Dellen Millard: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

[SnooperDuper]

Oh, Sorry, my mistake!

So, what you were suggesting is that anyone with some cooking skills would naturally be assumed to be better at butchering bodies, or is to likely own knives. I often look at cooks and pastry chefs and wonder about their ability to butcher humans, so I don't know how I missed that connection.

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Well for instance, HOSF1185 Fundamentals of Butchery is a first year, first semester course at George Brown in the Culinary Skills - Chef Training Program.

Butchery is considered a basic skill to a chef so it is likely DM had to take such a course early on in whatever program he was in.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Like many things in this case, just because we can come up with B, C, D, E possibilities doesn't mean that possibility "A" isn't the most likely, especially when that's how it is being reported by LE and MSM. SB and the other truck owner both explicitly state they arrived on foot. I understand the desire to try to explain this fact away, but it seems a somewhat quixotic gesture.

Well, they also reported that a vehicle followed them as they left and that LE were looking for a third and possibly a fourth suspect. Now we're supposed to believe that:

a) the following vehicle never existed

b) MS possibly got out of TB's truck at the end of the driveway and followed, leaving DM to take control of TB on his own while also driving

c) they killed TB before they got to the end of the driveway so that MS could follow in the Yukon

d) the Yukon followed on auto-pilot with no driver


JMO

Kavanagh wouldn't say if Millard is co-operating with police, and told reporters that police are still searching for at least two more suspects.

“Video evidence that we've now recovered shows that when Mr. Bosma's vehicle left his residence, there was a second vehicle following,” Kavanagh said. “We do not yet know how many people were in that second vehicle. Right now we're looking at at least three, possibly more.”

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/05/14/hamilton-bosma-search-kitchener-waterloo.html

 

[Sillybilly]

Well for instance, HOSF1185 Fundamentals of Butchery is a first year, first semester course at George Brown in the Culinary Skills - Chef Training Program.

Butchery is considered a basic skill to a chef so it is likely DM had to take such a course early on in whatever program he was in.

Not trying to tie this in to the Pickton case, but Willie Pickton grew up learning butchering from a family friend. I guess some peeps use whatever skills they are good at.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Oh, Sorry, my mistake!

So, what you were suggesting is that anyone with some cooking skills would naturally be assumed to be better at butchering bodies, or is to likely own knives. I often look at cooks and pastry chefs and wonder about their ability to butcher humans, so I don't know how I missed that connection.

SBM.

Assuming there is sarcasm above:

Yes, culinary school would involve some training in knife skills. And yes, someone who took cooking seriously enough to attend culinary school would likely own a good set of knives.

Also, saying "anyone with some cooking skills" is a bit disingenuous.

I am someone with "some cooking skills".

DM is someone who attended actual culinary school.

I'm not saying TB was definitely dismembered, or that if he was, DM did it with his culinary training. However, this IS a case where a man has ended up dead, POSSIBLY with his remains burned inside an incinerator that was possibly too small to insert an intact body. It is reasonable to discuss possible vocational skills on the part of the person charged with his murder that may play into that.

There's a current trial going on right now where a man killed and dismembered his ex wife, and transported her several states away via coolers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...riend-wife-start-new-life-Virgin-Islands.html

Dismemberment happens.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Nope, lived in the country 20 years and not once did someone leave their vehicle on the road (we sold dogs, cars, eggs so there were a lot of visitors from the city)

I would say backing out a laneway is a city thing: in the country you always have enough room for a circle at the top of the driveway and that's what people build in the country.

I think it is odd DM and MS chose not to drive their vehicle to their destination, twice.

Sorry, but I grew up in the country too and that simply wasn't the case where we were. Visitors to my grandmother's farm often parked on the road because she had a long, narrow laneway. If someone had to get through, you had to move your car, or to turn around, you had do a circle through the cow s**t in the barnyard. It was easier and more pleasant to just park on the dirt road. Not all areas are the same and not all country homes have large circle driveways. I just did a tour a couple of weeks ago to see all the places from my childhood and it was still the same. Still one long narrow driveway with no circle at the end except directly in front of the barn.

JMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Which still doesn't explain why they arrived on foot for the first test drive.

 

[Sillybilly]

Doesn't look like any of these folks had trouble driving up Tim's driveway:

http://wpmedia.o.canada.com/2013/05/flowers.jpg

Plus, IMO Tim's shop must have been behind the house as it doesn't appear in views taken from the front of the house. I'm sure the drive continued to the at least the front of the shop.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Which still doesn't explain why they arrived on foot for the first test drive.

Would you happen to know the address of the first test drive? I'd like to see where it is in connection to distances from various places.

Doesn't look like any of these folks had trouble driving up Tim's driveway:

http://wpmedia.o.canada.com/2013/05/flowers.jpg

Plus, IMO Tim's shop must have been behind the house as it doesn't appear in views taken from the front of the house. I'm sure the drive continued to the at least the front of the shop.

I'm sure friends of the family have a much better idea of what the driveway looks like and whether it's okay to park on the grass than a complete stranger would have. Just sayin'.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Sorry, but I grew up in the country too and that simply wasn't the case where we were. Visitors to my grandmother's farm often parked on the road because she had a long, narrow laneway. If someone had to get through, you had to move your car, or to turn around, you had do a circle through the cow s**t in the barnyard. It was easier and more pleasant to just park on the dirt road. Not all areas are the same and not all country homes have large circle driveways. I just did a tour a couple of weeks ago to see all the places from my childhood and it was still the same. Still one long narrow driveway with no circle at the end except directly in front of the barn.

JMO

But where TB's house is, there is no shoulder on the road (google maps). There is no place to park except the grassy ditch, on an angle, on soft ground. Which means to me that they had to park in someone else's drive. TB's house on the other hand clearly has lots of room to park or turn around.

On the bright side if they did park in the ditch they surely would have left tire tracks or some other evidence that they did park there.

 

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[dizzy1]

But where TB's house is, there is no shoulder on the road (google maps). There is no place to park except the grassy ditch, on an angle, on soft ground. Which means to me that they had to park in someone else's drive. TB's house on the other hand clearly has lots of room to park or turn around.

On the bright side if they did park in the ditch they surely would have left tire tracks or some other evidence that they did park there.

Absolutely agree, SD. We live in the country as well, nobody parks on the road, the roads have lots of curves and hills, and unfortunately people usually speed. The ditch is most likely quite deep as well, although it's hard to tell with the tall grass. TB's road is definitely not made for cars to park on, it looks hilly, and parking a car on the road so others have to cross over the double solid yellow line is endangering everyone who has to go around it IMO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

But where TB's house is, there is no shoulder on the road (google maps). There is no place to park except the grassy ditch, on an angle, on soft ground. Which means to me that they had to park in someone else's drive. TB's house on the other hand clearly has lots of room to park or turn around.

On the bright side if they did park in the ditch they surely would have left tire tracks or some other evidence that they did park there.

As we know from the MSM picture, TB's laneway now has grass on both sides of the gravel drive. Is the google maps view slightly deceiving with no shoulders? What if you break down? You're just stranded right on the road?

So help me out here please. Where do you think they parked? You really think they may have hid the Yukon in someone else's driveway? There is a driveway just up from TB's house almost buried in the trees, but I can't tell if there is a house back in behind the trees. And there is a quite open driveway across the road. If they parked in someone else's driveway, I would think that would be very suspicious to the homeowner.

 

[robynhood]

Honest question: Why would anyone go to test drive a Truck and arrive on foot?....not once but TWICE...It was done....IMO I would be VERY SUSPICIOUS!...It shall be interesting why BO was suspicious of them ...darn suspicious because he contacted the police...IMO....................RED FLAG goes up in my mind ...oh ya and he had a distinct tattoo....that said ABMItION...rol maybe that tattoo was on DM wrist to remind him to do SOMETHING WITH his LIFE>>>!,,,that is just my opinion naturally...robynhood.

I also believe DM's father was on his case to clean out that dam hanger...look at the pics it was filled with TOYS of DM ...JIMO again robynhood.

 

[skatergirl]

So you are ruling out that they were somehow already close enough to the first test drive meet up that walking would have been reasonable? There is often a need to respectfully not park on private property, all it takes is a sign that says autherized personel or employees only, or deliveries in rear only. How do we know that they didn't meet around the back of an industrial building where people would be unsure if public vehicles were allowed, and so, like normal people, they parked on a street out of the way of large trucks? Or that perhaps it was in a large industrial complex where finding the exact unit or door you are looking for can be a process in itself and they were wandering around lost for a while before the came upon the right area where RBEG was.

Some people like to walk, some people take the stairs when they could take an elevator, it is not a sign of guilt.

Seems obvious that the BO in Etobicoke expected those coming for the test drive to HAVE parked at the meeting location JMO

The Etobicoke man, who recalled a distinctive tattoo on Millard’s wrist, told police he became suspicious when the pair walked to his business in a remote industrial location.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ontacted-third-man-for-test-drive-police-say/

 

[cansleuther]

It was originally reported on May 11 that nothing out of the ordinary occurred during the first test drive:

Staff-Sergeant Matt Kavanagh of the Hamilton homicide squad told a media briefing Friday that a day earlier the same two men went for a drive with a Toronto resident who had a similar truck for sale, but that nothing unusual took place.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-man-charged-in-case-of-father-who-vanished-on-a-test-drive/article11877107/

 

[skatergirl]

It was originally reported on May 11 that nothing out of the ordinary occurred during the first test drive:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-man-charged-in-case-of-father-who-vanished-on-a-test-drive/article11877107/

Since May 11th was before TB's body was discovered, 'nothing unusual' could simply mean that BO was returned, unharmed, as in he didn't go missing for over a week, later to be found dead and burned. JMO

 

[Snoofo]

Honest question: Why would anyone go to test drive a Truck and arrive on foot?....not once but TWICE...It was done....IMO I would be VERY SUSPICIOUS!...It shall be interesting why BO was suspicious of them ...darn suspicious because he contacted the police...IMO....................RED FLAG goes up in my mind ...oh ya and he had a distinct tattoo....that said ABMItION...rol maybe that tattoo was on DM wrist to remind him to do SOMETHING WITH his LIFE>>>!,,,that is just my opinion naturally...robynhood.

I also believe DM's father was on his case to clean out that dam hanger...look at the pics it was filled with TOYS of DM ...JIMO again robynhood.

Actually the big guy ftom Etobicoke never called police. The police contacted him through "burner" phone traces as it was the same phone that called TB to arrange test drive. (The link posted several times already). Maybe at the time it was a little odd and not suspicious.

Also dear Robyn, where do you see pics of a hangar "filled" with these so-called toys? As I have not seen anything so full and cluttered. And while we are on the subject why are they "toys" of Dellen's but "collectibles" of Carl's?

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[robynhood]

thanks Snoof...correct..I forgot..

....BUT my point was...again repeating what has been said ..on this thread...Le have a lot of things they collected...

1.TB truck found in DM trailer ( many pics show it was his trailer ) and his RAM truck pulling it...I agree with posters thru out this thread ..I can not see how someone would OBTAIN DM truck with his trailer ...pull a MOST wanted RAM truck where a murder was commited!...IMO ..awfully risky Buisness.....

2.DM & MS took that same truck TB 's for a test drive.No denying they took TB for a test drive and he NEVER RETURNED alive.

3. DM burner phone was traced to have made that call and called BIG man ( BO)...BO told Le that the guys were suspious ...gave a description of DM tattoo.......and he has that tattoo ( AMBITION)...they did arrive for that test drive the day before to BIG MAN ( BO)

4. *SB saw them leave with her husband ( you can all wait and she will ID them in court...)..IMO.......

5.*Le said they believe TB died shortly after they left his home....

6. *wait till court ..video will be shown from the stores where they passed!..IMO...Police have the survailene tapes...& I bet tapes from DM mom's neighbours....IMO...lets see what /who is on that tape...court ..IMO...

7. burner phone traced the calls to TB and BO...Police reported.

8*wait for DNA evidence that imo will be found in TB Truck ...IMO and police think the murder was commited in TB truck..

9.....posters today said that it is believed that forensic should be completed...I guess we may see what the defense finally offers as to show their claim of INNOCENSE...

* is indicating wait till COURT.....

IMO STRONGLY DM & SM have some explaining to do....we are waiting....

Please feel free to add to my list...anyone....JIMO...MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...robynhood!

 

[SnooperDuper]

As we know from the MSM picture, TB's laneway now has grass on both sides of the gravel drive. Is the google maps view slightly deceiving with no shoulders? What if you break down? You're just stranded right on the road?

So help me out here please. Where do you think they parked? You really think they may have hid the Yukon in someone else's driveway? There is a driveway just up from TB's house almost buried in the trees, but I can't tell if there is a house back in behind the trees. And there is a quite open driveway across the road. If they parked in someone else's driveway, I would think that would be very suspicious to the homeowner.

No shoulders is standard on rural roads, and so is a ditch or culvert to collect rainwater. You can see, right opposite TB's place, someone has made a little footbridge to cross the ditch (access to a trail, looks like) so I don't think it is an illusion that the ditch is deep/steep.

Yes, if you break down there is nowhere to pull over and if you do pull over to the ditch you risk flipping your car. You certainly won't be letting anyone out the passenger side door anyway due to the angle (door will hit the dirt).

There's only a couple spots to park within a reasonable walking distance of TB's place.

Yes just a touch south and opposite of TB's place there is a home with a gate that has a flat lawn that goes straight up to the road...so someone could pull up there. But if these people could afford a wrought iron gate perhaps they also laid out for security cameras (there was one security camera sighting near TB's home) and certainly it would peeve them to have someone parking on their lawn (not polite!)

To the north there is a lot under construction with two entrances where one could park. It's a rougher access road than TB's, for sure.

Otherwise the road is shoulderless and bordered by a rather steep ditch.

It just seems to me that they would have first located TB's place, and then had to cruise around to find someplace to park other than TB's place. Parking at TB's neighbour puts them very close and in view of the neighbour. Parking at the lot under construction...well, that's not any better a spot than TB's driveway...if the looks of TB's drive deterred them then so would the site under construction's rough access.

In short it was just a lot of trouble to find somewhere else to park. And that's odd, that they made the effort.

 

[Blomquist]

SBM.




I'm not saying TB was definitely dismembered, or that if he was, DM did it with his culinary training. However, this IS a case where a man has ended up dead, POSSIBLY with his remains burned inside an incinerator that was possibly too small to insert an intact body. It is reasonable to discuss possible vocational skills on the part of the person charged with his murder that may play into that.

I somehow don't think TB was in pieces.... He was identified too quickly...

If he was in pieces and all parts were charred I am thinking the parts would have been carted off to the forensics lab in a hurry for a slew of tests that would have taken a while...etc.....JMO

I think imo he was charred...period. boots still identifiable and also jewellery, watch etc....

Did anyone find a meat cleaver, carving knife or large fork at the scene? Electric carving knife? Meat shredder ?........NO!!!!...not to my knowledge...so any suggestion of using culinary skills seems pointless IMHO.

There's a current trial going on right now where a man killed and dismembered his ex wife, and transported her several states away via coolers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...riend-wife-start-new-life-Virgin-Islands.html

Dismemberment happens.

As for the man who killed and dismembered his ex wife, and transported her several states away via coolers:....... I wonder why she was put in coolers if she was already dead????

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