Dellen Millard: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

[expat cdn]

Can cadaver dogs find human ashes? Would GPR pick up human ashes?
What if someone has led LE to believe there are human ashes buried in the barn or garage and that's what they are searching for now? I'm trying to think of why the barn would be searched again and what could have been missed the first time/s and why.

Was the barn searched initially??

 

[Sillybilly]

It definitely looks like there is an investigator entering the barn in this photo from May 28.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-police-resume-search-at-millard-farm-using-ground-penetrating-radar-1.1300426

Yes, it seems there was at least some attention paid to the barn in May, but at that time the search was for Tim, whose remains were found outside on the property, and not in close proximity to the barn itself. Then, when TPS was there wrt LB, it seemed they were very specific as to the area of the property they were searching, so that search may have been based on erroneous information.

The new info TPS has received that resulted in today's search seems to be pretty specifically related to the barn and/or garage, not the surrounding property.

I notice in today's video upthread, a police woman is seen at the back of the barn going up a ramp and through a small door onto the second level where the hay is. Maybe the first/earlier cursory search of the barn was only the lower level, not the hay loft.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Yes, it seems there was at least some attention paid to the barn in May, but at that time the search was for Tim, whose remains were found outside on the property, and not in close proximity to the barn itself. Then, when TPS was there wrt LB, it seemed they were very specific as to the area of the property they were searching, so that search may have been based on erroneous information.

The new info TPS has received that resulted in today's search seems to be pretty specifically related to the barn and/or garage, not the surrounding property.

I notice in today's video upthread, a police woman is seen at the back of the barn going up a ramp and through a small door onto the second level where the hay is. Maybe the first/earlier cursory search of the barn was only the lower level, not the hay loft.

That picture is from May 28th when Toronto LE did the search for Laura. The Hamilton search was already done before then.

I'm amazed that two different LE's searching for two different bodies didn't do a more thorough search of the barn back in May.

JMO

 

[Snoofo]

Yes, it seems there was at least some attention paid to the barn in May, but at that time the search was for Tim, whose remains were found outside on the property, and not in close proximity to the barn itself. Then, when TPS was there wrt LB, it seemed they were very specific as to the area of the property they were searching, so that search may have been based on erroneous information.

The new info TPS has received that resulted in today's search seems to be pretty specifically related to the barn and/or garage, not the surrounding property.

I notice in today's video upthread, a police woman is seen at the back of the barn going up a ramp and through a small door onto the second level where the hay is. Maybe the first/earlier cursory search of the barn was only the lower level, not the hay loft.

Are you kidding me? (not you Billy, you the World) Since there were hundreds of cops on task for days, they didnt do a fairly thorough search of the barn? I would think the second they were there looking for remains the dogs would be out. And the second time looking for a second set of remains they dig in a field instead of setting some dogs into that barn? Good grief, if I was in charge we would have found this stuff in May!:facepalm:

 

[Snoofo]

And yes first instincts are so right. This is drug related. TPS have been doing major busts for a year now.

 

[Snoofo]

That picture is from May 28th when Toronto LE did the search for Laura. The Hamilton search was already done before then.

I'm amazed that two different LE's searching for two different bodies didn't do a more thorough search of the barn back in May.

JMO

Could it be too many LE involved? I am floored. Unbelievable. Its not like they missed an opening to an underground shelter set in the woods and covered in leaves. They missed the massive frickin barn by the road. The whole time I thought there must be hog poop in there and poor LE has to sift through it looking for remains.....but nope.<modsnip>

 

[ArianeEmory]

This is not the first time LE has ever re-visited a crime scene, folks.

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[swedie]

Why would he be disconcerted someone was able to give a description of him, when he didn't even bother to disguise himself with a hoodie or a hat? He must have expected that there would have been a description of him.

A lot of country roads are paved now, and many of the paved ones are secluded, especially late at night, which would be when they were there, in my opinion. And they have many acres to drive back into, they didn't have to stay close to the road. I bet if you spent a night out on that road, you could count the vehicles that passed all night on your fingers. How many people pass by MB's house on any given night? I bet more than on that farm road.

Lets pretend for a moment that DM did steal the Harley in the trailer, or even knew about its theft. It was stolen in broad daylight on a busy residential street, why on earth would they then feel that leaving the truck in a trailer ready to tow on a residential street would be safer than in a secluded section of farmland? That's pretty ridiculous in my opinion. Also, anyone who has ever lived in the country and had friends in the OPP will tell you that in small rural towns, when there is a crime like car theft committed, the cops always pretty much know right away who the suspects are and where the property is going to be found. Small communities like that have a much lower car theft rate, that is one of the reasons why auto insurance is so much cheaper in the country. The idea that they might have thought it more likely that a thief would find it and steal it out of a rural field than a residential neighbourhood is pretty far fetched. And even if someone did steal it, and then got it home and found out that it was the TB truck, do you think that they would then call the cops now that their finger prints are on it, and tell them that they accidentally stole a stolen truck? It actually would have been a bonus for the original thieves, so that theory doesn't seem to hold water for me.

And the trailer may be larger than a burnt body, but if you have ever spent any time on any deep country roads, you will see plenty of vacant land and farm land and wooded areas with random trailers of all types, vehicles in all types of conditions and machinery that makes you wonder what it is. Often those things look like they have been there for years, and no one thinks twice about them, and most of them never get stolen, apparently. Again, I don't see them thinking it would be stolen from or even noticed at the farm was a realistic motivation for moving the truck. So what if a couple of neighbours might have seen a trailer at a farm, when countless neighbours were certain to see the trailer at MB's. I bet the neighbours had even seen trailers there before, like when some of the digging equipment was brought in, I doubt that they would have broken the lock to look inside.

In my opinion, the seat would have been one of the first things to be removed from a bike being chopped for parts. From what I recall, the bike was stolen 6 months before he was arrested, if it hadn't been sold it was likely because they discovered one of the many hidden vins that the owner had placed in it and whoever stole it could no longer trust that it didn't have others and they would have to now inspect every single part for a hidden vin, not worth their time. But regardless of that, if they knew that there could be hidden vins on it, they knew it could be identifiable and therefore having it around in the hanger if they thought it might be searched is ridiculous. It was in a trailer, how hard would it be to move one more trailer? And I believe the articles about the chop shop said that there were numerous parts with the vins illegally ground off, they would have known that those were illegal to have and could have easily moved them if they felt that the hanger was possibly going to be searched, that is only logical.

If we are to believe that he thought the truck was safe at his mother's because it wasn't his property, then we must assume that he thought that his properties might be searched, and therefore he would not have left a body and stolen vehicles or their parts at any of his locations, he would have brought them all to his various family member's homes. It could be that his mother had more than one property, why didn't he move the rest of the evidence to those places if he felt that they were safer than his own? I'm sorry, but it still does not make sense to me.

I don't think he disguised himself because he believed the BO or TB wouldn't be alive to ID him after the fact. Also he may have thought he wouldn't come into contact with anyone (SB) other then the victims.

Well Saturday eve when I was on that road, there was a pretty good amount of traffic. First time past it, I wanted to slow down to get a look but there were a few vehicles behind me and in front of me. When I pulled into a driveway a few miles up the road, I had to wait a bit for probably a dozen or so vehicles travelling either way. Also as I sat in front of the gate in my car, many vehicles passed by. No I would guess more traffic on that highway then MB's neighbourhood. Also take into account MB's neighbourhood is a cul de sac, residential area, not a through street.

Again, the trailer nor truck was left on the farmland because they had a purpose for the truck. They wanted it. To hid it on the farmland, it wouldn't really be hidden considering there were neighbours who may have taken notice to anything that all of a sudden show up. Especially when reports come out looking for a missing man and his truck.

As far as the trailer in MB's driveway, have you ever heard the phrase "right under someone's nose". Well I believe that is a common thing which happens when it comes to criminals and "hiding" evidence. They assume no one would suspect the evidence right under their noses because it would be too obvious.

IMHO I think in due time, we are going to be shocked by what we find out about DM. DM is not that squeaky clean guy some thought he was. I think he has a very troubling past with criminal behaviours. Time was on his side, but just for a time and now his time has run out; finally caught. All MOO.

 

[swedie]

None that we know of, but BQ was suggesting that DM may have told LE something about the barn 4 months ago. That is what I find highly unlikely.

LE says the search today was as a result of new information.

And not to mention SB the new information is in connection to LB...hmm. Me thinks MS is talking?! OR maybe DM is talking because he doesn't want to go to trial and have all this horrific evidence paraded in the MSM about him and doesn't want to pay out anymore monies than necessary for bad defense...MAYBE.

Not caught up but I did noticed that big yellow drum in the overheard video just outside the barn door. Wonder what they found in it? MOO.

 

[Arnie M]

....... OR maybe DM is talking because he doesn't want to go to trial and have all this horrific evidence paraded in the MSM about him and doesn't want to pay out anymore monies than necessary for bad defense...MAYBE.
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Doesn't sound like it according to DM's lawyer today .... he said DM has not been questioned whatsoever in regard to LB

Makes me think they have some other good sources (or plenty of evidence) and maybe just going to leave DM alone until trial and then lay it all on him at once ..

edit ... swedie .... I see you as much as said the same thing on the other thread ... (and I agree) thanks. AM

 

[Snoofo]

Doesn't sound like it according to DM's lawyer today .... he said DM has not been questioned whatsoever in regard to LB

Makes me think they have some other good sources (or plenty of evidence) and maybe just going to leave DM alone until trial and then lay it all on him at once ..

edit ... swedie .... I see you as much as said the same thing on the other thread ... (and I agree) thanks. AM

Waiting for which trial?
They cant question him about LB in the trial for murder of TB.

 

[Arnie M]

Waiting for which trial?
They cant question him about LB in the trial for murder of TB.

My point was LE may not even bother to question DM ... not how many trials he may be in. Hope that makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Juballee]

My point was LE may not even bother to question DM ... not how many trials he may be in. Hope that makes sense. Thanks.

In my opinion, LE have a duty to the people to question him, whether they think it will be a waste of time or not.

 

[Icanseeyou]

Quote swedie.
And not to mention SB the new information is in connection to LB...hmm. Me thinks MS is talking?! OR maybe DM is talking because he doesn't want to go to trial and have all this horrific evidence paraded in the MSM about him and doesn't want to pay out anymore monies than necessary for bad defense...MAYBE.

Or could it be a third party (IMO) could there have been a third person, and they have now located him/ her...and has this person talked? I am still a believer that this is the case.

 

[JPC]

At present the publication ban only covers details relating to the TB case. If the LB search were to result in charges being laid would it require an entirely separate trial and is it possible that one trial could have a PB and the other not have one?

 

[Blomquist]

At present the publication ban only covers details relating to the TB case. If the LB search were to result in charges being laid would it require an entirely separate trial and is it possible that one trial could have a PB and the other not have one?

PB only related to this case (TB)

 

[Snoofo]

Quote swedie.
And not to mention SB the new information is in connection to LB...hmm. Me thinks MS is talking?! OR maybe DM is talking because he doesn't want to go to trial and have all this horrific evidence paraded in the MSM about him and doesn't want to pay out anymore monies than necessary for bad defense...MAYBE.

Or could it be a third party (IMO) could there have been a third person, and they have now located him/ her...and has this person talked? I am still a believer that this is the case.

Jmo but I believe #3 exists and talked awhile back. While it is completely possible they added to the story now to further save his/her behind, it could also be a suspect #4, maybe someone tied to other related crime (drugs, chop shop) but not necessarily in the Yukon that night. JMO.

 

[Blomquist]

Doesn't sound like it according to DM's lawyer today .... he said DM has not been questioned whatsoever in regard to LB

Makes me think they have some other good sources (or plenty of evidence) and maybe just going to leave DM alone until trial and then lay it all on him at once ..

edit ... swedie .... I see you as much as said the same thing on the other thread ... (and I agree) thanks. AM

They cant just dump everything on an accused at trial .....everything has to be disclosed in good time.

 

[Blomquist]

Jmo but I believe #3 exists and talked awhile back. While it is completely possible they added to the story now to further save his/her behind, it could also be a suspect #4, maybe someone tied to other related crime (drugs, chop shop) but not necessarily in the Yukon that night. JMO.

I agree...and I think maybe more. Could be that someone knows that Dellen is innocent and is trying to help the case.... or someone is trying to offset the investigation as you say to save their butt.... so many possibilities.... :dunno:

 

[Snoofo]

Or maybe the investigation has gotten quite large and all the people in the know are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden.
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