way to say this, she's almost too stupid to know how to cover her tracks. And yet here we are where she covered her tracks enough to hide/dispose of BL with very little evidence of it.

IMO, I think that is why she has a lawyer. It's because she constantly says things that are illogical. He's there to protect her from her own words.

Hey, I could be wrong and if I am I will admit to it. Something just doesn't seem right though and not for the nefarious reasons a lot seem to think (to me).

 

[natsound]

I think that for whatever reason, DB is sticking to this one part of her story. Perhaps it is because she has changed her story in the past and been called on it, so doesn't want to do it again. It's just like them both at first saying that absolutely NO ONE could have come through the computer room window and then now they say that it had to be the way the intruder came in. DB is aware because she has watched this stuff unfold that her stories will be under a magnifying glass.

And wouldn't you know it, the computer room light is the one light DB is now saying was on when JI came home.

JT must have warned them against the "intruder came through the front door" theory. They're sticking to that window theory like glue.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I asked this question way in the begining-And I 'll ask again- seeing the light thing is so important to Debbie now-If the child turned on the lights going back to his room,why did she not make that clear to everyone on Dr.Phil..This light thing could all be cleared up IF that is what happened..the child did it,but no one has even mention the child doing it...why!!!So b/c no one has mention the child doing it,I have to believe either Debbie or the kidnapper did it..
furthermore..I do not believe for one minute she has not ask her child if he turned on the lights going back to his room...please its only MO

BBM

So without someone mentioning to the media(or Dr Phil) the possibility of the boys getting up and turning some lights on, there's no way that it could have happened?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

She sure did. I went back and watched the tape. Now try to figure it out, does she mean 2 drinks and a sip of another and you are drunk? Or does she mean 3 drinks and hour and you are drunk? Why not just say 3 drinks an hour and you are drunk?

And last night you said that DB said "I found that 2 drinks an hour means you are drunk" So does that mean you lied? (BBM) I don't think you did, I think again it's a simple mis-statement but my point is no one says the same thing the same way repeatedly unless they are a parrot! And alot of what DB or JI has supposedly said gets put into the writers' own words.

Remember the old school game of telephone anyone?

 

[natsound]

It's things like this (the whole issue with the lights now) that make me think she's actually not involved. Hear me out:

An actual perp would try to do everything in their power to cover their tracks. They would say certain things to make sure they had a solid alibi. But DB doesn't do this. She says things that are detrimental to her. She says things that do not paint her in a positive light. It's almost like, and there really isn't a polite way to say this, she's almost too stupid to know how to cover her tracks. And yet here we are where she covered her tracks enough to hide/dispose of BL with very little evidence of it.

IMO, I think that is why she has a lawyer. It's because she constantly says things that are illogical. He's there to protect her from her own words.

Hey, I could be wrong and if I am I will admit to it. Something just doesn't seem right though and not for the nefarious reasons a lot seem to think (to me).

What has she said that paints her in a negative light that she is volunteering, though? She has to say she drank, because there are witnesses to that, and surveillance video of the wine purchase. She wasn't going to volunteer that information. Not remembering if she checked on Lisa before bed: That helps DB, because is blurs the timeline of when the supposed abduction could have taken place.

 

[SyraKelly]

BBM

So without someone mentioning to the media(or Dr Phil) the possibility of the boys getting up and turning some lights on, there's no way that it could have happened?

all I am saying is..Debbie was very focus on the which lights were on or off...she knows this is important to people or she would not have brought it up..why not clear it up!!Why not just say..one of the boys did it....end of story about the lights!!Thats my question..its simple thing to me!! I am not saying it did not happened...I don't see what the problem is saying ..yes my child turned on the lights...

 

[norest4thewicked]

It's things like this (the whole issue with the lights now) that make me think she's actually not involved. Hear me out:

An actual perp would try to do everything in their power to cover their tracks. They would say certain things to make sure they had a solid alibi. But DB doesn't do this. She says things that are detrimental to her. She says things that do not paint her in a positive light. It's almost like, and there really isn't a polite way to say this, she's almost too stupid to know how to cover her tracks. And yet here we are where she covered her tracks enough to hide/dispose of BL with very little evidence of it.

IMO, I think that is why she has a lawyer. It's because she constantly says things that are illogical. He's there to protect her from her own words.

Hey, I could be wrong and if I am I will admit to it. Something just doesn't seem right though and not for the nefarious reasons a lot seem to think (to me).

I do see what you are saying. But, going along those lines with you, I think that DB is not that bright, but she THINKS she is because she watches this stuff on TV and she thinks that if she says things that will point to her, that people will say exactly what you did. "Why would DB be responsible because she is the one who pointed to herself in this? She would never do that if she was guilty!" Sort of a mixed up reverse psychology thing. In other words, she has part of the act down, but isn't smart enough to see it through like a chess match.

 

[cityslick]

What has she said that paints her in a negative light that she is volunteering, though? She has to say she drank, because there are witnesses to that, and surveillance video of the wine purchase. She wasn't going to volunteer that information. Not remembering if she checked on Lisa before bed: That helps DB, because is blurs the timeline of when the supposed abduction could have taken place.

Has DB in any interview actually suggested that BL was taken while she was outside drinking? If she actually did think this, why is this thing with the lights coming up now?

She didn't have to volunteer that she was drunk. She doesn't have to say, 2-3 drinks an hour and I'm drunk.

 

[chastity]

Wow, I think everyone is just looking for a reason to believe that she is guilty. Come on, 39 pages of focusing on wether the lights were on or not. No wonder this family doesn't say anything, look how this light problem has been picked apart. I have thought from the beginning that they had nothing to do with this. That hasn't changed for me. I have followed this story from the beginning, and the only thing that has change for me is, I now understand why they don't talk to the media. This is rediculous. I hope the find Baby Lisa. and maybe we will all learn how not to judge. That being said, I am in complete agreement with all of you, she definitely needs some parenting skills looked into, she has a lot of problems in that area. I really don't think she has ever abused any of her kids, she just doesn't seem the type to me and there has never been any reports from anyone on that. My gut tells me these people had nothing to do with this and are truly heartbroken.

 

[norest4thewicked]

And last night you said that DB said "I found that 2 drinks an hour means you are drunk" So does that mean you lied? (BBM) I don't think you did, I think again it's a simple mis-statement but my point is no one says the same thing the same way repeatedly unless they are a parrot! And alot of what DB or JI has supposedly said gets put into the writers' own words.

Remember the old school game of telephone anyone?

But, it is a fact that the truth never changes...the truth...

 

[norest4thewicked]

What has she said that paints her in a negative light that she is volunteering, though? She has to say she drank, because there are witnesses to that, and surveillance video of the wine purchase. She wasn't going to volunteer that information. Not remembering if she checked on Lisa before bed: That helps DB, because is blurs the timeline of when the supposed abduction could have taken place.

Yes, she is just making (or was making) her "story" up as she goes. She even calls it a story.