Dellen Millard: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

[Sillybilly]

I think you're probably right that it was partly MS's history that warranted the larger presence. But still, from your links, we do know that DM was arrested "without incident". And that a force of LE arrived at MS's house with guns drawn, according to the neighbor and I'm sure we all remember the pictures with the guns and bullet proof vests. That still says to me that MS's history told LE that violence was a possibility. We heard nothing about them even calling for backup when DM was arrested, just that he was followed for a few hours and arrested without incident. There didn't seem to be any fear that he would jump out of his vehicle with a gun or anything. Which brings us back to the unanswered question of why people would assume that DM was the "leader" in what happened.

JMO

We don't have any pics at all from when DM was arrested, so can't compare any visual of the two events. Also, when DM was stopped, LE didn't know that Tim had been murdered. Once they had the knowledge that such a grisly killing had taken place and believed Smich to be involved, I suspect they weren't taking any chances.

 

[swedie]

I know we discussed this before, but I can't remember if anyone ever knew the answer. Why would DM need to be fingerprinted again for the murder charge when they would have gotten his fingerprints on the unlawful confinement charge? Is there a reason why separate fingerprints would be needed for each charge?

I assume court files are separate for files/records kept at the police station. Also murder charges added. Underlined is IIRC what DP implied. MOO.

Leitch told the court that at some point, police need Millard to make an in-person appearance at the courthouse so he can be fingerprinted.

It was an odd statement.

Normally, fingerprints are done at the time of arrest. Millard has been in custody more than a month. In Hamilton, prints are taken at the John Sopinka Courthouse.

Outside court, Leitch explained that while Millard's prints were taken when he was initially arrested and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000, they were not taken again when the first-degree murder charge was laid a few days later.

The concern is that if the lesser charges were to be dropped — although Leitch says he has no intention of doing that — Millard's fingerprints would no longer be on file.

He wants Millard to appear in person on Aug. 1.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3839297-clairmont-so-close-yet-so-far-from-answers-in-bosma-case/

 

[robynhood]

I assume court files are separate for files/records kept at the police station. Also murder charges added. Underlined is IIRC what DP implied. MOO.

Leitch told the court that at some point, police need Millard to make an in-person appearance at the courthouse so he can be fingerprinted.

It was an odd statement.

Normally, fingerprints are done at the time of arrest. Millard has been in custody more than a month. In Hamilton, prints are taken at the John Sopinka Courthouse.

Outside court, Leitch explained that while Millard's prints were taken when he was initially arrested and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000, they were not taken again when the first-degree murder charge was laid a few days later.

The concern is that if the lesser charges were to be dropped — although Leitch says he has no intention of doing that — Millard's fingerprints would no longer be on file.

He wants Millard to appear in person on Aug. 1.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3839297-clairmont-so-close-yet-so-far-from-answers-in-bosma-case/

thanks swede for the link.. that was exactly what I was asking for last week...( think I posted referring to this " FINGERPRINTS"Police called him back for to court in person....not video to have his fingerprints...very much needed ..for evidence....IMO they obviously would ..completely test Tim Bosma RAM truck as reference has been made that TB was killed in his truck...IMO they obviously would need DM prints as I am sure the whole crime scene was searched....remind me of Tori case and how they only need a some piece of car material ...and forensic showed in court tori's blood on MR gym bag....yes another totally different case....BUT IMO ....important to show the excellent job forensic can do in 2013...robynhood.:jail:

 

[robynhood]

I feel I want to express my own opinion...purely my thoughts with emphasis on MY IDEA....I know this is a websleuthing site obvious ppl want to try and figure this out...very puzzling the tim Bosma case....a man advertises a truck and ends up killed..they find remains of a body which was body burned...BUT...I truly feel until this reaches court...the truth will never be totally envailed...question keep appearing....like why?....very very strange circumstances...again JMO....and JMHO I do believe what the police have said...Tim bosma had no connection with the acused....his truck was targeted!...there are 2 accused that will sit in JAIL reports in recent papers say until 2015!...my thoughts wow if I was innocent I would be screaming from the roof tops...talking...sorry but I do not get it again....JMHO...WHy would they both call reports to their Jails and say NOTHING>>>>nada...sorry but this makes no sense to me...PLUS I believe that all kinds of sleuthing can be done...spinning around and around but without anyone talkin....it shall remain a SPIN...again just my thoughts totally....the end...robynhood....love to hear others opinions...please?

 

[Alethea Dice]

I assume court files are separate for files/records kept at the police station. Also murder charges added. Underlined is IIRC what DP implied. MOO.

Leitch told the court that at some point, police need Millard to make an in-person appearance at the courthouse so he can be fingerprinted.

It was an odd statement.

Normally, fingerprints are done at the time of arrest. Millard has been in custody more than a month. In Hamilton, prints are taken at the John Sopinka Courthouse.

Outside court, Leitch explained that while Millard's prints were taken when he was initially arrested and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000, they were not taken again when the first-degree murder charge was laid a few days later.

The concern is that if the lesser charges were to be dropped — although Leitch says he has no intention of doing that — Millard's fingerprints would no longer be on file.

He wants Millard to appear in person on Aug. 1.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3839297-clairmont-so-close-yet-so-far-from-answers-in-bosma-case/

Thanks, Swedie!! :tyou:

 

[Alethea Dice]

WHy would they both call reports to their Jails and say NOTHING>>>>nada...sorry but this makes no sense to me...

rsbm

I'm not sure where you got this idea, robynhood, but it's simply not true. They did not call the reporter in to visit them. I posted the link to the tweets a few days ago here - [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9983365&postcount=774"]http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9983365&postcount=774[/ame]

Also, here is a radio interview with the reporter where she clearly states that it was herself and her editors who instigated the jail visits. They were simply told they had a visitor and, when they came down, she identified herself as a reporter.

https://soundcloud.com/#am900chml/molly-hayes-sat-down-with

HTH

 

[robynhood]

thanks for that info....Aithea dice...papers are messing things up,...!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

First: Happy New Year to all members and guests!

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"Dellen Millard says he didn't kill Tim Bosma."

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

 

[robynhood]

thanks for the " Happy New year " to from Germany!

...I have one question....what the heck do you expect Dellen Millard to say...?

...IMHO( I believe......) he certainly would not say ...Oh ya I killed Tim Bosma and I want to say In prison for the rest of my life...naturally JMHO ...As I have said several times here ....LET US ALL wait till this reaches court...JMHO ...I believe that the whole truth from the CROWN will not appear UNTIL COURT!>>>PUBLICATION Ban prevents anyone form this story reaching us...which is plain LOGICAL ...take care at least it is 2014 and preliminary hearings will happen I think they said Sept.2014...IMO I feel sorry for the bosma family as our courts take away to long.....and look at poor tori Strafford's family they still have to deal with the perv...MR...he does not deserve for his name to be mentioned here...IMO...appeal on Our COIN....sigh robynhood...ya y a ya just another case but man oh man....robynhood...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Robynhood, I don't expect anything, not even an interview. I only HOPE, DM would be not guilty and his friend MS would be not guilty. Who could be - I don't know. I'm always interested in news in this case, but found only this:

http://www.chch.com/millard-remanded-end-month/

Read the comment too!

 

[swedie]

First: Happy New Year to all members and guests!

:fireworks:



"Dellen Millard says he didn't kill Tim Bosma."

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

Well then that only means one of two things; DM is a liar or the person he was with murdered Tim. And of course we've all heard of numerous murderers who deny any involvement in someone's death even when the evidence is so blatantly obvious.

Then again, maybe, just maybe DM didn't murder Tim but instead instructed someone to do it. It's JMO but he comes across to me as a tad bit of a manipulator and control freak. Who in their right mind goes against their lawyer's advice and conducts jail house interviews?! If not his lawyer's advice, how about just shear common sense. Let us not forget, we have been informed DM is intelligent after all; shouldn't he have known better?! Interesting he wouldn't speak to investigators during interrogation but will speak to reporters, and why? Because he has had eight months now to go over the evidence and concoct a cockamamie story where he believes he can place the blame onto someone else. Let's just hope the judge in this case instructs the jurors of all possible charges including accessory after the fact if you kwim. Thankfully the evidence won't lie when this murder case goes to trial approximately a year from now. Here's hoping the judge is very thorough and leave no wiggle room for appeals. All MOO.

 

[robynhood]

Robynhood, I don't expect anything, not even an interview. I only HOPE, DM would be not guilty and his friend MS would be not guilty. Who could be - I don't know. I'm always interested in news in this case, but found only this:

http://www.chch.com/millard-remanded-end-month/

Read the comment too!

Yes I read the same article before posting my response earlier to you!Yes I saw the comment.<<<<same response is made>>>JMHO...robynhood!...again the trial shall tell all ...hoping...and DM can " tell " his story if he chooses thru his lawyer or on the stand....due to publication ban I personally do not think we will hear much till 2015 after prelinminary and the trial begins...I shall keep my promise to tweet in in here like I did during Tori's trial ...so many years ago...

 

[Snoofo]

Interesting he wouldn't speak to investigators during interrogation but will speak to reporters, and why? Because he has had eight months now to go over the evidence and concoct a cockamamie story where he believes he can place the blame onto someone else.

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Hi there. Can you provide the link to the interview you read? In the version I read he didn't talk to reporters about anything to do with TB, except the didn't do it statement. I recall he refused to talk about it. Maybe you read a different edit?

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[Juballee]

It is just me, or are the same people who were upset before that he wouldn't talk, now upset that he did?

 

[Sillybilly]

It is just me, or are the same people who were upset before that he wouldn't talk, now upset that he did?

I don't interpret it as anyone being upset .. just other posters having general discussion and expressing their opinions related to the fact that we were told he maintained his right to silence with interrogators but has spoken publicly with a reporter, albeit not about specifics of the case.

 

[swedie]

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Hi there. Can you provide the link to the interview you read? In the version I read he didn't talk to reporters about anything to do with TB, except the didn't do it statement. I recall he refused to talk about it. Maybe you read a different edit?

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Respectfully, may I ask you to clarify your post as it does not make sense or relevance to anything I mentioned in my post which you are quoting. Where did I write anything stating he talked about Tim to reporters? I never even mentioned reading an article let alone mentioned whether DM divulged or refused to talk about Tim as you are implying from my understanding. kay:

 

[swedie]

It is just me, or are the same people who were upset before that he wouldn't talk, now upset that he did?

In MHO it must be just you as I fail to read anyone is upset that DM talked to reporters. Actually I find it quite amusing and insightful. What I do find very interesting though is, when he had that precious visit by Ms. Hayes back in September, he told her...&#8220;I want to talk to you . . . but I just can&#8217;t,&#8221; And both say they want to tell their side of the story. But can&#8217;t. Plus The accused man, who marked his birthday in jail on Aug. 30, said that &#8220;getting a visit is so rare&#8221; and called this visit from a reporter &#8220;precious.&#8221;
Still, he insisted he could not talk. He has been incarcerated since his arrest May 10.

Conveniently, now he has had more time; almost four months since Ms. Hayes visit, and most likely more disclosure from the Crown to study and manipulate to suit possible questions asked by potential reporters. Great example being; aneurysm/bleeding from the brain. Doesn't one figure there would be more to the conversation regarding the death of his father then such a simple answer? Example;
Question, "How did your father die?"
Answer, "Bleeding from the brain."
Question, An aneurysm?
Answer, "No, bleedig from the brain."
End of conversation?
IMO I feel DM told people his dad died of an aneurysm as has previously been reported and not what he's claiming in the jail house interview of recent. Again this to me shows manipulation at it's best.
All MOO of course.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...y_they_want_to_tell_their_story_but_cant.html

 

[Snoofo]

Respectfully, may I ask you to clarify your post as it does not make sense or relevance to anything I mentioned in my post which you are quoting. Where did I write anything stating he talked about Tim to reporters? I never even mentioned reading an article let alone mentioned whether DM divulged or refused to talk about Tim as you are implying from my understanding. kay:

Okay then, and respectfully, what reporters were you referring to that he is now talking to, if not the ones from the Star in the recent jailhouse interview that is the current topic of discussion and the only reporters we know he has spoken to (asides from couple words to Ms Hayes). And what "cockamamie story" were you suggesting he has concocted in his 8 months in jail that he wouldn't speak to LE about? Isnt it Tim's death they would be questioning him about? Are you suggesting now you were talking about his father? Sorry but that sounds like back-peddling - maybe it isn't, but if it isn't back-peddling and you were referring to his statement about his father all along, do you have evidence he didn't cooperate with LE when his father died?

So far as we know he hasn't been questioned about his father since May, nor does this Court proceeding concern the death of his father. He is detained for the murder of Tim Bosma, not Wayne Millard.

In terms of the brain bleed, my best guess is that the reporter asked him why he told people his father died of aneurysm when it was actually a gunshot wound to the head and deemed a suicide. Maybe that's just the answer he is most comfortable with under that circumstance. His answer, to me, was satisactory and if he wasn't charged with someone else's murder I don't think anyone would begrudge him the right to not share the information that his dad committed suicide if that is what happened (and at this point the case has been re-opened for some time with an expert overseeing the matter and I haven't heard DM was charged with the murder of his father).

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[Snoofo]

I don't interpret it as anyone being upset .. just other posters having general discussion and expressing their opinions related to the fact that we were told he maintained his right to silence with interrogators but has spoken publicly with a reporter, albeit not about specifics of the case.

I wouldn't say upset, but critical of the move to speak after just months ago were critical of the move not to speak. I distinctly recall a couple posters here commenting that if they were DM and were innocent of the crime they'd be "shouting it from the rooftops" and specifically would have taken that opportunity to profess innocence to Molly Hayes in September. Now he is dubbed a big risktaker and difficult client for allowing an interview (even though he did not speak about the case, except took one opprtunity to profess his innocence).

He says he did answer LE questions when questioned before the arrest. Maybe he just clammed up when he realized he was a suspect, as I think we have all learned is the best thing to do whether guilty or innocent.

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[swedie]

Okay then, and respectfully, what reporters were you referring to that he is now talking to, if not the ones from the Star in the recent jailhouse interview that is the current topic of discussion and the only reporters we know he has spoken to (asides from couple words to Ms Hayes). And what "cockamamie story" were you suggesting he has concocted in his 8 months in jail that he wouldn't speak to LE about? Isnt it Tim's death they would be questioning him about? Are you suggesting now you were talking about his father? Sorry but that sounds like back-peddling - maybe it isn't, but if it isn't back-peddling and you were referring to his statement about his father all along, do you have evidence he didn't cooperate with LE when his father died?

So far as we know he hasn't been questioned about his father since May, nor does this Court proceeding concern the death of his father. He is detained for the murder of Tim Bosma, not Wayne Millard.

In terms of the brain bleed, my best guess is that the reporter asked him why he told people his father died of aneurysm when it was actually a gunshot wound to the head and deemed a suicide. Maybe that's just the answer he is most comfortable with under that circumstance. His answer, to me, was satisactory and if he wasn't charged with someone else's murder I don't think anyone would begrudge him the right to not share the information that his dad committed suicide if that is what happened (and at this point the case has been re-opened for some time with an expert overseeing the matter and I haven't heard DM was charged with the murder of his father).

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Could you kindly show me where I wrote DM didn't cooperate with LE when his father died? I think you may be reading way more into my posts than what is there. IMO it is more than back peddling; it's full of assumptions and accusations. I did not even mention anything to do with charges against him for the death of his father, but seeing as you have brought it up, allow me to suggest this. Regarding possible charges against him for the death of his father; just because it hasn't made it into the MSM, does not mean anything. The investigation may still be ongoing just as LB's case may be. Also with the PB in force, this could be why we are not privy to possible further charges. Again I will make Michael R's case a prime example of PB and further charges. The public was not aware of the sexual assault causing bodily harm charges against him until the pretrial hearing. Generally speaking, some cases take years to investigate. MOO.