09:57
Camilla Marie Nielsen
Then we are back after a short morning break, and Peter Madsen's explanation can continue.
09:59
Camilla Marie Nielsen
- Peter Madsen just finished what happened from 20.35 to 23.05. You say you showed her the submarine and you were interviewed. How did it happen, the prosecutor asks.
"It was a conversation," said Peter Madsen
- Did she use her phone, asks the prosecutor.
"Yes, she said she would," said Peter Madsen.
- Then you can confirm that some of your conversation was recorded on her phone and that something else was in her notebook.
"I remember that there was also a notebook," says Peter Madsen
10:01
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The prosecutor now says he wants to document from a correspondence between a witness and Peter Madsen on August 4, 2017.
"You have told that this witness asked to be threatened to be motivated," said the prosecutor, who shows the correspondence on a big screen.
It causes the defense attorney to break in.
"You are bringing the case to court and not for others, so why should there be a big screen when the court can see in their folders," says the lawyer.
10:02
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The referee now takes the floor.
"Digital development has made several things possible, and it is not unusual for you to choose that some of the material is being displayed on a big screen," the judge says, who does not understand the defense attorney's protest.
10:03
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"It's supposed to be right here and if it is meant that the evidence should be run on a big screen, the defense would like to know it, so we could do it too," says the defense attorney.
"I'll just take the floor back," said the judge, who stated that the big screens did not affect the court's treatment, but that it was a service to the audience.
"No, but that's exactly my point," said the defense attorney.
10:03Comment from Cecilia
I can not look any further than 10:30 so sorry if you've got the question before. How is PM today? Does he feel pressured again?
10:03
Answer from Caroline Clante
Hi Cecilia
He seems very annoyed - especially when the prosecutor asks questions. He often answers questions again.
10:03
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The referee allows the big screen.
10:05
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The prosecutor now shows the correspondence between a female witness and Peter Madsen. Peter Madsen has explained that the woman asks to be threatened by Peter Madsen in order to be motivated.
They write together August 4th.
'I tie you up and pierce you with a stepping stone'
"Then the hobby knife comes forward and I look at your throat ... where is the pulse ulcer ..", continues on the text.
10:05
Camilla Marie Nielsen
It is Peter Madsen who sends the message.
10:06
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The defense attorney would like to have the text in a context. And that gives the judge her right in. The prosecutor starts from scratch.
10:07
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"Can not you just give me threats to death, so I can work with this material," writes the woman,
'Just use your craze and keep your focus', writes Peter Madsen.
"You must be threatening Peter. So I'm scared and so I can do something, "writes the woman.
10:07
Camilla Marie Nielsen
For that, Peter Madsen answers:
'I tie you up and pierce you with a stepping stone'
"Then the hobby knife comes forward and I look at your throat ... where is the pulse ulcer ..", continues on the text.
10:09
Camilla Marie Nielsen
It causes the woman to send a picture of a woman's neck with a necklace that has a small knife as an attachment.
'Haha', Peter Madsen writes in response.
'You must get stuck in Nautilus', he writes.
"I have a (murder) plan ready, which is a great pleasure," writes Peter Madsen.
10:10
Camilla Marie Nielsen
- Can you see that it seems striking that on August 4, 2017 you write this witness, you are referring to a hobby knife asking for a pulmonary artery and that you have a murder plan ready when you're five- Six days later, accused of committing a murder in the same way, asks the prosecutor.
- Yes, with my eyes, one must say that it is absolutely absurd to have such a conversation and then go out and do it here. You have probably been inspired by this conversation in your statement. But it would not make sense to do that, says Peter Madsen.
10:11
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"But you have realized you're partying to Kim Wall because no-one else has to find her," the prosecutor said.
"But you mix two things together," says Peter Madsen.
"I do not want to share with the world that this accident has happened at the time," said Peter Madsen.
10:14
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The prosecutor is now committing to finding straps in a bag on the bottom of the sea and in nautilus.
"We've got an explanation from you and after we've talked a lot about these straps, I've been looking for a picture of the place where they're stuck," the prosecutor says, showing a big screen image.
Here is a blue and orange strap tucked in the left and right sides of a cabinet / drawer at the ankle height of the submarine.
"You have explained that they must be slid down from a higher position, but when you look at the picture, it is quite clear that they can not really slip away from anything?" Asks the prosecutor.
"I can not understand that question," said Peter Madsen.
10:15
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"At this point, thousands of liters have come into Nautilus, which has been rolled around," says Peter Madsen.
10:17
Camilla Marie Nielsen
- You can see that the area where they have been tied up is in shadow from the camera's flash. And it's in the high-rise, says Peter Madsen, who has previously explained that the straps were used to clamp a ladder from the front hatch of the submarine.
10:18
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"But you have previously told in court that you have adapted your explanation as the investigation," the prosecutor said.
"That's not what I've said," said Peter Madsen, explaining that he first told something that would hide that Kim Wall had suffered. (The explanation of the accident with the lye in his head was red.) And that he had to change that explanation after the head was found. (The latest explanation about carbon monoxide poisoning.
10:20
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The prosecutor asks whether Peter Madsen has attempted to adjust his explanation relative to the straps.
- It's like when you explain the first time, you get into things that fall naturally and make sense. These straps do not matter in this case, so I have not mentioned this straps, says Peter Madsen.
"It's only when the police are inquiring about them," said Peter Madsen
10:23
Camilla Marie Nielsen
The prosecutor would like to read from a previous explanation by Peter Madsen about the straps. It is recorded on tape as well.
The investigator asks in the interrogation for the two straps found in the submarine.
- What are they used for?
"We use the straps to tighten things and make it crawl, for example. bottles or toolboxes, Peter Madsen explains to the police.
10:23
Camilla Marie Nielsen
- What is the blue used for, asks the investigator.
"I do not know exactly, Peter Madsen answers that time.
"I'm not the only one who handles those straps," he says.
10:25
Camilla Marie Nielsen
- There are two things you've changed since this explanation. Firstly, that these straps are used to fix a number of things - but you do not mention any ladder - and secondly, you do not know what the blue has been used to, says the prosecutor.
- I tell the investigator exactly what the straps have been used for. I mention a lot of things, and a ladder is also material, says Peter Madsen.
- But why do not you mention that specific?
"I do not think about it," says Peter Madsen.
10:26
Comment from Gitte
Why is Jens Møller there? Is it possible to support the parents? Is PM pressed? I thought he seems a bit arrogant!
10:26
Answer from Caroline Clante
Hello Gitte,
It is not abnormal that an investigator is present in court if he has worked a lot with the case. But Jens Møller has told in an interview with Euroman that he has had a close relationship with Kim Walls parents and the three are sitting together. They also arrive together to the courtroom.
I do not know if Peter Madsen is squeezed. He answers the questions, but he and Jakob Buch-Jepsen have previously had some minor controversies when he has been questioned.
10:26
Camilla Marie Nielsen
Peter Madsen continues to say that he did not then put those straps in relation to the case.
- When asked deeper into it, I also expand. For example, here for you, says Peter Madsen
10:27
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"But we have not heard a single witness who has noticed these straps under the benches in the fair," says the prosecutor.
"But neither is anyone who has looked up under the benches. You must understand, Jacob, that these people do not know what's going on in my head or what's going on in the submarine, "says Peter Madsen.
10:29
Camilla Marie Nielsen
"When the nautilus was built, we made sure that the ladder could be removed and I had chosen it to be removed from the benches," the prosecutor said.
"But I wonder that you do not mention the rise in your statement on October 14 to the police," says the prosecutor.
"I do not think that is unusual. It may sometimes happen that you come to mind things after some time, says Peter Madsen.
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