Decomp smell **REVISIT**

[april_showers]

There is obviously so much LE is holding back because I've looked at the pictures from the search warrants and I cannot find any piece of KC's clothing that I recognize from the countless photos she took of herself partying or the surveillance videos from BB or the bank or Target. Where are these clothes? The outfit that drives me the most crazy is the shirts/shorts/shoes/do rag she has on in the BB video from the 16th. Was that what she wore when she murdered Caylee? Is Caylee's body fluids on them? Something would have to be on those clothes/shoes, right? Again, where are these clothes? I pray to God LE has them. JMO

Oh I hope so too! Like you said, just from the photos we've seen here it's evident KC repeats the same 'favorite' outfits over and over. There's pics of her in that slinky black dress from a few different nights out. It seemed like she wore that stupid blue Target hoodie she bought w/ Amy's money on almost a daily basis. Then there's that black tank top/jeans combo... and the double white tank tops... KC was definitely the type of girl who had her 'staple' outfits. Hopefully LE has them. If not, they'd definitely be aware of their absense.

 

[Searchfortruth]

The practical answer is that the State (and the judge) have to make sure everything is turned over to the defense in plenty of time for the defense to figure out how to deal with it. The State might be able to get away with turning over some minor things, preferably with a good excuse for the delay, a month before the trial, but a major piece of evidence turned over that late, with no good reason for the delay, would either not be permitted at trial or would result in another trial postponement.

No one has to tell anyone what specific questions they will ask the witnesses at trial.

If the Detectives asked one of the witnesses a question or two, before or after they went on tape, in the interview (Q and A are not included in the interview), would they later be able to question the witness on this at trial. I am trying to come up with a reason for some missing questions in some of these interviews...either there is another interview or they talked about some things off the "record". Just wanting to know if this is sometimes done...?

 

[AZlawyer]

If the Detectives asked one of the witnesses a question or two, before or after they went on tape, in the interview (Q and A are not included in the interview), would they later be able to question the witness on this at trial. I am trying to come up with a reason for some missing questions in some of these interviews...either there is another interview or they talked about some things off the "record". Just wanting to know if this is sometimes done...?

There is nothing requiring detectives to record every bit of every statement, and, yes, they could question the witness about the same subjects at trial. They are not "pulling anything over" on the defense by doing this, because the defense knows who these people are and can depose them if they want to know what the witnesses know about various subjects. For example, I am convinced LE went into a lot more detail with Tony about his 2-hour phone conversation with KC just hours before she was arrested. JB knows perfectly well that Tony has information about this conversation, and he could take Tony's deposition and ask him about it.

 

[april_showers]

I would be surprised, come trial time, if we don't hear from one friend atleast that a bad smell was noticed, on Casey's clothes. It would be hard for her to move the body, ride in that car and not have clothes that smelled like decomposition. In the interviews with Tony, I don't remember LE asking him if he smelled anything unusual. This would be one of those questions, I would think, they would have certainly asked. The absence of the question leads me to believe it's in an interview we haven't seen yet.

I'm really inclined to agree. And I do think this would be important testimony. Team Casey has been working all along to remove the association of that car with KC ("it was abandoned. who knows who had access to it" etc etc). Hearing a string of friends testify about a variety of situations where a smell was noticed would- though not concrete evidence - at least link the horrid odor of decomp directly to KC.

However, if this is the case, I'd be very curious to hear which of her friends would have noticed. We've already established that TL wasn't crazy in love with KC. He was already dealing with her drama, her night terrors, her clinginess etc. etc. There's only a few reasons (well, actually, one... ) I can think of that would make a 20-something guy stick around. And if KC showed up for a romantic movie night reeking (even faintly) of decomp... well, I can't imagine that relationship lasting another 10 minutes.

 

[BionicSurfer]

Synthetic decomp scent is used to train cadaver dogs. I don't know what the other uses for it would be.

Tuffy, you are 100% correct. The only use that I'm aware of is for training purposes. I'm assuming that a small quantity goes a long way.

 

[DotsEyes]

I wonder how GA could go to work after riding in the decomp car. Didn't he stink? Maybe he sprayed himself with Febreeze.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I wonder how GA could go to work after riding in the decomp car. Didn't he stink? Maybe he sprayed himself with Febreeze.

Great question...I hadn't thought about George going off to work, with the smell on his clothes, after driving Casey's car home. He had to take a shower and change clothes...I would think that smell would have stayed with him, if not physically, then definitely mentally. How could he possiby go to work and concentrate on anything after that ?

 

[Searchfortruth]

There is nothing requiring detectives to record every bit of every statement, and, yes, they could question the witness about the same subjects at trial. They are not "pulling anything over" on the defense by doing this, because the defense knows who these people are and can depose them if they want to know what the witnesses know about various subjects. For example, I am convinced LE went into a lot more detail with Tony about his 2-hour phone conversation with KC just hours before she was arrested. JB knows perfectly well that Tony has information about this conversation, and he could take Tony's deposition and ask him about it.

Thanks so much AZ lawyer !

I have been wracking my brain with this, especially concerning Tony's interviews. There are so many questions that I know had to be asked, it drives me crazy. Like the looong phone conversations with Casey during the "critical" time period...just "pillow talk" is all ? Oh NO, there MUST be more ! I feel better in knowing that all of the questions/answers aren't always included in the discovery...I can live with that !

 

[autumnlover]

This is an extremely interesting thread. Thanks, Brandy Marie for starting it. IMHO, the notion of KC smelling strongly from decomp is highly probable and could even be considered the smoking gun. This would include her hair, clothes, etc. TL could be the key to this. So could a number of other witnesses, including JG. I wouldn't expect the SA to release this to the defense until they absolutely have to. There is no way she would be able to explain this away. No way, no how, no squirrel.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Great question...I hadn't thought about George going off to work, with the smell on his clothes, after driving Casey's car home. He had to take a shower and change clothes...I would think that smell would have stayed with him, if not physically, then definitely mentally. How could he possiby go to work and concentrate on anything after that ?

Yes, that is a great point! It made me remember a friend of ours who has a company that does clean up work for all manner of awful events. Death is one of them. He told us about a case where he and his crew had to clean up a house after a body lay there for several weeks undiscovered. The smell clings to everything. GA would have reeked. I know this is not remotely the same thing, but think about when you go into a Starbucks and spend more than just a few minutes there. The smell of coffee is in your hair and on your clothes. Wouldn't a decomp smell be even more pervasive? Wouldn't he have had to (as you point out, Search) shower and change first? Yet that isn't mentioned in the interviews. So, what else did he do or could he have done before leaving the house? I still think that the As have told their own version of events and much more went on than we know.

 

[Brini]

Yes, that is a great point! It made me remember a friend of ours who has a company that does clean up work for all manner of awful events. Death is one of them. He told us about a case where he and his crew had to clean up a house after a body lay there for several weeks undiscovered. The smell clings to everything. GA would have reeked. I know this is not remotely the same thing, but think about when you go into a Starbucks and spend more than just a few minutes there. The smell of coffee is in your hair and on your clothes. Wouldn't a decomp smell be even more pervasive? Wouldn't he have had to (as you point out, Search) shower and change first? Yet that isn't mentioned in the interviews. So, what else did he do or could he have done before leaving the house? I still think that the As have told their own version of events and much more went on than we know.

BTW- There's been a series on ID Channel re: a forensic cleaner.

Pretty interesting!

 

[DotsEyes]

Maybe the first thing KC did every time she showed up from "work" to AL's apt. was to run to the shower and throw her clothes in the laundry. She was always cleaning. Maybe he smelled it on her and was like "whew! you need a shower!" That would be big. She sure showed up out of nowhere to RM's to shower one morning.

 

[cecybeans]

Maybe the first thing KC did every time she showed up from "work" to AL's apt. was to run to the shower and throw her clothes in the laundry. She was always cleaning. Maybe he smelled it on her and was like "whew! you need a shower!" That would be big. She sure showed up out of nowhere to RM's to shower one morning.

Good point - and there's the time she showed up at JG's early in the morning for a shower (and maybe to get or leave evidence). Wish we knew more or could re-interview peeps with our own questions. There are just so many!!

 

[MissJames]

Yes, that is a great point! It made me remember a friend of ours who has a company that does clean up work for all manner of awful events. Death is one of them. He told us about a case where he and his crew had to clean up a house after a body lay there for several weeks undiscovered. The smell clings to everything. GA would have reeked. I know this is not remotely the same thing, but think about when you go into a Starbucks and spend more than just a few minutes there. The smell of coffee is in your hair and on your clothes. Wouldn't a decomp smell be even more pervasive? Wouldn't he have had to (as you point out, Search) shower and change first? Yet that isn't mentioned in the interviews. So, what else did he do or could he have done before leaving the house? I still think that the As have told their own version of events and much more went on than we know.

GA's clothes were probably washed immediately ,along with KC's pants that CA washed.Just start a load before you go to work,come home ,add more detergeant and run them through again.........and probably a few more times as well.

 

[KenoshaKid]

Great question...I hadn't thought about George going off to work, with the smell on his clothes, after driving Casey's car home. He had to take a shower and change clothes...I would think that smell would have stayed with him, if not physically, then definitely mentally. How could he possiby go to work and concentrate on anything after that ?

I don't think he did. Didn't he work just that one day and that was it?

 

[Patty G]

I wonder how GA could go to work after riding in the decomp car. Didn't he stink? Maybe he sprayed himself with Febreeze.

IMO, I don't think George's clothes took on the smell of decomposition as George would have directed the air flow from the air conditioning vents directly on him to deal with the odor. Of course I don't know if the air conditioning system was working in Casey car, but chances are it was because it is hot in Florida.

 

[Reagan]

Patty, well it was raining when he drove home the car, so who knows if he had the A/C on... We will probably never know.

Also, I thought both JG and TL said that they didn't smell anything? I even thought JG made a point to say KC didn't appear to need a shower when she stopped by. So he was basically insinuating that she wasn't stanky.

Someone please correct me if i'm wrong?

 

[robotdog]

she had to stink, she stank


stankification <---- im not sure its a word but it should be


:laugh:

 

[strach304]

Wouldn't the dead squirrel be the defense's excuse for any smell noticed on Casey?

 

[robotdog]

didnt she have to take a shower somewhere... maybe someone told her "YOU STINK"